avsforum.com members are upset about Elite 360 not outputting lossless audio

There is a poll  in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio.  78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.

 I started the poll at avsforum,  and im really upset about this!  WTF is the point of  half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job?  I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing,  this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835

Anyone know how to hyperlink now?  I hate how they changed it...

I heard the same grumblings over at neogaf.

Than buy a stand alone HD-DVD player. Most people are getting the Elite 360 for games, HD-Movies and tv shows they will buy from XBLM and also IPTV.

Than buy a stand alone HD-DVD player. Most people are getting the Elite 360 for games, HD-Movies and tv shows they will buy from XBLM and also IPTV.

 

PS3_3DO

I don't have room for a stand alone HD-DVD player,  besides MS telling me "if you want lossless audio,  buy a stand alone HD-DVD player" after the fact that i have already bought a HD-DVD drive is just not good enough..

There is a poll in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio. 78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.

I started the poll at avsforum, and im really upset about this! WTF is the point of half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job? I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing, this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835

m3Boarder32

here you go 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

There is a poll in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio. 78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.

I started the poll at avsforum, and im really upset about this! WTF is the point of half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job? I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing, this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835

asdasd

here you go 

Thanks,  did you have to add in the html tags yourself?

Than buy a stand alone HD-DVD player. Most people are getting the Elite 360 for games, HD-Movies and tv shows they will buy from XBLM and also IPTV.

 

PS3_3DO

damage control.

Don't buy a standalone HD DVD player, Buy a PS3

[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

There is a poll in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio. 78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.

I started the poll at avsforum, and im really upset about this! WTF is the point of half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job? I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing, this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835

m3Boarder32

here you go 

Thanks,  did you have to add in the html tags yourself?

to add links, just Highlight what you want to be made as the link

e.g

msn   or msn.com or link

ypu highlight the word

the click the chain image

12 th  button on the lower level from the left.   5th button coming from the right

click it and in the "Link URL" you paste the address

e.g

LINK

I highlight the word

LINK click the 12th button in the lower level and paste the address of the target address

and presto

Than buy a stand alone HD-DVD player. Most people are getting the Elite 360 for games, HD-Movies and tv shows they will buy from XBLM and also IPTV.

PS3_3DO

The funny part of this is that if they didn't know that this was true, they would never notice.Quack_Attack

what is lossless audio?? skyvader

It's uncompressed audio.  And uncompressed audio is exactly what it sounds like...It has no compression whatsoever,  it's bit for bit exactly like it was always supposed to sound like..

Dolby Digital = Regular Surround Sound with up to 640kbps bitstreams

Dolby Digital Plus & DTS = Surround Sound,  usually 1.5mbps bitstreams

TrueHD & DTS-HD MA = Surround sound,  usually bitstreams between 3.0mbps-7.0mbps bitstreams.

So basically,  uncmopressed audio has a crapload more data

The funny part of this is that if they didn't know that this was true, they would never notice.Quack_Attack

That is ridiculous, especially for a console that has the option for HDDVD. The PS3 supports 1080p uncompressed video and audio.TrueReligion_

uncompressed video does not exist,  and probabley never will in my lifetime.

[QUOTE="Quack_Attack"]The funny part of this is that if they didn't know that this was true, they would never notice.Redfingers

audiophiles can hear someone fart a mile away. Of course they can hear the difference. 

There is a noticeable difference with lossless audio but if thats whats keeping you from buying a 360 or any console, you might wanna go see a doctor about getting the stick removed from your a**.

There is a noticeable difference with lossless audio but if thats whats keeping you from buying a 360 or any console, you might wanna go see a doctor about getting the stick removed from your a**.

pundog

Err,  that's the reason im not upgrading to the Elite..I already have a 360

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]That is ridiculous, especially for a console that has the option for HDDVD. The PS3 supports 1080p uncompressed video and audio.m3Boarder32

uncompressed video does not exist, and probabley never will in my lifetime.

Well the nitpicks will be upset, but the other 99% of buyers won't care. jd7-03

Please don't bump your own thread multiple times in the span of a few minutes.Skylock00

Even if they did this, they would have to make the console itself extremely quiet, for it to be excepted in the audiophile world.

We're talking to the same level Pro music Computers are modded to be almost silent.

Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.

Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.

Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.

gamers don't care.X360PS3AMD05

Hey we don't have to hear 'everything' do we?

Than buy a stand alone HD-DVD player. Most people are getting the Elite 360 for games, HD-Movies and tv shows they will buy from XBLM and also IPTV.

 

PS3_3DO

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]gamers don't care.tegovoltio

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]gamers don't care.X360PS3AMD05

Any home theater setup with a HDMI receiver would benefit from uncompressed/lossless audio 

Upgrading to a HDMI Denon receiver late this year, so this is bad news for me.

But I'll be getting the Elite regardless, since I need Gears of War.

Nice to know that PS3 has lossless audio.

I can only imagine how DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD will sound on PS3 games.

Kojima, make it happen!!!!!! 

Upgrading to a HDMI Denon receiver late this year, so this is bad news for me.

 

But I'll be getting the Elite regardless, since I need Gears of War.

 

Nice to know that PS3 has lossless audio.

I can only imagine how DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD will sound on PS3 games.

Kojima, make it happen!!!!!! 

 

mentzer

I don't think MGS4 will use lossless audio since I doubt all the audio could fit on one 50gb Blu-Ray disc. :lol:

[QUOTE="mentzer"]

Upgrading to a HDMI Denon receiver late this year, so this is bad news for me.

But I'll be getting the Elite regardless, since I need Gears of War.

Nice to know that PS3 has lossless audio.

I can only imagine how DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD will sound on PS3 games.

Kojima, make it happen!!!!!!

PS3_3DO

I don't think MGS4 will use lossless audio since I doubt all the audio could fit on one 50gb Blu-Ray disc. :lol:

Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.

Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.

Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.

Darth_DuMas

Last time I checked the only receiver on the market that supported that lossless audio stuff was about 1500 bucks. Then you need the speakers to show it off. Then you need a movie that supports it which right now isn't that many blu-ray or hd-dvd. You also need some golden ears. Its the biggest so what on the face of the earth. If people can't tell the difference between CD and MP3 they sure as heck won't tell the difference between Dolby Digital and Dolby HD. Funny thing about "tech" audiophiles...most of them are tone deaf in my experience. Just tech geeks who live to buy the latest gizmo. JiveT

DVD doesn't even support Lossless Audio. Plus no game on PC,PS3, or 360 have that anyway. BD is using uncompressed PCM audio, though with a lower sampling rate... so it's not what you would call true loseless. 3-4 titles with Dolby TrueHD tracks. FYI - This is a true loseless codec with bitrates up to 8mb/sec. This COULD come to Blu-ray, though it's virtually impossible on a 25gig disc with MPEG2 video. The Blu-ray camp has some serious catching up to do on the software side of things. As thedigitalbits.com's Bill Hunt says, "HD DVD is making Blu-ray look pretty silly right now."rexoverbey

Resistance:  Fall of Man outputs up to 7.1 uncompressed audio:|.  Uncompressed and Lossless are the same damn thing.  BD and HD players decode TrueHD and DTS-HD lossless audio and convert it to uncompressed LPCM.  Think of TrueHD and DTS-HD as zip files for uncompressed LPCM

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Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.

Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.

Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.

jdang307

The PS3 is a really good BD player,  but the ony site i saw make comparison was comparing it to the sorriest BD player out on the market,  the Samsung BD player.