Avowed - 6/10 GS, 80 MC

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#201  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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@sakaixx: I think that's astute reasoning, and I agree, yet through all of that we are supposed to believe that on a 100 point scale only 8 points remove the two games?

Hell, maybe I'll play Avowed and it will rank among my favorite games of all time just like KCD2, but I have my doubts to say the least.

When I go into it though I'll go into it like I do with any other game, and that's without expectations.

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#202 sakaiXx
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@WitIsWisdom: you should, just know some people have expectations due to what they experienced. Unfortunate but innovation sometimes does make old practice obselete.

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#203 WitIsWisdom
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@sakaixx: Oh for sure, I agree, but in one case we have the culmination of years of players demands all wrapped up into a game where immersion, story, lore, routines, systems upon systems and depth resound against that of a much shallower experience that plays it safe and doesn't push the boundaries to distuinguish itself from the competition and we are supposed to pretend they are comparable because Avowed is more traditional and closer to expectations?

I suppose if that's what you're looking for it makes sense, and I guess I can also understand preferring a streamlined experience in a game. What i dont understand is wanting a streamlined experience in an open world RPG.. but to each their own.

I don't usually dispute scores, mostly because either I don't care or the fact I know opinions are just that, but the discrepancy here just seems too large to ignore. It just feels insincere and disingenious.. but whatever, at the end of the day it doesn't matter.. lol.

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#204 UItravioIence  Online
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Not sure why Avoid getting a 6 is a shock to people. Are y'all new to Obsidian games? They've always been mid to low tier developer.

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#205  Edited By Saint-George
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@uitravioience said:

Not sure why Avoid getting a 6 is a shock to people. Are y'all new to Obsidian games? They've always been mid to low tier developer.

I can prove you wrong about obsidian using GS and Meta review scores....maybe best to add IMO to your comment kid....may make you look a bit less butthurt 👍

Chin up son,80Meta Avowed might come to ps5
Chin up son,80Meta Avowed might come to ps5
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#206 TheEroica  Moderator
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@saint-george said:
@uitravioience said:

Not sure why Avoid getting a 6 is a shock to people. Are y'all new to Obsidian games? They've always been mid to low tier developer.

I can prove you wrong about obsidian using GS and Meta review scores....maybe best to add IMO to your comment kid....may make you look a bit less butthurt 👍

Chin up son,80Meta Avowed might come to ps5
Chin up son,80Meta Avowed might come to ps5

100 percent chance he plays it when it comes to ps5. 😂

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#207  Edited By SolidGame_basic  Online
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Pretty sure if this was a Sony 1st party game scoring a 6/10, people would be trashing it 😄

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#208 TheEroica  Moderator
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@SolidGame_basic said:

Pretty sure if this was a Sony 1st party game scoring a 6/10, people would be trashing it 😄

Anything that scores a 6/10 gets trashed... Do you think Avowed is getting a pass?

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#209 UItravioIence  Online
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@TheEroica: zero percent chance

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@TheEroica said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Pretty sure if this was a Sony 1st party game scoring a 6/10, people would be trashing it 😄

Anything that scores a 6/10 gets trashed... Do you think Avowed is getting a pass?

If this was a Sony first party game, it would be breaking news on CNN and everyone would be talking about the downfall of Sony lol

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#211 Pedro
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@SolidGame_basic said:
@TheEroica said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Pretty sure if this was a Sony 1st party game scoring a 6/10, people would be trashing it 😄

Anything that scores a 6/10 gets trashed... Do you think Avowed is getting a pass?

If this was a Sony first party game, it would be breaking news on CNN and everyone would be talking about the downfall of Sony lol

You didn't answer his question😏

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#212  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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@Pedro said:
@SolidGame_basic said:
@TheEroica said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Pretty sure if this was a Sony 1st party game scoring a 6/10, people would be trashing it 😄

Anything that scores a 6/10 gets trashed... Do you think Avowed is getting a pass?

If this was a Sony first party game, it would be breaking news on CNN and everyone would be talking about the downfall of Sony lol

You didn't answer his question😏

Well, In fairness the industry has never seen failure on the level of Concord so it was notable at a time where game execs grow further away from reality.

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#213  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Antwan3K: Gee... I didnt see this one coming.. lol. Give me a break. I've played dozens of games like this, and I already said im planning on playing this one soon as well, so get off the mountain top with that. I'm sure I'll like it, and even if I don't I'll find things to like about it.

Not having the time or the money? I have Gamepass and I already stated I'm going to play the game soon... I'm just playing through KCD2 right now. On top of that I'm retired, so those points aren't in play here.

Sure, I love Metacritic although I only use it as a curiosity rather than something that guides my hand. It's hillarious how for years people like me were told Metacritic doesn't come into play here and Gamespots review scores are all that matters until that is no longer the case... lol.

I'm not saying the game looks bad, and I don't really care what other people rate a game. The eye check and personal comparison of other games tell me it isn't an 8, but I'll be the judge of that when I play it and I would love to be wrong. Perhaps the gameplay, responsiveness, and quality of life are much higher than they appear, and I would love for that to be the case. I'm just doubtful. I have heard great things about the game, but when the best games of all time score in the high 8's or low 9's and a game like this scores an 8 to me that means that this game pretty much goes toe to toe with them, and I'm just not seeing it.

I was extremely excited and hyped up for this game, but after seeing how lifeless and scripted it was i just don't see it being an 8.. that's all, but like I said a few times now, I'll be my own judge after playing it, and hopefully it's one of those rare games that can't be described without personally experiencing it.

Look, when I see NPC's standing or sitting in place moving about like animatronics that never actually walk or say any words without a scripted event and pretend to be talking, swinging weapons through environments, free ability to take any lootable item without the threat of being seen or punished for theft, town guards that watch you being attacked, completely stagnant/unmoving water while swimming or leaping from a cliff, enemies who get stuck in a corner looking the wrong direction, hiding in a crowd to de-aggro enemies who can't reach you, and the illusion of openess without most doors and buildings being accessible just seem archaic by todays standards.

Other games get bashed for those things but this one apparently gets a free pass.. Once again, I'm not saying it's a bad game, and yes, I do need to play it, but the grading scales seem to be off to me. Seeing other people say an 8 feels about right though most obviously means there is more than meets the eye with this one, which could be the case, and I've been wrong about a game before.

You think I'm trashing the game and I'm far from that. I'd love to be wrong, and I hope that I am, but immersion is important in a game like this to me personally.

Either way I would love for you to list some open world games like this that you think deserve scores below an 8. Give me some examples of things this game does better than other games like it. I'm genuinely curious, and I'd rather hear from an actual person than a review site. I'm not hating or bashing, and I'm around 65 percent through KCD2, so when I finish that I'll experience this game first hand either way.

you typed a whole lot to say "i'm making assumptions and giving opinions about a game that i haven't played yet"..

my statement stands as stated.. maybe play the game for yourself and then form an opinion; not the other way around..

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#214 Pedro
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@Antwan3K: Lots of folks love sharing their opinion on things they haven't experienced themselves. It is the nature of the internet. 😂

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#216  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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Whatever, it appears user scores fall in line with my initial thoughts. As I've already said multiple times, I'll play it and be my own critic, but the eye test says it will be pretty run of the mill. I'd love to be wrong though. Which once again is why I'm going to play it...

It's ok for people to have initial impressions that can change with hands on experiences. That is much different than claiming the game is a 6-7 without ever playing it. I never said the game doesn't warrant an 8, I simply said that unless I'm missing something, which I very well may be, it doesn't look like an 8 to me from what I've seen. I'm not bashing the game, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it to some extent.

I still have 40 hours or so left in KCD2 and then I'll get to judge for myself either way.

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#217 TheFormless
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I'll play it after I finish Stalker 2.