bang for buck the PS3 owns the Pc for graphics

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]PC will always beat PS3 in terms of Graphics. But the cost of a decent PC part like a video card costs as much as the PS3NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] rebates are usually for a limited time only tooKevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]PC will always beat PS3 in terms of Graphics. But the cost of a decent PC part like a video card costs as much as the PS3NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"][QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]PC will always beat PS3 in terms of Graphics. But the cost of a decent PC part like a video card costs as much as the PS3i5750at4Ghz

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

DS has a better gaming library for less money then a ps3, so if your going to use the money argument, then dont.

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]I was actually just thinking the same thing, Uncharted 2 running on a $300 PS3 looks much better than Crysis running on a $300 PClundy86_4

We usually don't include them in the prices of the system.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] A 5770 1GB which can play Crysis on Very High, is only $150. Though a GPU can cost a lot it doesn't have to.lundy86_4

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 5770 is a crap card though.i5750at4Ghz

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] No its not. It performs on par with a 4870 which you can get for $100 on ebay. In fact I got one a few months back for $77 on ebay, and it's still in my nieces system. 5770 is a gimmick card.i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] then what card would you suggest at 150-200 dollar price point? Just out of curiosity Animal-Mother

No its not. It performs on par with a 4870 which you can get for $100 on ebay. In fact I got one a few months back for $77 on ebay, and it's still in my nieces system. 5770 is a gimmick card.i5750at4Ghz

4870's are still $150 on Newegg. I can also find the 5770 for close to $100 on Ebay ($125 with free shipping) and I found a 4870 for $120 with a buy it now option. If you are talking about bidding, then it's not really relevant, because you could probably find either card for a similar price.

So yes, the price point is good for the performance it puts out. Is it a gimmick? Possibly, because it's a DX11 with little performance improvements. However it's very similar to how nVidia rebranded the 8800GT's into the 9800's with little performance increase.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 5770 is a crap card though.i5750at4Ghz

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

I know, I am aware of the stupidity of system wars. I was making a point.gamer620

What point were you making? That you need a TV and/or monitor? Well that's obvious, and some people already have TV's capable of displaying an image from both a console and PC. Therefore it's not always a necessity, when usually a PC or console is, specifically when we're taslking about the cost. After all, we don't include the price of all 360 and PS3 extra components in the initial price.

Not true, a £400 pc produces far better gfx to any console on the market and the bang ratio exceeds the buck you put into it, as long as you shop cautiously and pick good parts. Then ofcourse once we factor game prices in its game over, this whole PC gaming is expensive business is founded on pure ignorance.

Not true, a £400 pc produces far better gfx to any console on the market and the bang ratio exceeds the buck you put into it, as long as you shop cautiously and pick good parts. Then ofcourse once we factor game prices in its game over, this whole PC gaming is expensive business is founded on pure ignorance.

SapSacPrime

Not by a long shot.

A $500 PC today can run Crysis at very high settings at 720p+ resolutions. Sure games like Unchartred 2 and God of War 3 look excellent, but it's because they are linear games where the developer can control exactly what the user sees. Games like ArmA 2 and Crysis don't have that luxary (even GTA 4 and RDR). You have to scale all of your graphics to run smoothly from any angle and any amount of action, which is very difficult to do.

So when you think about it, the PC is still the best bang for your buck for video gaming. A $500 PC can run all of the games today (except newest titles) at decent FPS (nothing unplayable). Sure it probably isn't a real futureproof machine, but you're still getting the largest library of games (and cheapest) for only $500. With that you're also getting the best graphics any of the platforms can produce. All of that is just talking about gaming.

What many users on this forum don't seem to realize is how much a very powerful PC and a decent sized monitor can completely make your computing experiance more enjoyable for every application. My 1680x1050 monitor at 20" is just the beginning to what you could have. Add in a powerful processor so everything loads ultra smooth, a decent amount of ram for multitasking, some nice 2.1 speakers or headphones for audio, a comfortable mouse and slick keyboard, you're computing experiance will not be the same. All of this comes with a PC. Sure a laptop can get the job done, or you spyware ridden family PC, but nothing is quite like having your own personal PC that is fast to just do work.

Best bang for your buck always will go to the PC. Best graphical bang for your buck, best total bang for your buck. You can't go wrong with PC gaming unless you buy a Mac.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I wouldn't say that. For it's price point, the performance is actually very good.

NVIDIATI

Cool man do you. The fact remains it's still a gimmick card. It's a dx11 card that can't play any dx11 games. Crank up the settings on any true dx11 game and watch the game crawl at 10-15 fps. For dx11 you really have to wait as nothing on the market other than the $500+ cards are worth anything in DX11 games.

Well out of all the parts to a PC, I am only going to count the cost of the graphics card for the price of my gaming system. Why, because every other part to my PC is for surfing the web and everything else not game related. As I sit here with my PC and decide I want a gaming system, I only need to buy a graphics card to have my gaming system. So my gaming system (GPU) cost less than your PS3. So I am getting more bang for my buck with gaming on PC vs a PS3. Lets not mention just how much cheaper PC games are vs PS3 games. So there is more bang for my buck.

Really?

So, what games on PS3 compare to Crysis, Shattered Horizon, ArmA 2?

Not by a long shot.

A $500 PC today can run Crysis at very high settings at 720p+ resolutions. Sure games like Unchartred 2 and God of War 3 look excellent, but it's because they are linear games where the developer can control exactly what the user sees. Games like ArmA 2 and Crysis don't have that luxary (even GTA 4 and RDR). You have to scale all of your graphics to run smoothly from any angle and any amount of action, which is very difficult to do.

So when you think about it, the PC is still the best bang for your buck for video gaming. A $500 PC can run all of the games today (except newest titles) at decent FPS (nothing unplayable). Sure it probably isn't a real futureproof machine, but you're still getting the largest library of games (and cheapest) for only $500. With that you're also getting the best graphics any of the platforms can produce. All of that is just talking about gaming.

What many users on this forum don't seem to realize is how much a very powerful PC and a decent sized monitor can completely make your computing experiance more enjoyable for every application. My 1680x1050 monitor at 20" is just the beginning to what you could have. Add in a powerful processor so everything loads ultra smooth, a decent amount of ram for multitasking, some nice 2.1 speakers or headphones for audio, a comfortable mouse and slick keyboard, you're computing experiance will not be the same. All of this comes with a PC. Sure a laptop can get the job done, or you spyware ridden family PC, but nothing is quite like having your own personal PC that is fast to just do work.

Best bang for your buck always will go to the PC. Best graphical bang for your buck, best total bang for your buck. You can't go wrong with PC gaming unless you buy a Mac.

Wasdie

My PC cost about £200 and I bought a £34 graphics card and it runs crysis at medium-high settings with basically no lag, so yeah enjoy your Tomb Raider ripoffs

My PC cost about £200 and I bought a £34 graphics card and it runs crysis at medium-high settings with basically no lag, so yeah enjoy your Tomb Raider ripoffs

andalore

A 5770 1GB which can play Crysis on Very High, is only $150.NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] No its not. It performs on par with a 4870 which you can get for $100 on ebay. In fact I got one a few months back for $77 on ebay, and it's still in my nieces system. 5770 is a gimmick card.i5750at4Ghz

Cool man do you. The fact remains it's still a gimmick card. It's a dx11 card that can't play any dx11 games. Crank up the settings on any true dx11 game and watch the game crawl at 10-15 fps. For dx11 you really have to wait as nothing on the market other than the $500+ cards are worth anything in DX11 games.

STOCK 5770 Metro 2033 Benchmarks:http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/7/

Overclocking 5770 from 850-->950 and 1200-->1400: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/12/

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Good for ebay, but the 4870 on newegg is around $150. So I wouldn't call it a gimmick. Also the 5770 aside from the extra DX11 features its a very power efficient card and runs cooler therefore allowing for more overlcocking.

NVIDIATI

Cool man do you. The fact remains it's still a gimmick card. It's a dx11 card that can't play any dx11 games. Crank up the settings on any true dx11 game and watch the game crawl at 10-15 fps. For dx11 you really have to wait as nothing on the market other than the $500+ cards are worth anything in DX11 games.

STOCK 5770 Metro 2033 Benchmarks:http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/7/

Overclocking 5770 form 850-->950 and 1200-->1400: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/12/

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] A 5770 1GB which can play Crysis on Very High, is only $150.Teufelhuhn

My PC cost about £200 and I bought a £34 graphics card and it runs crysis at medium-high settings with basically no lag, so yeah enjoy your Tomb Raider ripoffs

andalore

k goes back to playing uncharted.

Which tbh isnt a tomb raider ripoff its way more witty and fresh cause tomb raider as a franchise has reached a level of stale only Sonic and Guitar hero ever reached besides its gameplay's leagues ahead of tomb raider.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

Cool man do you. The fact remains it's still a gimmick card. It's a dx11 card that can't play any dx11 games. Crank up the settings on any true dx11 game and watch the game crawl at 10-15 fps. For dx11 you really have to wait as nothing on the market other than the $500+ cards are worth anything in DX11 games.

i5750at4Ghz

STOCK 5770 Metro 2033 Benchmarks:http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/7/

Overclocking 5770 form 850-->950 and 1200-->1400: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/12/

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] But its better than the 4870 which goes for the same price new. So who cares if it can take full advantage of DX11 or not. And a stock 5770 runs Metro 2033 maxed @1280x1024with DX11 on,at an average of 24FPS. So its not that bad, and thanks to the low temps/power req. you can overlcock it a fair bit maybe bring it up to 30FPS.

STOCK 5770 Metro 2033 Benchmarks:http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/7/

Overclocking 5770 form 850-->950 and 1200-->1400: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1305/12/

NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] A 5770 1GB which can play Crysis on Very High, is only $150.NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Do you really consider 1280x1024 @ 24fps not that bad? We have vastly different opinions on what good performance is if so. Again I got my 4870 for $77, until I can find a 5770 around that same price, I simply disagree it's better. Much rather send the extra $50 and get a 4890, which also overclocks like a beast.i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Yeah right. A 5770 can barely do high a 1680x1050, never mind Very High. My GTX 275, a faster card in all benchmarks, doesn't do Crysis at Very High.

Teufelhuhn

I play crysis with my 8800GTX @1680x1050 at 23fps average on Very High lol. I know thats pretty low, but motionblur helps it seem less laggy :P Im a graphics whore so ill risk a little performance for some eyecandy.

Wow dude, that's one hell of a qualifier there. You're talking about lower-than-console resolutions!

Teufelhuhn

I never found the pricing argument to be a valid argument. When you buy a PS3 for $300, you buy it to mainly play games and use the blu-ray player if you wanted to. If you spend about $500-$600 on a PC, you could buy it to play games and to use all of the features a PC has besides games and movies.

The value between the two systems are much different because of what it offers. The prices may be different, but the value that goes along with each price point are about equal.

There is one thing that people seem to forget in these kinds of discussions (well, since we're talking about costs). The games, yup, that's the main reason we're gaming, PC games cost much less than console games which is a real bang for the buck which will last as long as you're gaming.

The system itself might be a bang but if you're getting most of your games @ $50 range then you're really wasting a lot.

A little math (estimate):

X got a PS3 ($300) and 10 games (10*$50) in one year ======> $800

Y got a PC ($500) and 10 games (10*$30) in one year =======> $800

If both will get the same amount of games next year then Y will be saving $200.

All I know is I enjoy games on my PC ten times more than on my PS3. As far as I'm concerned paying more for a PC is worth it regardless, you can actually do everything on PC and the games end up being way cheaper which breaks the difference over time anyway.

You don't just buya PC for gaming, so your point is a bit void even if you consider PS3's Bluray capabilities.

The PC is a great gaming platform, arguably the best. but a good gaming PC will set you back about £300 - £400.where as the PS3 is just £250. No PC for that price could run games with graphics like Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Infamous 2, and lair.

So pound for pound the PS3 the playstation 3 offers the best graphics experience around.

Please feel free to disagree.

Vinegar_Strokes

The PC is a great gaming platform, arguably the best. but a good gaming PC will set you back about £300 - £400.where as the PS3 is just £250. No PC for that price could run games with graphics like Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Infamous 2, and lair.

So pound for pound the PS3 the playstation 3 offers the best graphics experience around.

Please feel free to disagree.

Vinegar_Strokes

Using your logic, this is the best looking game since it's running on a $150 system

You don't just buya PC for gaming, so your point is a bit void even if you consider PS3's Bluray capabilities.

DraugenCP

If we are to consider PS3 for Bluray, we are to also consider everything else that a PC can do, of course.

Bang for your buck indeed.

For $300 you can buy used gaming PCs that will run Crysis on High at 1680x1050 easy.KHAndAnime

There is one thing that people seem to forget in these kinds of discussions (well, since we're talking about costs). The games, yup, that's the main reason we're gaming, PC games cost much less than console games which is a real bang for the buck which will last as long as you're gaming.

The system itself might be a bang but if you're getting most of your games @ $50 range then you're really wasting a lot.

A little math (estimate):

X got a PS3 ($300) and 10 games (10*$50) in one year ======> $800

Y got a PC ($500) and 10 games (10*$30) in one year =======> $800

If both will get the same amount of games next year then Y will be saving $200.

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