Battlefield games are incredibly overrated.

They are kind of like the halo vehicle maps where its a good time for messing around, but not in the least bit competitive.

I always hear about this fabled teamwork... but mostly it seems to boil down to if if anyone is willing to play as a medic and click on dead teammates (which isnt some sort of massive skill feat).

Its not played as a competitive esport, and if you listen to the radio chatter on something like 4v4 halo tournaments, the teams are infinitely better at communicating.

Battlefield is probably the most casual of all the fps games, i dont know why people think its some amazingly competitive online game... its slow, and overpopulated to the point where half the time you are killing someone that doesnt even know you are there. I have done my best to try to understand the love affair and watch youtube incredible skill videos (which dont exist). But half the time the people that are being shot at dont know whos shooting them because there are just so many enemies on screen.

Its not some sort of fps, where you need to be vigilant with your sound cues, super quick with your aim and in constant communication with your teammates to succeed.. Its easily the most casual of any fps game in recent memory.

Battlefield is probably the most casual of all the fps games, i dont know why people think its some amazingly competitive online game... its slow, and overpopulated to the point where half the time you are killing someone that doesnt even know you are there. I have done my best to try to understand the love affair and watch youtube incredible skill videos (which dont exist). But half the time the people that are being shot at dont know whos shooting them because there are just so many enemies on screen.

Its not some sort of fps, where you need to be vigilant with your sound cues, super quick with your aim and in constant communication with your teammates to succeed.. Its easily the most casual of any fps game in recent memory.

markinthedark

I... I don't even know where to begin...

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?

Most casual FPS in recent memory? What have you been playing???

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?bleehum

They are kind of like the halo vehicle maps where its a good time for messing around, but not in the least bit competitive.

I always hear about this fabled teamwork... but mostly it seems to boil down to if if anyone is willing to play as a medic and click on dead teammates (which isnt some sort of massive skill feat).

Its not played as a competitive esport, and if you listen to the radio chatter on something like 4v4 halo tournaments, the teams are infinitely better at communicating.

Battlefield is probably the most casual of all the fps games, i dont know why people think its some amazingly competitive online game... its slow, and overpopulated to the point where half the time you are killing someone that doesnt even know you are there. I have done my best to try to understand the love affair and watch youtube incredible skill videos (which dont exist). But half the time the people that are being shot at dont know whos shooting them because there are just so many enemies on screen.

Its not some sort of fps, where you need to be vigilant with your sound cues, super quick with your aim and in constant communication with your teammates to succeed.. Its easily the most casual of any fps game in recent memory.

markinthedark

Bold: You clearly missed the point of Battlefield. Games like UT or Quake focus more on amazing reflexes and quick movements. Battlefield doesn't.

Italics: What the hell? There's a little thing called situational awareness. It helps.

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?DarkLink77

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?

bleehum

its a frustrating aspect of alot of FPS... but when you manage to fight your way out of that spawn camp single handedly, damn it feels good to be a gangster ;)

but if you are talking balance, any fps with helicopters and tanks isnt balanced. Unless you say "well everyone has the ability to get vehicles" well everyone has the ability to spawn camp as well.

What I though when i read this.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

They are kind of like the halo vehicle maps where its a good time for messing around, but not in the least bit competitive.

I always hear about this fabled teamwork... but mostly it seems to boil down to if if anyone is willing to play as a medic and click on dead teammates (which isnt some sort of massive skill feat).

Its not played as a competitive esport, and if you listen to the radio chatter on something like 4v4 halo tournaments, the teams are infinitely better at communicating.

Battlefield is probably the most casual of all the fps games, i dont know why people think its some amazingly competitive online game... its slow, and overpopulated to the point where half the time you are killing someone that doesnt even know you are there. I have done my best to try to understand the love affair and watch youtube incredible skill videos (which dont exist). But half the time the people that are being shot at dont know whos shooting them because there are just so many enemies on screen.

Its not some sort of fps, where you need to be vigilant with your sound cues, super quick with your aim and in constant communication with your teammates to succeed.. Its easily the most casual of any fps game in recent memory.

rpgs_shall_rule

Bold: You clearly missed the point of Battlefield. Games like UT or Quake focus more on amazing reflexes and quick movements. Battlefield doesn't.

Italics: What the hell? There's a little thing called situational awareness. It helps.

i find COD games to be alot more based on situational awareness with all the campers and smaller spaces. But campers in COD have a tougher time without 64 players on each map providing plenty of target practice.

And there it is, the first of many, as soon as the general population of an area agree that one thing is the best you get unwarranted hate towards it. Lets all just lol at him, move on and try not to feed the future trolls/haters.

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?

markinthedark

its a frustrating aspect of alot of FPS... but when you manage to fight your way out of that spawn camp single handedly, damn it feels good to be a gangster ;)

but if you are talking balance, any fps with helicopters and tanks isnt balanced. Unless you say "well everyone has the ability to get vehicles" well everyone has the ability to spawn camp as well.

bleh. I love battlefield series to be honest, only one I didn't like that much was BC1 and Heroes and to be fair that wasn't really meant for serious fans.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

So games where you spawn and run into an instant death trap = hardcore?

tomarlyn

its a frustrating aspect of alot of FPS... but when you manage to fight your way out of that spawn camp single handedly, damn it feels good to be a gangster ;)

but if you are talking balance, any fps with helicopters and tanks isnt balanced. Unless you say "well everyone has the ability to get vehicles" well everyone has the ability to spawn camp as well.

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes... and as long as everyone isnt labotomized they can figure out the general idea of what to do.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

its a frustrating aspect of alot of FPS... but when you manage to fight your way out of that spawn camp single handedly, damn it feels good to be a gangster ;)

but if you are talking balance, any fps with helicopters and tanks isnt balanced. Unless you say "well everyone has the ability to get vehicles" well everyone has the ability to spawn camp as well.

markinthedark

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

Battlefield games I agree take less skill in pugs. But if you're playing with a clan there is alot of room for strategy. As a pick up and play game BF2 is absoultly horrible imo.i5750at4Ghz

you regularly manage to team up with a 32 player team or do you just do 4 player team deathmatches?

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

its a frustrating aspect of alot of FPS... but when you manage to fight your way out of that spawn camp single handedly, damn it feels good to be a gangster ;)

but if you are talking balance, any fps with helicopters and tanks isnt balanced. Unless you say "well everyone has the ability to get vehicles" well everyone has the ability to spawn camp as well.

markinthedark

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes... and as long as everyone isnt labotomized they can figure out the general idea of what to do.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

I have a friend who makes the same argument with CSS - and I understand where he (and you) are coming from.

And yet ... I am using situational awareness, knowing the map, knowing the gun, and doing really well on maps usually (the balmer curve hurts but ... meh).

So its a matter of taste; if you like the close personal combat play on smaller servers, it changes the game into what you are looking for.

BF is not casual, and absolutely take skill - more so than the games you mentioned. But for true competition I see where you are coming from.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]Battlefield games I agree take less skill in pugs. But if you're playing with a clan there is alot of room for strategy. As a pick up and play game BF2 is absoultly horrible imo.markinthedark

you regularly manage to team up with a 32 player team or do you just do 4 player team deathmatches?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Thats what engineer's are for though, to take down vehicles. Everyone has their job, thats part of the teamwork.haberman13

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes... and as long as everyone isnt labotomized they can figure out the general idea of what to do.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

I have a friend who makes the same argument with CSS - and I understand where he (and you) are coming from.

And yet ... I am using situational awareness, knowing the map, knowing the gun, and doing really well on maps usually (the balmer curve hurts but ... meh).

So its a matter of taste; if you like the close personal combat play on smaller servers, it changes the game into what you are looking for.

BF is not casual, and absolutely take skill - more so than the games you mentioned. But for true competition I see where you are coming from.

Lets put it this way, if you guys both switched games for a week, who do you think would be doing better at the end of the week?

Someone coming from a CSS background with really good communication, and insane reflexes and aiming... im guessing would trasition into a battlefield game fairly easily.

However, i dont think the battlefield skills would transition well to the CSS environment. So i think i agree with your friend :P

Doh ho ho ho. Call BF a casual series then say Halo and COD take more team work and skill. Oh you.Ace6301

im willing to be wrong, show me a video of a battlefield team working like a well oiled machine together... then ill show you a halo or cod team working together... and we can see which team has better teamwork and skill.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes... and as long as everyone isnt labotomized they can figure out the general idea of what to do.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

markinthedark

I have a friend who makes the same argument with CSS - and I understand where he (and you) are coming from.

And yet ... I am using situational awareness, knowing the map, knowing the gun, and doing really well on maps usually (the balmer curve hurts but ... meh).

So its a matter of taste; if you like the close personal combat play on smaller servers, it changes the game into what you are looking for.

BF is not casual, and absolutely take skill - more so than the games you mentioned. But for true competition I see where you are coming from.

Lets put it this way, if you guys both switched games for a week, who do you think would be doing better at the end of the week?

Someone coming from a CSS background with really good communication, and insane reflexes and aiming... im guessing would trasition into a battlefield game fairly easily.

However, i dont think the battlefield skills would transition well to the CSS environment. So i think i agree with your friend :P

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Doh ho ho ho. Call BF a casual series then say Halo and COD take more team work and skill. Oh you.markinthedark

im willing to be wrong, show me a video of a battlefield team working like a well oiled machine together... then ill show you a halo or cod team working together... and we can see which team has better teamwork and skill.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

I have a friend who makes the same argument with CSS - and I understand where he (and you) are coming from.

And yet ... I am using situational awareness, knowing the map, knowing the gun, and doing really well on maps usually (the balmer curve hurts but ... meh).

So its a matter of taste; if you like the close personal combat play on smaller servers, it changes the game into what you are looking for.

BF is not casual, and absolutely take skill - more so than the games you mentioned. But for true competition I see where you are coming from.

i5750at4Ghz

Lets put it this way, if you guys both switched games for a week, who do you think would be doing better at the end of the week?

Someone coming from a CSS background with really good communication, and insane reflexes and aiming... im guessing would trasition into a battlefield game fairly easily.

However, i dont think the battlefield skills would transition well to the CSS environment. So i think i agree with your friend :P

Tough call, i think CS is the easier game personally... but it has a really dedicated fanbase.

Thats the main reason i dont discount COD players, is because even though i think the game is alot slower, and easier for cheese than alot of other fps games... the fanbase is so dedicated that those top guys are probably pretty ridiculous.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Thats what engineer's are for though, to take down vehicles. Everyone has their job, thats part of the teamwork.tomarlyn

why because they have anti vehicle weapons? thats not massive skills, thats rock paper scissor classes. You dont even need to communicate, you just need a proper mix of classes.

In games like COD and halo at the high level you have to be constantly calling out targets and locations and have constant communication with your team. Its not like "ok one of us picks SMG class, one assault rifle, one sniper.... lets do this!"

I dont know... because i could never invest heavily in any BF game. It was slow as molasses, and i would outshoot people in my sleep. Do you even need to shoot down the chopper, you just sit in a bush and kill people all day.

and i own 3 of them, one i borrowed. But played 4 in total.

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="markinthedark"] And how many times have you taken down a hellicopter with less than 2 or 3 attempts? Good players don't need a rolling commentary to know what to do or where to be. Do you realise you can spot targets for other players to see?markinthedark

I dont know... because i could never invest heavily in any BF game. It was slow as molasses, and i would outshoot people in my sleep. Do you even need to shoot down the chopper, you just sit in a bush and kill people all day.

and i own 3 of them, one i borrowed. But played 4 in total.

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

slimjimbadboy

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] And how many times have you taken down a hellicopter with less than 2 or 3 attempts? Good players don't need a rolling commentary to know what to do or where to be. Do you realise you can spot targets for other players to see?Ace6301

I dont know... because i could never invest heavily in any BF game. It was slow as molasses, and i would outshoot people in my sleep. Do you even need to shoot down the chopper, you just sit in a bush and kill people all day.

and i own 3 of them, one i borrowed. But played 4 in total.

does anyone of this require anything more than selecting the proper weapon and simple aiming? because if selecting a weapon and aiming is all it takes... im pretty sure any other fps player could handle the task.

Pretty sure people shoot down choppers in COD alot.

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

markinthedark

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

does anyone of this require anything more than selecting the proper weapon and simple aiming? because if selecting a weapon and aiming is all it takes... im pretty sure any other fps player could handle the task.

Pretty sure people shoot down choppers in COD alot.

markinthedark

"I'm a console player and am pissed that consoles get the dumbed down version of BF3." That's what I took away from this. millerlight89

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

I dont know... because i could never invest heavily in any BF game. It was slow as molasses, and i would outshoot people in my sleep. Do you even need to shoot down the chopper, you just sit in a bush and kill people all day.

and i own 3 of them, one i borrowed. But played 4 in total.

markinthedark

does anyone of this require anything more than selecting the proper weapon and simple aiming? because if selecting a weapon and aiming is all it takes... im pretty sure any other fps player could handle the task.

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

markinthedark

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]"I'm a console player and am pissed that consoles get the dumbed down version of BF3." That's what I took away from this. antifanboyftw

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

Ace6301

does anyone of this require anything more than selecting the proper weapon and simple aiming? because if selecting a weapon and aiming is all it takes... im pretty sure any other fps player could handle the task.

Pretty sure people shoot down choppers in COD alot.

markinthedark

I have played them, they just werent good. And most of the time was driving some vehicle to get wheree i need to be to evein begin shooting people.

So what is your argument, is it that BF players are better at aiming than other fps players? because thats easily tested in a more aim centric fps.

Or is it the teamwork thing? which could easily be shown by linking me a video of a top BF team playing?

or is the super BF skill something that cant be quantified with modern day science?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

i5750at4Ghz

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

thats actually interesting, im not gonna lie... i didnt think it would be possible. Are there gameplay videos? or is it more of an elaborate lan party?

just seems like with so many teammates it would end up in chaos.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="markinthedark"] Hmmm...that's funny because I seem to remember being in a 2142 competitive league season. [QUOTE="markinthedark"]

does anyone of this require anything more than selecting the proper weapon and simple aiming? because if selecting a weapon and aiming is all it takes... im pretty sure any other fps player could handle the task.

Pretty sure people shoot down choppers in COD alot.

markinthedark

I have played them, they just werent good. And most of the time was driving some vehicle to get wheree i need to be to evein begin shooting people.

So what is your argument, is it that BF players are better at aiming than other fps players? because thats easily tested in a more aim centric fps.

Or is it the teamwork thing? which could easily be shown by linking me a video of a top BF team playing?

or is the super BF skill something that cant be quantified with modern day science?

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

So you compare 'higher lvl' COD and Halo with pub servers of battlefield? WTG

markinthedark

well thats the thing, there is no competitive BF tournaments... because the game isnt suitable for a competitive environment.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Yeah you haven't played them as I thought. Also lol COD choppers. Yeah those things are so hard to shoot down lol.Ace6301

I have played them, they just werent good. And most of the time was driving some vehicle to get wheree i need to be to evein begin shooting people.

So what is your argument, is it that BF players are better at aiming than other fps players? because thats easily tested in a more aim centric fps.

Or is it the teamwork thing? which could easily be shown by linking me a video of a top BF team playing?

or is the super BF skill something that cant be quantified with modern day science?

no, i think in BF 2142 my name was like robot penis or something, lol. I dont remember there being actual stat servers though.

We can jump on quake live right now tho, if you wanna experience my resume ;)

EDIT: well actually my GF will be home in a few, and after i put her to bed ill send you a PM and we can hookup on quake live.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

I have played them, they just werent good. And most of the time was driving some vehicle to get wheree i need to be to evein begin shooting people.

So what is your argument, is it that BF players are better at aiming than other fps players? because thats easily tested in a more aim centric fps.

Or is it the teamwork thing? which could easily be shown by linking me a video of a top BF team playing?

or is the super BF skill something that cant be quantified with modern day science?

markinthedark

no, i think in BF 2142 my name was like robot penis or something, lol. I dont remember there being actual stat servers though.

We can jump on quake live right now tho, if you wanna experience my resume ;)

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Lol Science? You act like a games worth is solely based on the skill needed or existence of a MLG component. Can you link me to your BF account for BC2 or BF2? I want to see if you're actually good enough to actually bother considering those components.Ace6301

no, i think in BF 2142 my name was like robot penis or something, lol. I dont remember there being actual stat servers though.

We can jump on quake live right now tho, if you wanna experience my resume ;)

Meh whatever after i put MY GF to bed ill install 2142 again, if you still have it.