Bad Company 2 = Trash

It doesn't hold up well to scrutiny, but it's far from a bad game. I was pleased with the PC version.

1. The campaign was awful. It was filled with so many cliches (explosive barrels placed everywhere, etc), plot holes and mindless shooting galleries. I couldnt even believe how Dice could have let this happen.Forgettable characters, forgettable missions, forgettable scenarios...forgettable game. Lets not even touch on how pretty much all the buildings were COPIED AND PASTED.Lol are you kidding? Only like four types of buildings? MOST OF WHICH WERE PLUCKED OUT OF THE FIRST BAD COMPANY? Wow...just wow.

2. EA's servers are god awful. Constant "rubber banding" occurs (this is when you take a few steps forward and slowly slide back or teleportto where you were originally, VERY FRUSTRATING and I have a 54mbs connection) ontop of the fact that your bullets only register half the time. Use a shotgun and you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll shoot someone in the back pointblack and it wont register at all. -Yup I've seen this myself

3. If you plan on having fun in the low levels, then forget it. The last thing I'd call this game is an even playing field. I find it disturbing how people cry about Modern Warfare 2 being an uneven playing field while pardoning Bad Company 2 when itis the exact same thing. There are perks just like in CoD (Magnum ammunition = Stopping Power, Ceramnic Armor = Juggernaught, Explosives Package = Danger Close, etc) and unlike CoD, new players are COMPLETLEY SCREWED. All you'll be doing in the low levels is dying, dying and dying. Even if you're skills are actually pretty decent, you'll still be getting screwed over all the time. The starting weapons are COMPLETELY USELESS, except for the M24 for the Recon class. - You suck? I'm rank 6 now...positive KDR already and the points are rolling in. I totally held my own with the starting weapons....all classes.

4. Sluggish controls on the console version, the maximum sensitivity is low, assumablybecause Dice doesnt want you to witness this game's terrible frame rate.

5. Clear inbalanaces. So let me get this right, there is absolutely NOTHING overpowered about having tanks that can fire their TWO-shot-to-kill turretsINCESSANTLY with PERFECT accuracy ACROSS the map? Just destroy it? It takes about four rockets to bring down a tank (the engineer class is useless). Use teamwork? Well 75% of the people on your team will either be snipers or medics...what happens once you destroy it? It respawns four seconds later... -Tanks dominating a battlefield, well that makes no sense :roll:

6. Oh and like in Call of Duty, this game has a magical knife that allows the user to lunge half a mile through whizzing shrapnel, stab somebody in the leg and kill them, all while getting shot at by 5x56 NATO rounds.

7. Shotguns are more effective then snipers. Putting slugs on a pump action shotguns allows the user to ONE HIT KILL people from ACROSS the map since the slugs are somehow not affected by gravity like all the other weapons. Dont believe me?

• Choose the medic ****so you can heal yourself (assault works too to refill ammo)
• Pick a pump action shotgun as your primary
• Use the slugs "perk"
• ???
• PROFIT!

8.Just like in CoD the game features INSANE spawn camping. Look at Laguna Alta for example. You can go into thebases of the opposite team and just mess everyone up who spawns. Just park yourBradley APC outside and PROFIT because guess what? There's only onetiny narrow exit out of each base so if you're that unlucky guy that just got tossed into a game where the other team has capped all the flags, you're pretty much screwed. Wow Dice just wow. Another EXCELLENT design choice.

9. The game store allows you to purchaseDLC ALREADY ON THE MOTHER FLUPPING DISC. Nuff said - Lame, but I shared my way into it, so free for me.

10. Team work in this game is an ILLUSION. I have no idea what you fanboys aresmoking. Watch carefuly. Watch as that Recon sits there in that bush refusing to disarm the bomb, despite the fact that he's two meters away from it. Watch carefuly as the medic refuses to heal you and insists on spamming his machine gun. Watch carefuly as despite being in the same squad and having the same objective, the two idiots who spawn on you run in the opposite direction, towards the tank so they can spawn trap and butt rape the other team to increase their K/Ds, instead of arming the damn bomb.- Total rubbish, I'm still fairly new and I've seen loads of teamwork already. It's been really quite impressive for a console shooter.

11. Pretty much everyone plays as the Medic ****..or Recon. Why wouldnt they? As a Medic you'll have a gun that does high damage, fires with 0 recoil and comes equiped a never ending 100-200 round magazine. Oh and did I mention you'll have the ability to heal yourself and torture your team-mates by reviving theminfront of the tank that just blew them to smitherins and thus forcing them to die again 2 seconds later?- Huh? what game are you playing, seriously?

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

13. Only around three new weapons were introduced (GK, m93r, An94 Abakan)...and no, the M1 Garand and Thompson dont count because they were just copied and pasted from BF1943. - Cause, there's like, not enough or something?

14. There's nothing to do once you hit level 22. Our criticism for Bad Company was that they should have increased the rank cap (it was 25 I think). So what did Dice do? They increased it alright...BUT NOW THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO RANK UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOODY UNLOCK FROM 22-50.- But getting rank 22 takes ages, how much more value can you want?

Any "lol u jus angry cos u suck" comments will be shrugged off. My K/D is 1.4 thank you very much. Not the best, but its better then at least halfof the people who play this game:D

Kimbo_Slyce

gotta admit that this guy explains his points well. i havent played the game yet, but i know the first one was garbageAndrovinus

You're right it was, but the 2nd is not. It's not loads different, but all the small changes add up in a big way.

For a trash game, you sure did devote a lot of your time into it it seems.SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

1. The campaign was awful. It was filled with so many cliches (explosive barrels placed everywhere, etc), plot holes and mindless shooting galleries. I couldnt even believe how Dice could have let this happen.Forgettable characters, forgettable missions, forgettable scenarios...forgettable game. Lets not even touch on how pretty much all the buildings were COPIED AND PASTED.Lol are you kidding? Only like four types of buildings? MOST OF WHICH WERE PLUCKED OUT OF THE FIRST BAD COMPANY? Wow...just wow.

2. EA's servers are god awful. Constant "rubber banding" occurs (this is when you take a few steps forward and slowly slide back or teleportto where you were originally, VERY FRUSTRATING and I have a 54mbs connection) ontop of the fact that your bullets only register half the time. Use a shotgun and you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll shoot someone in the back pointblack and it wont register at all. -Yup I've seen this myself

3. If you plan on having fun in the low levels, then forget it. The last thing I'd call this game is an even playing field. I find it disturbing how people cry about Modern Warfare 2 being an uneven playing field while pardoning Bad Company 2 when itis the exact same thing. There are perks just like in CoD (Magnum ammunition = Stopping Power, Ceramnic Armor = Juggernaught, Explosives Package = Danger Close, etc) and unlike CoD, new players are COMPLETLEY SCREWED. All you'll be doing in the low levels is dying, dying and dying. Even if you're skills are actually pretty decent, you'll still be getting screwed over all the time. The starting weapons are COMPLETELY USELESS, except for the M24 for the Recon class. - You suck? I'm rank 6 now...positive KDR already and the points are rolling in. I totally held my own with the starting weapons....all classes. Me suck? Im consistently ontop of the leaderboards. You dont know me. Just beacuse I am informed and angry, does not mean I am feeling butthurt beacuse the game is too hard for me.

4. Sluggish controls on the console version, the maximum sensitivity is low, assumablybecause Dice doesnt want you to witness this game's terrible frame rate.

5. Clear inbalanaces. So let me get this right, there is absolutely NOTHING overpowered about having tanks that can fire their TWO-shot-to-kill turretsINCESSANTLY with PERFECT accuracy ACROSS the map? Just destroy it? It takes about four rockets to bring down a tank (the engineer ****is useless). Use teamwork? Well 75% of the people on your team will either be snipers or medics...what happens once you destroy it? It respawns four seconds later... -Tanks dominating a battlefield, well that makes no sense :roll: Just as it makes no sense as to why it takes four rockets to bring it down when people rarely use team work and just as it makes on sense as to why shooting powerful and explosive tank shells is not enough right? Because one person can surely drive a tank, man the main gun, reload it, ontop of utilizing the machine gun and loading it so it fires continuously.

6. Oh and like in Call of Duty, this game has a magical knife that allows the user to lunge half a mile through whizzing shrapnel, stab somebody in the leg and kill them, all while getting shot at by 5x56 NATO rounds.

7. Shotguns are more effective then snipers. Putting slugs on a pump action shotguns allows the user to ONE HIT KILL people from ACROSS the map since the slugs are somehow not affected by gravity like all the other weapons. Dont believe me?

• Choose the medic ****so you can heal yourself (assault works too to refill ammo)
• Pick a pump action shotgun as your primary
• Use the slugs "perk"
• ???
• PROFIT!

8.Just like in CoD the game features INSANE spawn camping. Look at Laguna Alta for example. You can go into thebases of the opposite team and just mess everyone up who spawns. Just park yourBradley APC outside and PROFIT because guess what? There's only onetiny narrow exit out of each base so if you're that unlucky guy that just got tossed into a game where the other team has capped all the flags, you're pretty much screwed. Wow Dice just wow. Another EXCELLENT design choice.

9. The game store allows you to purchaseDLC ALREADY ON THE MOTHER FLUPPING DISC. Nuff said - Lame, but I shared my way into it, so free for me.

10. Team work in this game is an ILLUSION. I have no idea what you fanboys aresmoking. Watch carefuly. Watch as that Recon sits there in that bush refusing to disarm the bomb, despite the fact that he's two meters away from it. Watch carefuly as the medic refuses to heal you and insists on spamming his machine gun. Watch carefuly as despite being in the same squad and having the same objective, the two idiots who spawn on you run in the opposite direction, towards the tank so they can spawn trap and butt rape the other team to increase their K/Ds, instead of arming the damn bomb.- Total rubbish, I'm still fairly new and I've seen loads of teamwork already. It's been really quite impressive for a console shooter. Nope not impresive at all. Almost as bad as MW2. People just doin their own things,Recons being K/D whores, Medics being SPM/point whores and Engineers camping in Team Deathmatch. There's nothing that pisses me off more then to see my team in second place because the douche bags in first place found a dumpster on Port Valdez where they can shoot their UMPS at you while exposing only their heads. Use teamwork? HAHAHA tell that to the other three dumbass recons in your squad

11. Pretty much everyone plays as the Medic ****..or Recon. Why wouldnt they? As a Medic you'll have a gun that does high damage, fires with 0 recoil and comes equiped a never ending 100-200 round magazine. Oh and did I mention you'll have the ability to heal yourself and torture your team-mates by reviving theminfront of the tank that just blew them to smitherins and thus forcing them to die again 2 seconds later?- Huh? what game are you playing, seriously? I'm playing Battlefield: Bad Company 2. What game are you playing? Battlefield 2?

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

13. Only around three new weapons were introduced (GK, m93r, An94 Abakan)...and no, the M1 Garand and Thompson dont count because they were just copied and pasted from BF1943. - Cause, there's like, not enough or something? Considering that the level cap is 50, hell no.

14. There's nothing to do once you hit level 22. Our criticism for Bad Company was that they should have increased the rank cap (it was 25 I think). So what did Dice do? They increased it alright...BUT NOW THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO RANK UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOODY UNLOCK FROM 22-50.- But getting rank 22 takes ages, how much more value can you want? It doesnt take ages. If you hold on your own as well as you say you do, you'll be level 22 in three weeks tops of moderate playing (1 hour and 20 mins a day).

Any "lol u jus angry cos u suck" comments will be shrugged off. My K/D is 1.4 thank you very much. Not the best, but its better then at least halfof the people who play this game:D

Kan0nF0dder

you hated it enough to play a good fair share of it. that's saying something

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]For a trash game, you sure did devote a lot of your time into it it seems.Kimbo_Slyce

Sounds like all your problems are because of the console version. Low sensitvity, super shotguns (which i never encounter) and bad teamwork. You sound like a lost PC gamer that got seperated from the fold, come back. You can blame consoles for their low sensitivity controllers, thats just how controllers are and most console users are used to that. Also you cant blame the game if people dont work as a team; the game gave the tools but its up to the people. The lag is a legitmate complaint which still happens on the PC as well but as I understand DICE is working on it; still better than MW2 lag and host dissconnects.

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]For a trash game, you sure did devote a lot of your time into it it seems.SpiritOfFire117

Also anyone who cares about their K/D ratio in a BF game is stupid. A good players charges through enemy fire to disarm that MCOM despite several grenades and rockets being thrown into the room.

Sounds like all your problems are because of the console version. Low sensitvity, super shotguns (which i never encounter) and bad teamwork. You sound like a lost PC gamer that got seperated from the fold, come back. You can blame consoles for their low sensitivity controllers, thats just how controllers are and most console users are used to that. Also you cant blame the game if people dont work as a team; the game gave the tools but its up to the people. The lag is a legitmate complaint which still happens on the PC as well but as I understand DICE is working on it; still better than MW2 lag and host dissconnects.

NanoMan88

my fav shooter that has come out in the last few years was bf43, shame it never got new maps.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]If you actually spent the time to read my other comments you would have learned that I actually do enjoy this game, but it is not the messiah of FPS games as everyone else makes it out to be. Thats all I'm just trying to say. Thread title is for extra lulz just as this next statement;Its *almost* as bad as MW2.

siLVURcross

Also anyone who cares about their K/D ratio in a BF game is stupid. A good players charges through enemy fire to disarm that MCOM despite several grenades and rockets being thrown into the room.

NanoMan88

I agree with most of your points. However, if the servers were good, then this would be my shooter of choice.

While the game is imbalanced, it isn't so imbalanced that it's impossible to play well, and have fun. Additionally, your team is much better when you're in a squad of people you know, for obvious reasons. Still, I've been in many random squads where people were working together, talking, and having fun.

As far as tanks go, land mines take them out in one or two shots. I, personally, think helicopters are more overpowered than the tanks, but mostly because they are much harder to hit than they should be due to the atrocious lag.

The squad system needs improvement. I'd much prefer a KZ2 squad system, where you can view the squads and choose which one to join. I'd add to the KZ2 one the ability to see what class everyone on the team is using, and the ability for squad leaders to communicate with each other.

But, you are certainly right the way the game is now, it is trash. No game mechanic matters when the game is unplayable online.

I pop in KZ2, and will likely continue to, when I wanna play online now. I may even try to get into Warhawk again, if I'm feeling masochistic.

Ithink its a great game, despite the little amount of maps, and the fact you don't ge you're class equipment when you start off. I enjoyed the campaign, although it was constantly interrupted by annoying pointless cutscenes. The scenes were memorable sometimes, and has some unique moments (Going down the mountain avoiding frostbite, timing shots to the thunder).

Move on, its a game.

Holy cow this is so false. AMAZING game, maybe you just don't have any friends to play with??

To the defenders, there no denying this game's greatness, but you have to give acknowledge where it due..

BC2 has a lot of imbalancing issues, A LOT, and its far from a perfect game, or a 9.0 in this case.

LMGs have 0 recoil and do too much damage. To the point that run n gunners actually choose medic class all the time.

The assault riffles accuracy is RIDICULOUS, you can pop someone head across the map with a XM. While I encourage the realism that bullet drop and time travel give to the sniper riffles, AR don't have that accuracy, that's the whole point of using sniper riffles, as the long barrel give the bullet a more stable trajectory.

Turrets are weaksausage, its much more useful to spam C4 with a recon than actually use one

I agree with most of your points. However, if the servers were good, then this would be my shooter of choice.

While the game is imbalanced, it isn't so imbalanced that it's impossible to play well, and have fun. Additionally, your team is much better when you're in a squad of people you know, for obvious reasons. Still, I've been in many random squads where people were working together, talking, and having fun.

As far as tanks go, land mines take them out in one or two shots. I, personally, think helicopters are more overpowered than the tanks, but mostly because they are much harder to hit than they should be due to the atrocious lag.

The squad system needs improvement. I'd much prefer a KZ2 squad system, where you can view the squads and choose which one to join. I'd add to the KZ2 one the ability to see what class everyone on the team is using, and the ability for squad leaders to communicate with each other.

But, you are certainly right the way the game is now, it is trash. No game mechanic matters when the game is unplayable online.

I pop in KZ2, and will likely continue to, when I wanna play online now. I may even try to get into Warhawk again, if I'm feeling masochistic.

Pug-Nasty

Holy cow this is so false. AMAZING game, maybe you just don't have any friends to play with??

SteveMcD

For a trash game, you sure did devote a lot of your time into it it seems.SpiritOfFire117

I highly enjoy Battlefield: Bad Company but if the sequel really is what the TC describes then I am rather worried.

BC 2 is the best modern day shooter available for Next gen consoles, until MOH of course.

A lot of your points are incredibly flawed. If a tank or APC is camping the spawn, why don't you get an Engineer class and do something about it? You can see where you spawn, or even spawn on squad mates, seriously.

TC, if you dislike the game so much, why are you still playing it?

I highly enjoy Battlefield: Bad Company but if the sequel really is what the TC describes then I am rather worried.

Hexagon_777

Be sure to mix playing with friends and playing solo. If you're never playing with friends, then this game will feel pretty lonely and might get dull quick. And if all you do is play in a party, the game will seem lifeless to you when everyone is offline.

BC 2 is the best modern day shooter available for Next gen consoles, until MOH of course.

A lot of your points are incredibly flawed. If a tank or APC is camping the spawn, why don't you get an Engineer class and do something about it? You can see where you spawn, or even spawn on squad mates, seriously.

Dead-Memories

SMGS are outclassed by assault rifles and LMGs....the only truly useful thing engineers have are landmines but engineers rarely equip them seeing as how they take up the spot of their precious Carl Agustav RL which are more useful for sniping people across the map....

LMG are way overpowered, M60 have a pinpoint accuracy, 0 recoil, lots of ammo and too much damageLookAnDrolL

Ok ok I was over-exaggerating. I'm actually enjoying this game. But some of you guys are parading around the place and acting as if its the best damn thing that has happened to shooters, all while ignoring its glaring flaws.

Kimbo_Slyce

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

BC 2 is the best modern day shooter available for Next gen consoles, until MOH of course.

A lot of your points are incredibly flawed. If a tank or APC is camping the spawn, why don't you get an Engineer class and do something about it? You can see where you spawn, or even spawn on squad mates, seriously.

Kimbo_Slyce

SMGS are outclassed by assault rifles and LMGs....the only truly useful thing engineers have are landmines but engineers rarely equip them seeing as how they take up the spot of their precious Carl Agustav RL which are more useful for sniping people across the map....

Hit the tank at the rear maybe, or the tracks if you see the gunner on top starting to pan round? I mean, seriously, just last night I made loads of points by just being smart, sneaking round. A couple I even did with the drill, it felt almost too easy. Yet you say the engineer is useless?

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

BC 2 is the best modern day shooter available for Next gen consoles, until MOH of course.

A lot of your points are incredibly flawed. If a tank or APC is camping the spawn, why don't you get an Engineer class and do something about it? You can see where you spawn, or even spawn on squad mates, seriously.

Kan0nF0dder

SMGS are outclassed by assault rifles and LMGs....the only truly useful thing engineers have are landmines but engineers rarely equip them seeing as how they take up the spot of their precious Carl Agustav RL which are more useful for sniping people across the map....

Hit the tank at the rear maybe, or the tracks if you see the gunner on top starting to pan round? I mean, seriously, just last night I made loads of points by just being smart, sneaking round. A couple I even did with the drill, it felt almost too easy. Yet you say the engineer is useless?

His stats indicate that the sole anti-tank experience he has is with the Carl Gustav, the weakest RPG in the game. And he only has a single, solitary silver star for it. As I've said, most of the TC's complaints stem from him not being all that great at this game rather than the game being supposedly severely flawed.

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]If you find yourself in this bottleneck it isnearlyimpossible to get out of it. Did you EVEN play this game? Some of my points may be exaggerations but none at the core are invalid. Sure the machine guns for tanksare actually affected by gravity, but that still doesnt mean that they cant fire continuously (ontop of killing in what feels like two hits). Spawn as an Engineer and do something about it? Do what? Shoot a rocket at it and then get butt raped by the passenger while the driver is outside fixing it or the other 11 people who are spawn trapping you?Did I even mention that you can fly your UAV into their spawn and send a constant barrage of rockets and lead at them? The rockets that the engineers come with do not do enough damage. Really? 4 rockets to take out a tank? Engineer is a truly useless class....

SMGS are outclassed by assault rifles and LMGs....the only truly useful thing engineers have are landmines but engineers rarely equip them seeing as how they take up the spot of their precious Carl Agustav RL which are more useful for sniping people across the map....

Verge_6

Hit the tank at the rear maybe, or the tracks if you see the gunner on top starting to pan round? I mean, seriously, just last night I made loads of points by just being smart, sneaking round. A couple I even did with the drill, it felt almost too easy. Yet you say the engineer is useless?

His stats indicate that the sole anti-tank experience he has is with the Carl Gustav, the weakest RPG in the game. And he only has a single, solitary silver star for it. As I've said, most of the TC's complaints stem from him not being all that great at this game rather than the game being supposedly severely flawed.

Thanks Verge, thought something was fishy....as I said earlier in thread I'm only rank 6 but my experience with it is nothing like what he describes so far. Should try using his head more, rather than trying to pick holes in the mechanics.

12. No lean, no prone and no selective fire. On the PC version, you have to HOLDcntrl to stay crouched. WTF?

Bad Company 1 is a far better game, thats for sure.

I do wish there was prone and lean, but honestly the game works fine without them. If anything, Bad Company 2 makes me want Battlefield 3 more, to see the ideas demonstrated in the game on a larger, improved scale.

Disagree and how is holding ctrl to crouch bad? Counter strike, one of the best shooters uses it as defualt.

1. Campaign was average so what all FPS campaigns are

2. I play on PC and servers are fantastic. zero lag

3. Controls are once again perfect PC woo hoo. your fault for buying it on consoles

4.Shotguns never kill me from more then 30 yards away.

5. Spawn camping the attackers isnt even possible and on defense just spawn on one of your squadmates.

6. All classes are fine. I can get kills on every squad no problem, and they all seem relatively balanced.

2. I play on PC and servers are fantastic. zero lag

Fizzman

Eh, you get a bad one every now and then. Still, I watched my bro play the PS3 version... let's just say I'm happy I have a decent PC. :P

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

2. I play on PC and servers are fantastic. zero lag

psn8214

Eh, you get a bad one every now and then. Still, I watched my bro play the PS3 version... let's just say I'm happy I have a decent PC. :P

I had some issues during the 1st week of release, but since then its been nearly flawless which is all you can ask for.