BBC News: Red ring of death returns at GDC 08

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[QUOTE="csliney"]This is a good thing, hear me out though. More coverage of this issue will only force MS to have to sort it out properly and possibly put pressure on them to give even more cover where the RROD is concerned, as consumers the RROD happening at a big conference with press on the scene is what we need, exposure.csliney

This has been a problem since day one,almost TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.Don't you think if MS wanted to fix this once and for all they would have done so already?

The problem with the 360 is that it seems to have a fundamental design flaw which is causing the RRODs,no amount of new SKUs with smaller chips and better airflow is going to sort it .MS need to go for a complete design rethink IMO to wipe this problem out.

Indeed but my point is still valid, why do you think we got 3 years cover for the RROD? because it had so much coverage they had to do something and more exposure is a good thing. The complete redesign you refer to is probably well under way but I don't expect to see it until it appears in the form of next generations xbox.

That could still be a long way off too and who knows if there will be a next xbox.

I still wonder sometimes why people make such a big deal about this. I remember when you had to blow in the cartridges just to get the games to work back in the NES days. Yet no one really complained or made a big deal about it. Oh and sometimes you had to blow in the system itself if blowing in the cartridge didn't work just to get the game to work. I had to do that with almost everygame. Didn't bother me though. The RROD is definitely not a good thing. But there were alot of DRE failures with the ps2 yet no one complained about that. I also believe that i had to buy 3 ps2's cause there was no extended warranty by sony. I called them twice when i had the ps2 and they couldn't help me. People need to remember that. Like some are saying all things break. I've had computers break, printers break, consoles break, tv's break and more. I've had DVD's crack and break on me back when DVD was new. Did i call DVD's cheap plastic crap? No. The only people that make a big deal about this are people that HATE microsoft and support sony. Some of you just had bad luck but even though you say your not doing anything to your system, you probably are. You have to keep dust away from it and keep it very ventilated so the hot air coming out can escape completely and not get stuck behind the system. In the end, the RROD is a problem and if it werent for the great library of games microsoft has right now, i would have gotten rid of my 360 or broken it to look inside and see what the hell is wrong with it. sirk1264

I can remember that, too. I can also remember banging the atari around sometimes when it didnt act like it should, lol... I think we gamers, as a whole, have become much more fickle, and expect much more from our gear these days. But then again, with what we pay for the things, we have the right to do so.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]I still wonder sometimes why people make such a big deal about this. I remember when you had to blow in the cartridges just to get the games to work back in the NES days. Yet no one really complained or made a big deal about it. Oh and sometimes you had to blow in the system itself if blowing in the cartridge didn't work just to get the game to work. I had to do that with almost everygame. Didn't bother me though. The RROD is definitely not a good thing. But there were alot of DRE failures with the ps2 yet no one complained about that. I also believe that i had to buy 3 ps2's cause there was no extended warranty by sony. I called them twice when i had the ps2 and they couldn't help me. People need to remember that. Like some are saying all things break. I've had computers break, printers break, consoles break, tv's break and more. I've had DVD's crack and break on me back when DVD was new. Did i call DVD's cheap plastic crap? No. The only people that make a big deal about this are people that HATE microsoft and support sony. Some of you just had bad luck but even though you say your not doing anything to your system, you probably are. You have to keep dust away from it and keep it very ventilated so the hot air coming out can escape completely and not get stuck behind the system. In the end, the RROD is a problem and if it werent for the great library of games microsoft has right now, i would have gotten rid of my 360 or broken it to look inside and see what the hell is wrong with it. JediRiff

I can remember that, too. I can also remember banging the atari around sometimes when it didnt act like it should, lol... I think we gamers, as a whole, have become much more fickle, and expect much more from our gear these days. But then again, with what we pay for the things, we have the right to do so.

Because dust isn't RRODing you.. catridges were just getting dusty hence you had to blow them. Also this is supposed to be a joke. If can you can't get one to you are using to demonstrate things working what about the average consumer? I just goes to show the extent of the RROD problem.

I love how one 360 dies at GDC and the cows go crazy out of the barn, then again maybe they are still hurting from when phil harrison compared Halo 3 to Killzone 2....APOLLOCJD

gotta love thislemming

Did cows fail to see that it appears to be enclosed inside of a case? PS3 has done the same thing when enclosed before.Patriot298

Yep my 360 RROD because i had it in an enclosed case.. Yes blame the case and not the POS hardware.

*facepalm* @ microsoft.

Glad my 360 works fine :D

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It's in an acrylic case with improper ventilation. When I used to work at Best Buy the 360 AND THE PS3 would both lock up all the damn time. It's a giant pain in the rear too, because we would turn the TV off to indicate not to use it, but customers would turn it on and ask why it was broken.

Again though, same thing happens to the PS3 when you put it in a confined plastic box.

subrosian

Lmao. Ignorant luck of the customers, I take it?

Customers generally fall into two kinds of ignorant. The first are genuinely innocent people who are simply confused by the systems on the market. They have honest question - what games work on this system? will it work with my old games? how much is it? what accessories do I need?

The second category are typically teenagers and twenty-somethings who want to spout "knowledge" at you, which makes you understand where a lot of the hate you see on System Wars comes from.

The coolest customer I ever ran into was a middle-aged man who wanted to get a 360 because of how primal it was. He was the kind of guy who should have had a career hunting big game animals or something, built like a grizzly bear, hell of a wife, and he was like "this is what we (men) are wired for - blood, lust, hunting, killing, violence - not these damn office jobs".

Coolest reason I can think of to buy a 360, but maybe that kind of honest conversation sounds crazy on a forum, but I had to agree - maybe we're playing games like Halo because somewhere deep in our brain we're wired for "the hunt".

Honestly I'll never work in that side of the gaming industry again - partially because it would be a massive pay cut at this point, and partially because there are just too many sad kids in the industry. The people I liked the most were the older generation, 30 and 40 somethings, wanting their gaming fix - you wouldn't believe the number of affluent middle-aged women who are getting into gaming if I told you - you have to see it for yourself.

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Long story short though, and I'm simply telling you all this so you understand that a few years ago I was there, I know how these things work, and the demo units absolutely suck. I don't know who you blame, but it's not the same console in the demo units that you're getting when you buy the system. It's some nightmarish thing that has all kinds of problems - PS3 demo units too.

Of course people aren't going to listen, they're going to go on whatever assumptions they had reading into this, but for those who do have a genuine interest in the truth - go to any Best Buy, ask the department manager to verify my story about the demo units being a pain in the rear - some of them will gladly share.

Fantastic post. Anyone trying to say this post was damage control will look like a blithering idiot to everyone here on the forums thats familiar with subrosians posts.

Speaking of which, I really like the way that gentleman put it to you about why he likes the 360. Im going to start calling my Xbox my "primal place". :D

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[QUOTE="Patriot298"]Did cows fail to see that it appears to be enclosed inside of a case? PS3 has done the same thing when enclosed before.Patriot298

Yep my 360 RROD because i had it in an enclosed case.. Yes blame the case and not the POS hardware.

Look, I'm not saying the 360's hardware is golden. Anyone with some normal mental functions would clearly know the 360 has issues. As a matter a fact some of my lemming brothers get a little upset with me when I tell them on-line that the 360 design is crap and I'm waiting for the 3 red lights again. However putting it in a enclosed case will really cause it to over heat quick.

Alrite, that's fair enough, I'm still mad my 360 RROD. NG2!!! noooooooo!!

That's embarrassing, but, thing's break you know. =pTNOFTG

i find it amazing how people are ok with this

Well I guess this answers the question about the newer model 360 still having the problem HarlockJC

What newer model?

I'm not feeling well today and when I saw this video, I still didn't feel good.

If the 360 was burning and about to explode then, hell yes, I'll feel 10 times better.