Battlefield 4 - Xbox One - 64 players at 60fps

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

Are the PS4 specs the same?

Wow and now Dice are looking into head tracking with Kinect for leaning and peaking, and only on Xbox One :cool:RR360DD

Yeah, that sounds awful

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

 

Are the PS4 specs the same?

StormyJoe

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

Dump down graphics confirmed. Really though, it's good news.rjdofu

1st of all... you got it wrong... it's "Dumbed down..." not dump down.

2nd You're not even using it right. Dumbing down has to do with making a games mechanics simpler and easier to use in order to draw in noobs/casuals.

You're looking for the term "Downgrade" in graphics confirmed.

This has been a PSA from your friendly System Wars Idiot Police... or SWIP if you prefer.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

Are the PS4 specs the same?

killzowned24

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

IDK. There could be features of the game unavailable on PS4 due to Kinect, SmartGlass, and the XBL Cloud. Gameplay > Graphics.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

 

Are the PS4 specs the same?

StormyJoe

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

IDK. There could be features of the game unavailable on PS4 due to Kinect, SmartGlass, and the XBL Cloud. Gameplay > Graphics.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] PS4 is likely better.

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

killzowned24

IDK. There could be features of the game unavailable on PS4 due to Kinect, SmartGlass, and the XBL Cloud. Gameplay > Graphics.

Kinect doesn't have a single thing to do with game graphics... :roll:

lol yea, because while in a gun fight I stop and pause to count the pixels in the corner of the screen.  oh hermits, god bless you.

kingoflife9

Phones.
Same resolution as on your 50' television.

Just sayin'.

Neat and all having 64 players, it damn well should but the resolution cap is a major bummer.
Ah well launch games. 

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

Are the PS4 specs the same?

StormyJoe

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

IDK. There could be features of the game unavailable on PS4 due to Kinect, SmartGlass, and the XBL Cloud. Gameplay > Graphics.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

 

Are the PS4 specs the same?

killzowned24

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

[QUOTE="tdkmillsy"]50" tv 8 feet away will u really tell the difference between 720p, 900p and 1080p. Not sure it should be such a deciding factor. Wasdie

On a TV that big no, you would notice the difference. If the TV was under 30 inches then probably not unless you were 2 feet away from the screen. 50" screen needs to be 1080p.

Upscaling to 1080p will be fine though.

Oh absolutley. The same way smearing vaseline all over your screen would be "fine". 

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Glad I pre-ordered it (XB1 version)!

 

Are the PS4 specs the same?

Guy_Brohski

''GameInformer asked DICE's Karl Magnus: "People have made a lot about the difference between the PlayStation 4 having 8GB of GDDR5 RAM versus the 5GB of DDR3 RAM allotted toward the gaming partition on the Xbox One. Do you see that as an advantage for the PlayStation 4, or is that overblown?" To this Karl replied (In GameInformer Issue 244): "More memory or more CPU or GPU power - whatever kind of power we get out of a machine - more is always better, especially for the kind of games that we build."

http://www.gamepur.com/news/11408-dice-comments-ps4-vs-xbox-one-comparison-says-pc-always-better.html

It's not 5 Gigs for "Graphics" on EITHER console. It's 5 Gigs for EVERYTHING. Level data, audio, logic, etc, etc. i addition to textures, rendering meshes, and animations.

In terms of pure graphics memory, as in stuff being utilized by the 3D pipeline to render the current frame, I would expect about 2-3 gigs to be it. The rest is going to be other game data.

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

720p.

Wasdie

That's sure going to diminish the fun of the game for everybody who buys it on the Xbox One and PS4.

Oh absolutley. The same way smearing vaseline all over your screen would be "fine". 

Kinthalis

I always have a hard time taking you serious because you just gasp at straws to make a point. I don't deny what I see with my own eyes and niether do 99% of people. This is the exact reason why developers don't bother cutting down their game to render in 1080p because in the long run it doesn't matter and just elitests like yourself are the only ones who actually complain about something that doesn't affect them at all. 

Or I guess you know better than people who actually do program graphics and have actually considered these things.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Oh absolutley. The same way smearing vaseline all over your screen would be "fine". 

Wasdie

I always have a hard time taking you serious because you just gasp at straws to make a point. I don't deny what I see with my own eyes and niether do 99% of people. This is the exact reason why developers don't bother cutting down their game to render in 1080p because in the long run it doesn't matter and just elitests like yourself are the only ones who actually complain about something that doesn't affect them at all. 

Or I guess you know better than people who actually do program graphics and have actually considered these things.

this is specifically for consoles right? On PC you can tell when it's not at native rez

Is Battlefield Premium worth it and required to get the full experience? I have a hard justifying paying full price of another game just for DLC. I know first expansion comes free with preorders, but what happens after that. Plus I think Premium members get all kinds of XP and bonus perks from the start.

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Oh absolutley. The same way smearing vaseline all over your screen would be "fine". 

lostrib

I always have a hard time taking you serious because you just gasp at straws to make a point. I don't deny what I see with my own eyes and niether do 99% of people. This is the exact reason why developers don't bother cutting down their game to render in 1080p because in the long run it doesn't matter and just elitests like yourself are the only ones who actually complain about something that doesn't affect them at all. 

Or I guess you know better than people who actually do program graphics and have actually considered these things.

this is specifically for consoles right? On PC you can tell when it's not at native rez

You just added yourself to the list of "elitists" Wasdie keeps under his pillow, right next to his fleshlight.

Because there's NO DIFFERENCE between an upscaled image ona  TV and one ona monitor. upscaled si upscaled, and the result is always a BLURRY image.

People notice, Wasdie, even people not on your little list. Just chekc out recent reviews of current gen console games, and many will point out the blurriness due to low rez. It's not just me.

Is Battlefield Premium worth it and required to get the full experience? I have a hard justifying paying full price of another game just for DLC. I know first expansion comes free with preorders, but what happens after that. Plus I think Premium members get all kinds of XP and bonus perks from the start.

StrongBlackVine

Premium gives you all the DLC expansions, and you will have early access two weeks before release. And you will get exclusive double xp weekends.  And then there are extra cammos and then for BF4 they have these battlepacks which contain extra character/weapon customization unlocks.

You also get priority position in server queues, but that's not really that great since there are a lot of available servers

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

haberman13

You are implying that only poor people play on console with blatantly false. Hermits are more likely to be socially awkward virgins with low income jobs and/or living with their parents. See we both can make nasty generalizations.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I always have a hard time taking you serious because you just gasp at straws to make a point. I don't deny what I see with my own eyes and niether do 99% of people. This is the exact reason why developers don't bother cutting down their game to render in 1080p because in the long run it doesn't matter and just elitests like yourself are the only ones who actually complain about something that doesn't affect them at all. 

Or I guess you know better than people who actually do program graphics and have actually considered these things.

Kinthalis

this is specifically for consoles right? On PC you can tell when it's not at native rez

You just added yourself to a list of "elitists" that Wasdie has under his pillow. 

Because there's NO DIFFERENCE between an upscaled image ona  TV and one ona monitor. upscaled si upscaled, and the result is always a BLURRY image.

People notice, Wasdie, even people not on your little list. Just chekc out recent reviews of current gen console games, and many will point out the blurriness due to low rez. It's not just me.

you generally sit farther from a TV than a monitor

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

StrongBlackVine

You are implying that only poor people play on console with blatantly false. Hermits are more likely to be socially awkward with low income jobs and/or living with their parents.

Console gamers are children!

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

haberman13

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Is Battlefield Premium worth it and required to get the full experience? I have a hard justifying paying full price of another game just for DLC. I know first expansion comes free with preorders, but what happens after that. Plus I think Premium members get all kinds of XP and bonus perks from the start.

lostrib

Premium gives you all the DLC expansions, and you will have early access two weeks before release. And you will get exclusive double xp weekends.  And then there are extra cammos and then for BF4 they have these battlepacks which contain extra character/weapon customization unlocks.

You also get priority position in server queues, but that's not really that great since there are a lot of available servers

What percentage of BF players would say get Premium? Is with worth it to you?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I always have a hard time taking you serious because you just gasp at straws to make a point. I don't deny what I see with my own eyes and niether do 99% of people. This is the exact reason why developers don't bother cutting down their game to render in 1080p because in the long run it doesn't matter and just elitests like yourself are the only ones who actually complain about something that doesn't affect them at all. 

Or I guess you know better than people who actually do program graphics and have actually considered these things.

Kinthalis

this is specifically for consoles right? On PC you can tell when it's not at native rez

You just added yourself to a list of "elitists" that Wasdie has under his pillow. 

Because there's NO DIFFERENCE between an upscaled image ona  TV and one ona monitor. upscaled si upscaled, and the result is always a BLURRY image.

People notice, Wasdie, even people not on your little list. Just chekc out recent reviews of current gen console games, and many will point out the blurriness due to low rez. It's not just me.

There is a difference but it's barely noticeable for most people. The PS3 and 360 also have pretty crappy upscaling. Despite that I rarely read a review that complains about blurriness of an imagine. I hear much more complaints about bad jaggied edges in games that have had to sacrifice their AA.

It's also much more noticeable when you're closer to the screen. It's extremely situational. However the bottom line hasn't changed in decades with consoles. You're further from the screen on average thus you can get away with upscaling. That's just how it is. It's cheaper to throw modern AA and upscale at a game than it is to render in native 1080p while on aging hardware.

It's also depending on the game. I can play TLoU on my PS3 and see no more jaggies than I would with a 1080p game on my PC but then turn on GTA V and notice tons of them. Then again Naughty Dog doesn't upscale and I have a decent TV. The upscaling on the PS3 is just bad... bad bad bad.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Is Battlefield Premium worth it and required to get the full experience? I have a hard justifying paying full price of another game just for DLC. I know first expansion comes free with preorders, but what happens after that. Plus I think Premium members get all kinds of XP and bonus perks from the start.

StrongBlackVine

Premium gives you all the DLC expansions, and you will have early access two weeks before release. And you will get exclusive double xp weekends.  And then there are extra cammos and then for BF4 they have these battlepacks which contain extra character/weapon customization unlocks.

You also get priority position in server queues, but that's not really that great since there are a lot of available servers

What percentage of BF players would say get Premium? Is with worth it to you?

I would say a pretty large amount of BF players have it, mostly for the DLC.  I will probably get it, I actually haven't preordered BF4. I'm waiting for the Beta

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

this is specifically for consoles right? On PC you can tell when it's not at native rez

lostrib

You just added yourself to a list of "elitists" that Wasdie has under his pillow. 

Because there's NO DIFFERENCE between an upscaled image ona  TV and one ona monitor. upscaled si upscaled, and the result is always a BLURRY image.

People notice, Wasdie, even people not on your little list. Just chekc out recent reviews of current gen console games, and many will point out the blurriness due to low rez. It's not just me.

you generally sit farther from a TV than a monitor

Unless you're sitting 20 feet away, you're going to notice if the image is upscaled or not.

The onyl way you won't be able to tell is if the screen si really small or you're sitting really far away. As in, far away enough for you to be missing out on the advatages of 1080p when the relative size of your screen comes into play.

Now, if Wasdie would have said: "Average Joe console gamer don't care", then he wouldn't come off as a numbskull. I would agree with him.

But that don't mean there isn't a difference.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Is Battlefield Premium worth it and required to get the full experience? I have a hard justifying paying full price of another game just for DLC. I know first expansion comes free with preorders, but what happens after that. Plus I think Premium members get all kinds of XP and bonus perks from the start.

StrongBlackVine

Premium gives you all the DLC expansions, and you will have early access two weeks before release. And you will get exclusive double xp weekends.  And then there are extra cammos and then for BF4 they have these battlepacks which contain extra character/weapon customization unlocks.

You also get priority position in server queues, but that's not really that great since there are a lot of available servers

What percentage of BF players would say get Premium? Is with worth it to you?

I can safely say that the majority of people who continue to play BF3 today have premium. There has been a wave of non-premium members since the Origin sale though.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

lostrib

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

Kinthalis

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

okay, it was still a stupid statment

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

New consoles are MAX 1080p.

WAY to low resolution.

Coupled with the fact that witin 1 year the average PC will obliterate them hardware wise.

 

Unfortunately there are still people living off their parents dole, so consoles will sell.

Kinthalis

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

Bullshit. Wipeout on the PS3 is native 1080p and 60fps. 

Yes the vast majority of PS3/360 games aren't 1080p, but there are a handful that are and that number will drastically change with the next gen consoles. Don't base the power of these consoles on the handful of launch window titles as the first revision of a game engine on new hardware with an immature API is always rocky.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

You just added yourself to a list of "elitists" that Wasdie has under his pillow. 

 

Because there's NO DIFFERENCE between an upscaled image ona  TV and one ona monitor. upscaled si upscaled, and the result is always a BLURRY image.

 

People notice, Wasdie, even people not on your little list. Just chekc out recent reviews of current gen console games, and many will point out the blurriness due to low rez. It's not just me.

 

Kinthalis

you generally sit farther from a TV than a monitor

Unless you're sitting 20 feet away, you're going to notice if the image is upscaled or not.

The onyl way you won't be able to tell is if the screen si really small or you're sitting really far away. As in, far away enough for you to be missing out on the advatages of 1080p when the relative size of your screen comes into play.

Now, if Wasdie would have said: "Average Joe console gamer don't care", then he wouldn't come off as a numbskull. I would agree with him.

But that don't mean there isn't a difference.

pretty sure Wasdie said that on a large 50" TV you will notice it, but on a smaller 32" TV you wont notice unless you sit very close

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

lostrib

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

okay, it was still a stupid statment

What was?  That 1080p resolution is too low?  I agree with that. I'm never going back down from 1440p. If anything I'll probably go up to 1600p in a couple of years. So I don't think that's a stupid statement.

The last bit, about console gamers not being able to afford gaming PC's?

Yeah, that's a silly generalization, but this IS system wars, right? It's not like consolites don't do the same thing pretty uch in EVERY single thread. Do you call them out too?

''cause that must be exausting.

I guess we can say... Xbox Won? 

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

most PC gamers don't play above 1080p either

Wasdie

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

Bullshit. Wipeout on the PS3 is native 1080p and 60fps. 

Yes the vast majority of PS3/360 games aren't 1080p, but there are a handful that are and that number will drastically change with the next gen consoles. Don't base the power of these consoles on the handful of launch window titles as the first revision of a game engine on new hardware with an immature API is always rocky.

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

you generally sit farther from a TV than a monitor

lostrib

Unless you're sitting 20 feet away, you're going to notice if the image is upscaled or not.

The onyl way you won't be able to tell is if the screen si really small or you're sitting really far away. As in, far away enough for you to be missing out on the advatages of 1080p when the relative size of your screen comes into play.

Now, if Wasdie would have said: "Average Joe console gamer don't care", then he wouldn't come off as a numbskull. I would agree with him.

But that don't mean there isn't a difference.

pretty sure Wasdie said that on a large 50" TV you will notice it, but on a smaller 32" TV you wont notice unless you sit very close

So which is it? Is there, or isn't there a difference? 

I'm never going back down from 1440p. If anything I'll probably go up to 1600p in a couple of years. So I don't think that's a stupid statement.

 

Kinthalis

You're never going back to playing any of the classics?  Super Metroid is in 480p and looks godly. :|

[spoiler] :P but really though... [/spoiler]

 

 

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

Kinthalis

Why is it that BF4 topic get you so mad.?

Maybe is the fact that you got banned on Neogaf for trolling on a BF4 with your PC arguments..:lol:

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

Kinthalis

I'm not replying to the original post, I'm responding to the replies here.

The hardware is more well known to devs because of the x86 instruction set, but the API on the PS4 at is brand new, and the whole architecture of the system is unique. Depsite what people say, they aren't just off-the-shelf PC components slapped together. It's all custom hardware based upon existing hardware all fitted together in its own way. Sony's first x86 machine with a modern GPU, unified RAM, and an AMD architecture. Remember devs on the consoles work on a lower level than they do on the PC so these changes are going to make a massive difference. It will take awhlie for devs to learn how to get the hardware working efficiently. I'll guarentee you right now there is a lot of waste going on, especially if they are coming from the PS3/360.

So which is it? Is there, or isn't there a difference? 

Kinthalis

I never said there wasn't a difference. That's just something you implied from what I said. 

I specifically said at under 32 inches it becomes more difficult to see the differences between native and upscaled but at 50 inches it becomes much more noticeable. All about pixel density and relative viewspace of the screen from where the person is looking. Then there is also a lot to do with how good the upscaling is, is the game utilizing proper AA methods for upscaling, and then the quality of the screen.

There is a difference, but to the vast majority of console gamers it doesn't matter. It really shouldn't matter to you either as you'll never play on a console to begin with.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

 

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

tormentos

Why is it that BF4 topic get you so mad.?

Maybe is the fact that you got banned on Neogaf for trolling on a BF4 with your PC arguments..:lol:

I'm not mad.

Why do you keep bringing up NeoGaf? Are you cyber stalking me or something?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

Wasdie

I'm not replying to the original post, I'm responding to the replies here.

The hardware is more well known to devs because of the x86 instruction set, but the API on the PS4 at is brand new, and the whole architecture of the system is unique. Depsite what people say, they aren't just off-the-shelf PC components slapped together. It's all custom hardware based upon existing hardware all fitted together in its own way. Sony's first x86 machine with a modern GPU, unified RAM, and an AMD architecture. Remember devs on the consoles work on a lower level than they do on the PC so these changes are going to make a massive difference. It will take awhlie for devs to learn how to get the hardware working efficiently. I'll guarentee you right now there is a lot of waste going on, especially if they are coming from the PS3/360.

They understand the API plenty well. Or they wouldn't eb abel to make a game like BF4 run on the darn things. And consoles only work at a lower level when it comes to the GPU. memory and management and working with the CPU is basically identical on the PC.

And no magic API is ever going to make new GPU cores or texture processing units, or tessellation units, or shader units grow.

In 3 years, you'll see more compute based particles and possibly pathfinding/AI routines being run on the GPU (or atleast some facets of that). That's it. Not much will change, and most new titles will be 1080p 30 FPS or sub 1080p at 60.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

So which is it? Is there, or isn't there a difference? 

Wasdie

I never said there wasn't a difference. That's just something you implied from what I said. 

I specifically said at under 32 inches it becomes more difficult to see the differences between native and upscaled but at 50 inches it becomes much more noticeable. All about pixel density and relative viewspace of the screen from where the person is looking. Then there is also a lot to do with how good the upscaling is, is the game utilizing proper AA methods for upscaling, and then the quality of the screen.

There is a difference, but to the vast majority of console gamers it doesn't matter. It really shouldn't matter to you either as you'll never play on a console to begin with.

Console resolutions only matter to me in so much as they tend to elicit a chuckle. However, this is system wars. I believe the motto here is: make fun of other guy's system.... right? Maybe I'm in the PS4 forum by mistake...

720p in 2013 needs to gtfo

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

No, but milions DO. And millions more WILL. Where as 0 console gamers do, and 0 will. Atleast not until next-next gen. Maybe.

Kinthalis

Bullshit. Wipeout on the PS3 is native 1080p and 60fps. 

Yes the vast majority of PS3/360 games aren't 1080p, but there are a handful that are and that number will drastically change with the next gen consoles. Don't base the power of these consoles on the handful of launch window titles as the first revision of a game engine on new hardware with an immature API is always rocky.

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

1080p is the standard for TV now so how is that resolution too low for gaming consoles?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Bullshit. Wipeout on the PS3 is native 1080p and 60fps. 

Yes the vast majority of PS3/360 games aren't 1080p, but there are a handful that are and that number will drastically change with the next gen consoles. Don't base the power of these consoles on the handful of launch window titles as the first revision of a game engine on new hardware with an immature API is always rocky.

StrongBlackVine

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

1080p is the standard for TV now so how is that resolution too low for gaming consoles?

He is obviously NOT a console gamer. 

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

The hardware and software is well known to developers. If you think you're going to see a vast improvement over launch titles then you don't know anythign abotu modern rasterizaiton. 

 

And re-read the original post. He is NOT saying that consoles are always sub HD. He is simpy stating that he personally thinks 1080p is too low a rez in this day and age. 

Readin comprehension fail?

Kinthalis

1080p is the standard for TV now so how is that resolution too low for gaming consoles?

He is obviously NOT a console gamer. 

I know that, but I was still getting the impression that he was saying consoles should run games at a higher resolution that 1080p. I just skimmed through so I may have misinterpreted the discussion.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

1080p is the standard for TV now so how is that resolution too low for gaming consoles?

StrongBlackVine

He is obviously NOT a console gamer. 

I know that, but I was still getting the impression that he was saying consoles should run games at a higher resolution that 1080p. I just skimmed through so I may have misinterpreted the discussion.

Well, 4K TV's ARE becoming more mainstream. I wouldn't be suprised if we start seeing people upgrading to them in 5 years time. But it wouldn't make sense to make consoles capable of 4K gaming. They would be the size of full towers!