Bad Company 2 = Trash

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Lol? Just because I dont want this game to bend over so I can hit it in the ass automatically means I'm bad at it? Ask Dragon he's already looked at my soldier page, my statistics imply that I am decent at this game. This past few days, I've been consistently pulling a 3/1 K.D with a SPM of 250 playing as Medic and Assault

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Maby you should try the ps3 version. No problems there.lucky_star

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Wow seriously? The PS3 version is worse if anything due to its exclusive bugs and the fact that less people have mics. Get out of my thread please.

Kimbo_Slyce

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Maby you should try the ps3 version. No problems there.lucky_star

Exclusives bugs? Less people have mics? Is this 2006?lucky_star

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] No, it's not that bad. I rarely ever encounter it.Vesica_Prime

There's a server filter to only find servers in your region you know. And you really have no right to complain, I live in Australia where the Internet is utter crap and I get under 100 ping.

You may not like the game, but saying it's trash is just asinine..

Also, if Bad Company is trash, what is Modern Warfare 2?

siddhu33

Bad Company 2 isn't perfect, I can tell you that. I think it gets a pass on its flaws solely because of core gamer's disgust with Modern Warfare 2. Lame.

Still, BC2 is an awesome game and def. not trash! Single-player, on the other hand, is absolutely trash :(.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]The lag IS THAT BAD. Unless ofcourse, you live in the same neighborhood where one of EA's servers is....try using a shotgun. Have fun shooting marshmallows.

Faber_Fighter

There's a server filter to only find servers in your region you know. And you really have no right to complain, I live in Australia where the Internet is utter crap and I get under 100 ping.

Which part of Australia might I ask?

My only complainabout BC2 is the rubber banding, it can get annoying but most of the time, I had so much fun with this game.

1. The campaign was awful. It was filled with so many cliches (explosive barrels placed everywhere, etc), plot holes and mindless shooting galleries. I couldnt even believe how Dice could have let this happen.Forgettable characters, forgettable missions, forgettable scenarios...forgettable game. Lets not even touch on how pretty much all the buildings were COPIED AND PASTED.Lol are you kidding? Only like four types of buildings? MOST OF WHICH WERE PLUCKED OUT OF THE FIRST BAD COMPANY? Wow...just wow.

2. EA's servers are god awful. Constant "rubber banding" occurs (this is when you take a few steps forward and slowly slide back or teleportto where you were originally, VERY FRUSTRATING and I have a 54mbs connection) ontop of the fact that your bullets only register half the time. Use a shotgun and you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll shoot someone in the back pointblack and it wont register at all.

3. If you plan on having fun in the low levels, then forget it. The last thing I'd call this game is an even playing field. I find it disturbing how people cry about Modern Warfare 2 being an uneven playing field while pardoning Bad Company 2 when itis the exact same thing. There are perks just like in CoD (Magnum ammunition = Stopping Power, Ceramnic Armor = Juggernaught, Explosives Package = Danger Close, etc) and unlike CoD, new players are COMPLETLEY SCREWED. All you'll be doing in the low levels is dying, dying and dying. Even if you're skills are actually pretty decent, you'll still be getting screwed over all the time. The starting weapons are COMPLETELY USELESS, except for the M24 for the Recon class.

4. Sluggish controls on the console version, the maximum sensitivity is low, assumablybecause Dice doesnt want you to witness this game's terrible frame rate.

5. Clear inbalanaces. So let me get this right, there is absolutely NOTHING overpowered about having tanks that can fire their TWO-shot-to-kill turretsINCESSANTLY with PERFECT accuracy ACROSS the map? Just destroy it? It takes about four rockets to bring down a tank (the engineer class is useless). Use teamwork? Well 75% of the people on your team will either be snipers or medics...what happens once you destroy it? It respawns four seconds later...

6. Oh and like in Call of Duty, this game has a magical knife that allows the user to lunge half a mile through whizzing shrapnel, stab somebody in the leg and kill them, all while getting shot at by 5x56 NATO rounds.

7. Shotguns are more effective then snipers. Putting slugs on a pump action shotguns allows the user to ONE HIT KILL people from ACROSS the map since the slugs are somehow not affected by gravity like all the other weapons. Dont believe me?

• Choose the medic class so you can heal yourself (assault works too to refill ammo)
• Pick a pump action shotgun as your primary
• Use the slugs "perk"
• ???
• PROFIT!

8.Just like in CoD the game features INSANE spawn camping. Look at Laguna Alta for example. You can go into thebases of the opposite team and just mess everyone up who spawns. Just park yourBradley APC outside and PROFIT because guess what? There's only onetiny narrow exit out of each base so if you're that unlucky guy that just got tossed into a game where the other team has capped all the flags, you're pretty much screwed. Wow Dice just wow. Another EXCELLENT design choice.

9. The game store allows you to purchaseDLC ALREADY ON THE MOTHER FLUPPING DISC. Nuff said

10. Team work in this game is an ILLUSION. I have no idea what you fanboys aresmoking. Watch carefuly. Watch as that Recon sits there in that bush refusing to disarm the bomb, despite the fact that he's two meters away from it. Watch carefuly as the medic refuses to heal you and insists on spamming his machine gun. Watch carefuly as despite being in the same squad and having the same objective, the two idiots who spawn on you run in the opposite direction, towards the tank so they can spawn trap and butt rape the other team to increase their K/Ds, instead of arming the damn bomb.

11. Pretty much everyone plays as the Medic class...or Recon. Why wouldnt they? As a Medic you'll have a gun that does high damage, fires with 0 recoil and comes equiped a never ending 100-200 round magazine. Oh and did I mention you'll have the ability to heal yourself and torture your team-mates by reviving theminfront of the tank that just blew them to smitherins and thus forcing them to die again 2 seconds later?

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

13. Only around three new weapons were introduced (GK, m93r, An94 Abakan)...and no, the M1 Garand and Thompson dont count because they were just copied and pasted from BF1943.

14. There's nothing to do once you hit level 22. Our criticism for Bad Company was that they should have increased the rank cap (it was 25 I think). So what did Dice do? They increased it alright...BUT NOW THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO RANK UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOODY UNLOCK FROM 22-50.

Any "lol u jus angry cos u suck" comments will be shrugged off. My K/D is 1.4 thank you very much. Not the best, but its better then at least halfof the people who play this game:D

Kimbo_Slyce

1-The campaign is bad, but due this is a multiplayer game, from a multiplayer franchise nobody cares/doesn't affect the game quality a bit.

2-The servers are fine, even if the browser interface lets to desire; you're mad if you really are currently playing in a 54 Kb connection. Also, the shotgun failures in hit detection -that affects all weapons- are rot related to lag but due the bugged net code. It svcks, but doesn't overshadow the phenomenal gaming experience, overall.

3-The starting weapons from Engineer (A-91, SCAR L)are the best ones. The starting weapon from the Assault (AEK) has the same dps as the latest one (M16A2). The starting one from Recon (M24) does the same damage x hit than the latest one (M95) but at higher rate of fire (better dps). Only Medic's M60 was broken, but was fixed months ago nerfing the rate of fire. Also, the best pistol is the first your unlock (1911) but all weapons are currently very balanced. Check the charts yourself:

http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/

4-Maybe, I think that playing fps with pads svcks, so I didn't notice any problem in my PC. Try the master race the next time.

5-Tank accuracy isn't perfect, the game has drop fall ballistics. And a tank is over with a single C4 charge or a single AT-mine or a single mortar call if doesn't move fast.

6-I'm with you here, the knife is a bit overpowered, but I'm lvl 41 now, with a 1.24 k/d ratio and can say that only 400 of my deaths -from near to 12.000- were due enemies stabbing me.

7-Shotguns are efficient at close range or up to 10 mts., but at mid to long range you will need to use slugs and still will have a slow rate of fire, and your dps will svkc compatred to assault rifles, smgs and lmgs.

8-Camping is more easy to counterstrike in a game that has respawn in your squad members. In fact, I find campers very tasty to my knife/40mm shotgun/assault rifles.

9-The DLC is free, aside from some cr4py skins. And some of the new versions of maps for the new game modes weren't finished at ship. If now are finished and they are freely available I can't see the problem. Better than to pay for new maps.

10-Your team mates aren't good, but isn't the problem with the game or teamwork. I noticed that you were talking about Conquest mode. I'll suggets you that never play in Conquest. Is a DEATHMATCH with flags.

11-LOL. Medic is a bad choice, always. The best options involves to play as an Assault or Engineer. I have as points as Assault player as with the other 3 soldiers together. And never play as a Medic since i max it. LMG's recoil and spread is far worse than any AR. They have no chance against the AR -not to mention vs grenade launchers in skillful hands-.

12-I agree. I liked lean, prone and selective from BF2, but overal BC 2 > BF2, which has too much spreading -bad gunplay- bad weapon balanced (PKM, G36E >>> all) and lacks in environment destruction and squad potential -only leader as respawn-.

13-Has weapons enough, over 40. Most of them has similar damage with some rate of fire variations, why you want more clones?

14-To reach level 50. I still lack 4 insignias, I'm currently plying for fun and to improve my stats.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]No this is 2010 and a quick crawl through all those prominentYouTube channels dedicated to finding bugs/glitches confirms that the PS3 version is indeed the buggier one. Are you seriously trolling that hard? Its a fact that significantly less people have mics on the PS3. Most Xbox 360 packages have been bundled with mics since launch.

lucky_star

I still didnt play the sp campaign cause got hooked on multiplayer... BF:BC2's mp is great and love it...

Hopefully i'll start the sp campaign too and see if its any good :)

If you think the starting weapons are absolute trash, you aren't playing the game right apparently.

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

1. The campaign was awful. It was filled with so many cliches (explosive barrels placed everywhere, etc), plot holes and mindless shooting galleries. I couldnt even believe how Dice could have let this happen.Forgettable characters, forgettable missions, forgettable scenarios...forgettable game. Lets not even touch on how pretty much all the buildings were COPIED AND PASTED.Lol are you kidding? Only like four types of buildings? MOST OF WHICH WERE PLUCKED OUT OF THE FIRST BAD COMPANY? Wow...just wow.

2. EA's servers are god awful. Constant "rubber banding" occurs (this is when you take a few steps forward and slowly slide back or teleportto where you were originally, VERY FRUSTRATING and I have a 54mbs connection) ontop of the fact that your bullets only register half the time. Use a shotgun and you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll shoot someone in the back pointblack and it wont register at all.

3. If you plan on having fun in the low levels, then forget it. The last thing I'd call this game is an even playing field. I find it disturbing how people cry about Modern Warfare 2 being an uneven playing field while pardoning Bad Company 2 when itis the exact same thing. There are perks just like in CoD (Magnum ammunition = Stopping Power, Ceramnic Armor = Juggernaught, Explosives Package = Danger Close, etc) and unlike CoD, new players are COMPLETLEY SCREWED. All you'll be doing in the low levels is dying, dying and dying. Even if you're skills are actually pretty decent, you'll still be getting screwed over all the time. The starting weapons are COMPLETELY USELESS, except for the M24 for the Recon class.

4. Sluggish controls on the console version, the maximum sensitivity is low, assumablybecause Dice doesnt want you to witness this game's terrible frame rate.

5. Clear inbalanaces. So let me get this right, there is absolutely NOTHING overpowered about having tanks that can fire their TWO-shot-to-kill turretsINCESSANTLY with PERFECT accuracy ACROSS the map? Just destroy it? It takes about four rockets to bring down a tank (the engineer class is useless). Use teamwork? Well 75% of the people on your team will either be snipers or medics...what happens once you destroy it? It respawns four seconds later...

6. Oh and like in Call of Duty, this game has a magical knife that allows the user to lunge half a mile through whizzing shrapnel, stab somebody in the leg and kill them, all while getting shot at by 5x56 NATO rounds.

7. Shotguns are more effective then snipers. Putting slugs on a pump action shotguns allows the user to ONE HIT KILL people from ACROSS the map since the slugs are somehow not affected by gravity like all the other weapons. Dont believe me?

• Choose the medic class so you can heal yourself (assault works too to refill ammo)
• Pick a pump action shotgun as your primary
• Use the slugs "perk"
• ???
• PROFIT!

8.Just like in CoD the game features INSANE spawn camping. Look at Laguna Alta for example. You can go into thebases of the opposite team and just mess everyone up who spawns. Just park yourBradley APC outside and PROFIT because guess what? There's only onetiny narrow exit out of each base so if you're that unlucky guy that just got tossed into a game where the other team has capped all the flags, you're pretty much screwed. Wow Dice just wow. Another EXCELLENT design choice.

9. The game store allows you to purchaseDLC ALREADY ON THE MOTHER FLUPPING DISC. Nuff said

10. Team work in this game is an ILLUSION. I have no idea what you fanboys aresmoking. Watch carefuly. Watch as that Recon sits there in that bush refusing to disarm the bomb, despite the fact that he's two meters away from it. Watch carefuly as the medic refuses to heal you and insists on spamming his machine gun. Watch carefuly as despite being in the same squad and having the same objective, the two idiots who spawn on you run in the opposite direction, towards the tank so they can spawn trap and butt rape the other team to increase their K/Ds, instead of arming the damn bomb.

11. Pretty much everyone plays as the Medic class...or Recon. Why wouldnt they? As a Medic you'll have a gun that does high damage, fires with 0 recoil and comes equiped a never ending 100-200 round magazine. Oh and did I mention you'll have the ability to heal yourself and torture your team-mates by reviving theminfront of the tank that just blew them to smitherins and thus forcing them to die again 2 seconds later?

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

13. Only around three new weapons were introduced (GK, m93r, An94 Abakan)...and no, the M1 Garand and Thompson dont count because they were just copied and pasted from BF1943.

14. There's nothing to do once you hit level 22. Our criticism for Bad Company was that they should have increased the rank cap (it was 25 I think). So what did Dice do? They increased it alright...BUT NOW THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO RANK UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOODY UNLOCK FROM 22-50.

Any "lol u jus angry cos u suck" comments will be shrugged off. My K/D is 1.4 thank you very much. Not the best, but its better then at least halfof the people who play this game:D

Ondoval

1-The campaign is bad, but due this is a multiplayer game, from a multiplayer franchise nobody cares/doesn't affect the game quality a bit.

Sorry but yes, yes it does.

2-The servers are fine, even if the browser interface lets to desire; you're mad if you really are currently playing in a 54 Kb connection. Also, the shotgun failures in hit detection -that affects all weapons- are rot related to lag but due the bugged net code. It svcks, but doesn't overshadow the phenomenal gaming experience, overall.

No silly I havea 54MB connection, get it straight. Yes, I am aware that all the guns suffer from this game's trash coding. I was just saying that the shotgun is the strongest case of this.

3-The starting weapons from Engineer (A-91, SCAR L)are the best ones. The starting weapon from the Assault (AEK) has the same dps as the latest one (M16A2). The starting one from Recon (M24) does the same damage x hit than the latest one (M95) but at higher rate of fire (better dps). Only Medic's M60 was broken, but was fixed months ago nerfing the rate of fire. Also, the best pistol is the first your unlock (1911) but all weapons are currently very balanced. Check the charts yourself:

http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/

Except the AEK is wildly innacurrate and has terrible iron sights and the A-91 has a tiny clip. When I meant starting weapons, bro I really meant like the first 3-4/50. If you get into one of those epic tank duals, you will surely loose, assuming the other guy isnt complete crap and that he's a high level (stronger warheads, more armor, shorter reload time perks, etc).

4-Maybe, I think that playing fps with pads svcks, so I didn't notice any problem in my PC. Try the master race the next time.

Haha ok I will...btw I was getting hints of Hitler and the Aryans from that last sentence hahaha

5-Tank accuracy isn't perfect, the game has drop fall ballistics. And a tank is over with a single C4 charge or a single AT-mine or a single mortar call if doesn't move fast.

Are you kidding me? I dont even think it has bullet drop. I just park my tank on the hill where the lighthouse is and I spam the select button at the base below (this is Rush btw) and then just hammer the left bumber to fire the turret. I usually get like 6 kills by doing this each time. When I think Im done, I just drive down and hammer some more.

6-I'm with you heh here, the knife is a bit overpowered, but I'm lvl 41 now, with a 1.24 k/d ratio and can say that only 400 of my deaths -from near to 12.000- were due enemies stabbing me.

Noob I have a 1.3 :P

7-Shotguns are efficient at close range or up to 10 mts., but at mid to long range you will need to use slugs and still will have a slow rate of fire, and your dps will svkc compatred to assault rifles, smgs and lmgs.

No matter how good your connection is, on the consoles, your shotgun will only register 1/2 the time!

8-Camping is more easy to counterstrike in a game that has respawn in your squad members. In fact, I find campers very tasty to my knife/40mm shotgun/assault rifles.

I was actually referring to spawn trapping. If you cap all the flags on conquest, the other team will be forced to spawn at their bases. Unlike in Rush, they arent cordoned off so you can easily infiltrate it and just butt rape everyone who spawns. On like half of the maps, there is a bottle neck to leave the bases.

9-The DLC is free, aside from some cr4py skins. And some of the new versions of maps for the new game modes weren't finished at ship. If now are finished and they are freely available I can't see the problem. Better than to pay for new maps.

10-Your team mates aren't good, but isn't the problem with the game or teamwork. I noticed that you were talking about Conquest mode. I'll suggets you that never play in Conquest. Is a DEATHMATCH with flags.

I was also talking about Rush. Snipers NEVER defend/attack the objective even if it is in their immediate vicinity. Watch in disgust, Rush at that one map called something Canal. They all rush to the back of the map at the town so they can climb those rocks and jump on the trees. Even if the bomb is armed (its not far away from their position), they wont even bother to disarm it or kill anyone getting in that small annex.

11-LOL. Medic is a bad choice, always. The best options involves to play as an Assault or Engineer. I have as points as Assault player as with the other 3 soldiers together. And never play as a Medic since i max it. LMG's recoil and spread is far worse than any AR. They have no chance against the AR -not to mention vs grenade launchers in skillful hands-.

Are you kidding? Have you EVER used the MG3? I can rape people who use SMGs in CQC, I can snipe snipers and I have no trouble taking out you guys using assault rifles. Plus if I feel that you might beat me, I'll just run behind a big ass rock and throw down a medkit.

12-I agree. I liked lean, prone and selective from BF2, but overal BC 2 > BF2, which has too much spreading -bad gunplay- bad weapon balanced (PKM, G36E >>> all) and lacks in environment destruction and squad potential -only leader as respawn-.

Environemental destruction is an annoying gimmick and I would have prefered this game without it. Only squad leader spawning WAS MUCH BETTER.

13-Has weapons enough, over 40. Most of them has similar damage with some rate of fire variations, why you want more clones?

Who said I wanted clones? Look at Modern Warfare 2. There are like what? A dozen assault rifles yet they are all quite different from another. They could have had some semi-auto assault rifles (EBR doesnt count), battle rifles, ye ol TAR 21, etc. SMGS, we didnt have an MP5, Kriss Vector, etc. They could have definately had more weapons. Even if they are quite similar, it would have definately been benificial towards this game's longevity.

14-To reach level 50. I still lack 4 insignias, I'm currently plying for fun and to improve my stats.

This rubber banding, teleporting, etc. only started getting bad for me right around the time that they came out with the newest patch. Funny thing is it fixed things I hated previously but added these issues which in most cases make the game unplayable for me. It's a damn shame too because I really have a blast playing this game with my friends -- when it works.

EA servers are the absolute worst. I thought the campaign was fun and the multiplayer I had no problems with other than lag. Getting the new download content today if it comes out.

This rubber banding, teleporting, etc. only started getting bad for me right around the time that they came out with the newest patch. Funny thing is it fixed things I hated previously but added these issues which in most cases make the game unplayable for me. It's a damn shame too because I really have a blast playing this game with my friends -- when it works.

KingTuttle

Maybe your not very good at it. When i first started i didn't like it but soon as i learned the ropes, as its kinda different then a lot of games, i began to love it.Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] I guess I'm getting lucky, When I play BFBC2 ON MY PS3, there are no more bugs than the 360 version and I find people with mics. Kimbo_Slyce

I stopped playing the PC version a few months, I mean it is a great game and all but in the end it is still a console centric game so I'm waiting until BF3 comes along to play a real Battlefield game.xXDrPainXx

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] I guess I'm getting lucky, When I play BFBC2 ON MY PS3, there are no more bugs than the 360 version and I find people with mics. Kimbo_Slyce

Ugh, I hate BFBC2 with a passion. I've purchased this game twice and sold both copies. I don't simply find the game fun at all. I prefer MW2.

BFBC2 maps are too big for so little players. Weapon models look like toys. You can't prone.

I don't see whats so enjoyable about it.

:(

Ok ok I was over-exaggerating. I'm actually enjoying this game. But some of you guys are parading around the place and acting as if its the best damn thing that has happened to shooters, all while ignoring its glaring flaws.

Kimbo_Slyce

Everyone is looking for a COD killer and this game appointed itself the COD killer so people just joined in along with it. The game is less balanced than Modern Warfail but nobody will admit it.

Also, the lag is ridiculous. Games like Gears of War 2 got bashed for being laggy, but this garbage gets called the king of FPS.

It's downright insulting that gaming has become about fanboyism and constant need to one-up. Just play the f***** games and stop with the nonsense already..

Ugh, I hate BFBC2 with a passion. I've purchased this game twice and sold both copies. I don't simply find the game fun at all. I prefer MW2.

BFBC2 maps are too big for so little players. Weapon models look like toys. You can't prone.

I don't see whats so enjoyable about it.

:(

roflumadkid

I really was let down by this game too, and the main campaigne was abysmal. They completly changed Haggard and Sarge, Marlow talked to much, the story was less entertaining. Also the online felt worse then the irst to me.

I really was let down by this game too, and the main campaigne was abysmal. They completly changed Haggard and Sarge, Marlow talked to much, the story was less entertaining. Also the online felt worse then the irst to me.

Mercenary848

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

I really was let down by this game too, and the main campaigne was abysmal. They completly changed Haggard and Sarge, Marlow talked to much, the story was less entertaining. Also the online felt worse then the irst to me.

Kimbo_Slyce

I do miss the surf music, but Marlowe spent the majority of the game complaining about not shooting one guy.

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

I really was let down by this game too, and the main campaigne was abysmal. They completly changed Haggard and Sarge, Marlow talked to much, the story was less entertaining. Also the online felt worse then the irst to me.

Mercenary848

I do miss the surf music, but Marlowe spent the majority of the game complaining about not shooting one guy.

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Preston yet again said nothing, they did away with the happy face grenade, the "jazzy music" and what thepluck happened to the antagonist from the first game? He's return is hinted atbut he's not even mention in BC2...wow

Kimbo_Slyce

I do miss the surf music, but Marlowe spent the majority of the game complaining about not shooting one guy.

In the sequel he talks a lot more, did you finish the campaign. He was in every conversation even telling Haggard and Sweetwater to be quiet.

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

I do miss the surf music, but Marlowe spent the majority of the game complaining about not shooting one guy.

Mercenary848

In the sequel he talks a lot more, did you finish the campaign. He was in every conversation even telling Haggard and Sweetwater to be quiet.

@Kimbo_Slyce:

I was reading again your post and your answers to my responses and I think that some of your statements fall in the "opinion" category. Not much to argue about tastes or personal preferences, but some of your words are wrong:

1) Weapons: I can only find 54 weapons in MW2, whereas BC 2 seems to have 52 not counting the ones from vehicles. The advantage in BC2 is clear, especially once you factor that BC 2 has over a dozen of vehicles, some of them with ever secondary or tertiary fire modes –ex.: the Apache-. There's not a notable difference in terms of numbers of infantry weapons: MW 2 has more shotguns, BC 2 has more LMGs and SMGs, so basically is a draw… until you count the vehicles:

http://www.modernwarfare247.com/weapons

http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/

2) AKS has a bit less spread than M16A2 and a bit more recoil –without zoom, with the zoom his recoil is lower-. My point is that you argued that the initial weapons are worse than the latest unlockable ones, but so far this is false: some weapons fit better to some kind of gunplay to some players, but the first weapon I reached platinum –currently I have 9 platinum stars- was the XM8 from assault **** which is the first one you unlock. The same with the SCAR-L –Engineer- and the M1911 pistol. So most of weapons are well balanced ant to choose one of them is matter about if you like more full auto or 2 or 3 burst shot, but doesn't hurt the starting players in any way.

3) The squad system is way better now than in BF 2. In BF 2 a leader killed means that you must respawn in base under the the spawn killers sight, and to walk/drive a long way up to your objectives. With 3 teammates to respawn and being able to see his environment the game is more tactical and flexible. You gain resources.

4) Tanks shots drops with distance, so does also the sniper rifle shots. Here is the chart:

And as I said tanks aren't a problem: my AT-mines reached platinum status far time ago; I'm currently over 750 kills with AT-mines –and growing-:

http://bfbcs.com/stats_pc/Buran_grey

5) Medics aren't overpowered at all. In fact, they are brutally downgrade versions of BF2 medics, in which were godlike: the best assault rifle in the game (G36E, most accurate AR in BF2 with a insta-kill 3 round burst -34 dmg x round-), health packs that recover your full life instantly… Now they are not longer capable of instantly refill his health amd they have as main weapons LMG, that can't stand at short range against shotguns or knifes or at mid to long range against assault rifles –the weakest AR has bigger dps than any LMG, wich better spray and recoil- or sniper rifles. As I said, once I maxed the medic soldiers unlocking his stuff I didn't play as medic again. Notice in my stats that I almost never play using vehicles, sniper rifles or medics, and even playing mainly as assault, engineer or close combat recon I had no problems to beat vehicles and keeping my k/d over 1 : 1.

you disliking a game =/= bad game

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]The guy has absolutely no personality, no sympathy from the player. When I booted up BC2 I was suprised that there was a "fourth guy".I remembered the loud mouthed hick, the nerd with the high pitched voice and the stereotypical black sargeant: but not the square jawed white guy who you played as. He's that transparent.

Kimbo_Slyce

In the sequel he talks a lot more, did you finish the campaign. He was in every conversation even telling Haggard and Sweetwater to be quiet.

hmm

I agree with you actually, it's nowhere near as great as everyone makes out and as far as I'm concerned it has the worst PC controls in the history of ever. "Hey PC players, why do you play with a mouse and keyboard?" "Because the mouse lets us aim quicker and more accurately than a controller" "Oh that's cool to know we'll ignore that and make it so you have to actually pick up your mouse and move it back to its starting position to turn all the way around, and we've made it so that when you aim you magically aim at a normal speed, so if you turn the sensitivity up it's impossible to aim without your gun flying around the screen!!!" I don't care if the sluggish controls make it more realistic, which they don't they're ******* terrible and anytime I try and play the game they just end up annoying me, even if I have a great game they still annoy me. And the one thing that could make that less annoying is controller support, which for some reason they've never put in the game, but they have joystick support for the 15 people who use it to fly helicopters...bobbetybob

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I agree with you actually, it's nowhere near as great as everyone makes out and as far as I'm concerned it has the worst PC controls in the history of ever. "Hey PC players, why do you play with a mouse and keyboard?" "Because the mouse lets us aim quicker and more accurately than a controller" "Oh that's cool to know we'll ignore that and make it so you have to actually pick up your mouse and move it back to its starting position to turn all the way around, and we've made it so that when you aim you magically aim at a normal speed, so if you turn the sensitivity up it's impossible to aim without your gun flying around the screen!!!" I don't care if the sluggish controls make it more realistic, which they don't they're ******* terrible and anytime I try and play the game they just end up annoying me, even if I have a great game they still annoy me. And the one thing that could make that less annoying is controller support, which for some reason they've never put in the game, but they have joystick support for the 15 people who use it to fly helicopters...Kimbo_Slyce

I don't think it's BC2 that's sucking. Your stats aren't exactly those of an exceptional player.

1. The campaign was awful. It was filled with so many cliches (explosive barrels placed everywhere, etc), plot holes and mindless shooting galleries. I couldnt even believe how Dice could have let this happen.Forgettable characters, forgettable missions, forgettable scenarios...forgettable game. Lets not even touch on how pretty much all the buildings were COPIED AND PASTED.Lol are you kidding? Only like four types of buildings? MOST OF WHICH WERE PLUCKED OUT OF THE FIRST BAD COMPANY? Wow...just wow.

2. EA's servers are god awful. Constant "rubber banding" occurs (this is when you take a few steps forward and slowly slide back or teleportto where you were originally, VERY FRUSTRATING and I have a 54mbs connection) ontop of the fact that your bullets only register half the time. Use a shotgun and you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll shoot someone in the back pointblack and it wont register at all.

3. If you plan on having fun in the low levels, then forget it. The last thing I'd call this game is an even playing field. I find it disturbing how people cry about Modern Warfare 2 being an uneven playing field while pardoning Bad Company 2 when itis the exact same thing. There are perks just like in CoD (Magnum ammunition = Stopping Power, Ceramnic Armor = Juggernaught, Explosives Package = Danger Close, etc) and unlike CoD, new players are COMPLETLEY SCREWED. All you'll be doing in the low levels is dying, dying and dying. Even if you're skills are actually pretty decent, you'll still be getting screwed over all the time. The starting weapons are COMPLETELY USELESS, except for the M24 for the Recon class.

4. Sluggish controls on the console version, the maximum sensitivity is low, assumablybecause Dice doesnt want you to witness this game's terrible frame rate.

5. Clear inbalanaces. So let me get this right, there is absolutely NOTHING overpowered about having tanks that can fire their TWO-shot-to-kill turretsINCESSANTLY with PERFECT accuracy ACROSS the map? Just destroy it? It takes about four rockets to bring down a tank (the engineer class is useless). Use teamwork? Well 75% of the people on your team will either be snipers or medics...what happens once you destroy it? It respawns four seconds later...

6. Oh and like in Call of Duty, this game has a magical knife that allows the user to lunge half a mile through whizzing shrapnel, stab somebody in the leg and kill them, all while getting shot at by 5x56 NATO rounds.

7. Shotguns are more effective then snipers. Putting slugs on a pump action shotguns allows the user to ONE HIT KILL people from ACROSS the map since the slugs are somehow not affected by gravity like all the other weapons. Dont believe me?

• Choose the medic class so you can heal yourself (assault works too to refill ammo)
• Pick a pump action shotgun as your primary
• Use the slugs "perk"
• ???
• PROFIT!

8.Just like in CoD the game features INSANE spawn camping. Look at Laguna Alta for example. You can go into thebases of the opposite team and just mess everyone up who spawns. Just park yourBradley APC outside and PROFIT because guess what? There's only onetiny narrow exit out of each base so if you're that unlucky guy that just got tossed into a game where the other team has capped all the flags, you're pretty much screwed. Wow Dice just wow. Another EXCELLENT design choice.

9. The game store allows you to purchaseDLC ALREADY ON THE MOTHER FLUPPING DISC. Nuff said

10. Team work in this game is an ILLUSION. I have no idea what you fanboys aresmoking. Watch carefuly. Watch as that Recon sits there in that bush refusing to disarm the bomb, despite the fact that he's two meters away from it. Watch carefuly as the medic refuses to heal you and insists on spamming his machine gun. Watch carefuly as despite being in the same squad and having the same objective, the two idiots who spawn on you run in the opposite direction, towards the tank so they can spawn trap and butt rape the other team to increase their K/Ds, instead of arming the damn bomb.

11. Pretty much everyone plays as the Medic class...or Recon. Why wouldnt they? As a Medic you'll have a gun that does high damage, fires with 0 recoil and comes equiped a never ending 100-200 round magazine. Oh and did I mention you'll have the ability to heal yourself and torture your team-mates by reviving theminfront of the tank that just blew them to smitherins and thus forcing them to die again 2 seconds later?

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

13. Only around three new weapons were introduced (GK, m93r, An94 Abakan)...and no, the M1 Garand and Thompson dont count because they were just copied and pasted from BF1943.

14. There's nothing to do once you hit level 22. Our criticism for Bad Company was that they should have increased the rank cap (it was 25 I think). So what did Dice do? They increased it alright...BUT NOW THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO RANK UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOODY UNLOCK FROM 22-50.

Any "lol u jus angry cos u suck" comments will be shrugged off. My K/D is 1.4 thank you very much. Not the best, but its better then at least halfof the people who play this game:D

Kimbo_Slyce

its not trash but i quit playing it awhile ago. its just wasnt exciting to me. i gave it to a work buddy like a week ago.

1. Who cares about the campaign in a Battlefield game?

2. Find a game with good ping. Seriously. I get rubber banding on servers with bad ping only.

3. I didn't die all the time in the low levels, so that's just you. And the things like magnum ammo and armor doesn't make that much of a difference.

4. I play the PC version.

5. No idea what you're talking about. The engineer is awesome.

6. The knife can be annoying, I agree.

7. Haven't tried this enough to say if you're right or not, but it sure is a lot easier to aim with a sniper with scope.

8. I like owning spawn campers, so not really a problem for me.

9. Got it for free.

10. Play with friends.

11. A lie.

12. Hold a button!? NO WAY!!

13. Basically all the weapons were new to me.

14. Sure, if "nothing to unlock" bothers you.

The problems with the first bad company were that

1. You reach the top rank too quickly

2. The aiming isn't as good as Call of Duty/Halo

3. It's meant to be played as a team game, but it never is. So on offense you end up sneaking around the map in hopes your teammates will spawn on you to help you defend a crate, and on defense you just sit back with those remote controlled rocket things and snipe vehicles. I only played conquest once, but it was really boring.

I agree. The sp campaign was dreadful and the multiplayer was fun for only a couple of weeks. I traded it in for RDR.