Besides Certain RPG's, Is Everything PC Gets Console Ports ?

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Anyone can pull the preference card, a Wii owner could pull the preference card with 360 and PS3.

When doing comparisons all you can really do is put preference aside and look at the facts; and the facts say PC has more A-AAA rated games.

Bebi_vegeta

Which could be said the exact same thing about any console...

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This list speaks for itself.

ThatGuyFromB4

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] I wasn't arguing, but some people got too worked up over the troll and started think anyone who doesn't drool over that list must be stupid. To some people who like console games (not halo/madden frat boys) that list is still meh.Nerkcon

Which could be said the exact same thing about any console...

Well when you do a thread about "PC has no games/dying topic" what do you expect?

Now, you can't say they're not the one not being subjective... just look at the topic.

Consoles ruined a lot of the best PC FPS franchises...but beyond that PC is still far from a niche system. That is ,of course, unless you consider shooters and sports games the only genres worth playing. :roll:

How quickly people forget that the PC has far more exclusives than consoles.

Oh lawd, what is up with all these consolities bashing on the PC? Did their system YLOD or RROD? : D

It's more like console games are PC ports since games are developed on PCs.

my personal most anticipated:

point and click adventure "the whispered world" PC only :x

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]Bunch of games I can't play and I feel opinionated enough to say no one cares about.

ThatGuyFromB4

fixin'.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]Bunch of games I can't play and I feel opinionated enough to say no one cares about.

ThatGuyFromB4

fixin'.

Soooo, you just planning on ignoring all the really good games on the list? Good plan, your argument kind of falls apart if you don't.sam_nintendo

You have to remember console gaming is mass market gaming; and the mass market learn about their games from mainstream sources. Mainstream sources meaning places that are paid to hype and promote games to manufacture their popularity.

Basically unless someone paid for it to appear on TV or in a popular magazine; it cannot be a good game :roll:

Note Sins, which didn't spend a penny on marketing, scored AAA.

[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"]Soooo, you just planning on ignoring all the really good games on the list? Good plan, your argument kind of falls apart if you don't.AnnoyedDragon

You have to remember console gaming is mass market gaming; and the mass market learn about their games from mainstream sources. Mainstream sources meaning places that are paid to hype and promote games to manufacture their popularity.

Basically unless someone paid for it to appear on TV or in a popular magazine; it cannot be a good game :roll:

Note Sins, which didn't spend a penny on marketing, scored AAA.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]I think my platforms have lost their exclusives. I'd guess PC retains the most, with the RTS genre - although they are starting to leak onto console as wellGhoX

Notice how most PC guys always list there PC hardware specs as there sig, it's like there trying to convince us console guys that they meet the

" Minimum System Requirements " which is the PC's own plague. All console games work on there particular consoles, we never have to worry about system requirements or the constant patches and updates PC games get plagued with as well.

My guess is by next gen the consoles will be the complete gaming preference and PC gaming will be phased out, there's just no where near the fanbase for PC that there is consoles.

I'm just glad my exclusives aren't limited to a bunch of obscure niche indie games. Not saying they're not good games. Different strokes for different folks. PC gaming was better when exclusives like Half Life 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 were a regular thing, not an extreme rarity.

ThatGuyFromB4

You are criticising PC for not being like the old days, yet not a word on consoles? Last I checked the cross platform orientation of this generation affects both PC and consoles. Most big budget and high profile games today are cross platform, it's not like the old days on either platform.

The only differentiating factor to make consoles seem like they are doing better; is that both Sony and Microsoft are pouring 10s of millions of their own financial reserve into acquiring and creating exclusives for their platforms. Without that consoles would have to fend for themselves; and from what I see they wouldn't stand much of a chance.

The fact that PC gaming still maintains a exclusive lead over consoles DESPITE not receiving a penny of financial aid is a testament to the strength and popularity of the platform. PC gaming has seen many console generations come and go, the platform has stood the test of time. Seeing how MS and Sony are having to provide constant financial aid to keep their platforms afloat right now; let's see how consoles survive the next generation or so?

If people like the TC actually spent the time looking for the games that exist, and less time trying to downplay the PC as a gaming platform, this thread wouldn't have been necessary. Ironically, console-only gamers tend to think PC has "only console ports" and yet it has the highest variety and most games exclusive to the platform.

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]No, yours is, actually. I assume you've heard the saying "quality over quantity"?foxhound_fox

Well did you ever ask yourself why that is ? If PC's are so great and so popular, and they have all this power and great graphics, then why do the majority of websites like Gamespot and IGN review more console games then PC games.

PC is supposed to be the best choice according to all you PC gamers, so again why is that ? I'll be happy to tell you, First of all consoles play all the games that are made for it without having to worry about " Minimum System Requirements ".

Secondly with PC's you have to deal with constant patches and updates for various games which takes as long as 15 minutes to a half an hour.

Third Developers can't rely on who has a new or older PC, because to have a new gaming PC costs in excess of between $500 to $800, anything less would risk not being able to run certain games like Crysis.

Finally regardless of what most PC gamers think the consoles have the best controller interface, and hook up to big screen TV's the easiest, so there you have it, the primary reasons consoles receive the abundance of media and dev attention from in the gaming universe.

Uh Oh, sounds like someone's a little jealous that there little PC platform isn't receiving the media attention that consoles and console games do...sad really.RPG-explorer

Why is it console gamers like to boast about mainstream interest, as a result of their low cost and accessibility, then complain when they get treated like children by developers? Casualization/dumbing down goes hand in hand with being a mass audience product, the broader the audience; the more accessible you have to be.

In case you haven't noticed; most console developers have sold out, there are more developers remaining PC exclusive than console exclusive. That's what happens when you are constantly aiming to target as big a audience as possible, leaving platform exclusivity is only natural in that environment.

Quite frankly I think the console business model is being phased out, mainstream developers want to access as big a audience as possible; and consoles segment the market between multiple platforms. Developers have spoken by making one size fits all games, they want a single platform market, the DVD player equivalent of a console.

Of course that isn't in Microsoft's and Sony's interests, but it is going to get increasingly harder for them to fight back as costs continue to rise and bigger audiences are needed.

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]

I'm just glad my exclusives aren't limited to a bunch of obscure niche indie games. Not saying they're not good games. Different strokes for different folks. PC gaming was better when exclusives like Half Life 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 were a regular thing, not an extreme rarity.

AnnoyedDragon

You are criticising PC for not being like the old days, yet not a word on consoles? Last I checked the cross platform orientation of this generation affects both PC and consoles. Most big budget and high profile games today are cross platform, it's not like the old days on either platform.

Did I miss it when Halo, Mario, Zelda, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Forza, Gears of War, Killzone, ect went multiplatform? There are still tons of big budget exclusives being released on consoles, the same can't be said about PC.

The only differentiating factor to make consoles seem like they are doing better; is that both Sony and Microsoft are pouring 10s of millions of their own financial reserve into acquiring and creating exclusives for their platforms. Without that consoles would have to fend for themselves; and from what I see they wouldn't stand much of a chance.AnnoyedDragon

Why "seem"? That's exactly why consoles are doing better.

The fact that PC gaming still maintains a exclusive lead over consoles DESPITE not receiving a penny of financial aid is a testament to the strength and popularity of the platform. PC gaming has seen many console generations come and go, the platform has stood the test of time. Seeing how MS and Sony are having to provide constant financial aid to keep their platforms afloat right now; let's see how consoles survive the next generation or so?AnnoyedDragon

It's more like a testament to how far PC has fallen actually, going from Half Life 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to Vacation Mogul. Take 5 of those little obscure indie games and they don't equal even one Halo: Reach or Uncharted 2. And I think you're confused, consoles have ALWAYS relied on exclusives, what exactly do you think is going to change about that next gen?

Did I miss it when Halo, Mario, Zelda, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Forza, Gears of War, Killzone, ect went multiplatform? There are still tons of big budget exclusives being released on consoles, the same can't be said about PC.

ThatGuyFromB4

Did I miss it when those games became 3rd party? Pretty much all of those are 1st or 2nd party games; and hence have zero choice on what platforms they are released on.

Console games that do have a choice have gone cross platform for the most part. There are of course exceptions, but console games appear to go cross platform a lot more often than PC games.

Why "seem"? That's exactly why consoles are doing better.

ThatGuyFromB4

The last time Sony reported the condition of their Playstation division; they were $4.7 billion in the loss. That's billion, with a B.

Where did all that money go? It's because the 1st party are pumping drastic quantities of money into their platforms to make them popular. They launch their platforms at a loss, they contract and produce big budget games that should go cross platform because of their budget; and they keep them exclusive to one platform.

This generations Playstation and Xbox required a initial investment of billions just to get them in a sustainable condition; and it is costing 10s of millions more to bring exclusive games to the platforms in order to differentiate themselves from the competition.

Does this sound healthy to you? There would literally be little reason to choose one platform over the other if Microsoft and Sony wasn't constantly financing exclusive, this is what I call financial life support, they cannot survive on their own.

Yet here is a platform that hasn't received a penny of support pushing the platform; and yet has the most exclusive games. Something is seriously wrong with the console business model, at this rate Playstation and Xbox will lose their ability to differentiate themselves; when the cost to produce these big budget exclusives exceeds the ability of the platforms audience to break even with sales.

It's more like a testament to how far PC has fallen actually, going from Half Life 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to Vacation Mogul. Take 5 of those little obscure indie games and they don't equal even one Halo: Reach or Uncharted 2. And I think you're confused, consoles have ALWAYS relied on exclusives, what exactly do you think is going to change about that next gen?

ThatGuyFromB4

You're living in a unsustainable 1st party generated fantasy land that is going to eventually fall apart. Sure consoles have always had 1st and 2nd party titles, but when have you ever seen anything like this? Or this? Take away the 1st party support; and what's left? There is a difference between producing games to support a platform; and doing it because the platforms very ability to differentiate itself is dependant on it.

Without 1st party funding; 360s and PS3s exclusive line-up would be pathetic. There wouldn't be a Halo Reach or a Uncharted 2, most of the games you would use the argue the value of these platforms wouldn't exist; if it wasn't for the 1st party taking on incredible amounts of financial risk in hope they pay it all off by next gen.

Consoles have become reliant on 1st party financial backing; were as PC has not. Seeing how costs keep getting higher and higher, which platform do you think is the most sustainable? If you weren't biased you would know it is the one that has been around for decades.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This list speaks for itself.

ferret-gamer

In a few posts someone will say "but those are crappy games that no one knows about and no one wants to play", followed by the comment "outside of RTS, MMORPG, flight simulators, milsims, point-and-click adventures, and on on" there's no games on the PC!

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This list speaks for itself.

ThatGuyFromB4

Delivered! :)

I read this after writing my post above!

I'll never get the PC gaming thing, i've never played a PC game and i never had the urge to, consoles were always easier to play and control and in my opinion they been keeping up graphically just fine. So this argument about PC gaming versus console gaming i know will never end but in my opinion it shouldn't even exist, consoles are just better, easier to control, easier to hook up to a TV and faster to load and play, it's a no brainer as far as i can see.RPG-explorer

Good, play on your precious console and stop wasting time in this thread with us crazy PC gamers.

And AnnoyedDragon makes a very good point (when does he not?) about console's success. They look better on the outside but are in more dire straights than you think and the opposite goes for PC, its doing better than most people think.

I'll never get the PC gaming thing, i've never played a PC game and i never had the urge to, consoles were always easier to playand control and in my opinion they been keeping up graphically just fine. So this argument about PC gaming versus console gaming i know will never end but in my opinion it shouldn't even exist, consoles are just better, easier to control, easier to hook up to a TV and faster to load and play, it's a no brainer as far as i can see.RPG-explorer

Can i just ask, if uve never played a PC game like you state, how do you know consoles are easier to play and control. I mean if you haven't experienced both you can't make such a comparision can you?

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]I'll never get the PC gaming thing, i've never played a PC game and i never had the urge to, consoles were always easier to playand control and in my opinion they been keeping up graphically just fine. So this argument about PC gaming versus console gaming i know will never end but in my opinion it shouldn't even exist, consoles are just better, easier to control, easier to hook up to a TV and faster to load and play, it's a no brainer as far as i can see.Snagal123

Can i just ask, if uve never played a PC game like you state, how do you know consoles are easier to play and control. I mean if you haven't experienced both you can't make such a comparision can you?

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

I mean with the exception of a few exclusive RPG's what do PC gamers get that hasn't been ported from a console ?, What do they have that they can call there own ?, especially that Crysis is now coming to PS3.

PC gamers are in here constantly bragging about there superior hardware and graphics, but they get most of their library from our consoles.

There are almost no developers left that start building games for PC, they, in fact save that format for last, and make the console versions first and port them to PC, it's only a rare few RPG's like World of Warcraft, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, and other strategy or RPG titles that get to be PC exclusives.

The rest start on our so called " Inferior Consoles ".

So much for PC gaming.

theseekar

Witcher 2 is already confirmed for consoles, so there is really no RPG that is not coming to consoles

What they DO miss is adventures, like the stellar Whispered World, which thankfully can play on my stunning laptop :)

So i think that says it all...Once PC guys play on consoles PC never stays there preference,if it ever was to begin with.RPG-explorer

I'm sure plenty of the pc focused gamers here have experience with console gaming. This is a novel idea, but maybe there are many gamers who prefer the aspects of pc gaming that seperates it from console gaming.

I dunno. I struggle to find games to play on my PC. I bought Battlefield 2 today ... I suck at it.

So i think that says it all...Once PC guys play on consoles PC never stays there preference,if it ever was to begin with.RPG-explorer

than consider me as an exception to your rule.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]I'll never get the PC gaming thing, i've never played a PC game and i never had the urge to, consoles were always easier to playand control and in my opinion they been keeping up graphically just fine. So this argument about PC gaming versus console gaming i know will never end but in my opinion it shouldn't even exist, consoles are just better, easier to control, easier to hook up to a TV and faster to load and play, it's a no brainer as far as i can see.RPG-explorer

Can i just ask, if uve never played a PC game like you state, how do you know consoles are easier to play and control. I mean if you haven't experienced both you can't make such a comparision can you?

My brother in law was a die hard PC gamer and i used to watch him play games like Heroes of Might & Magic, Baldurs Gate, Diablo 2, Neverwinter Nights, even some Baseball and Football games. Then guess what in 2001 he came over my house while i was playing NFl Fever 2001 on the original Xbox so i let him try it and he commented to me on how nice the graphics were and how much easier it was to control than the keyboard, mouse combo of his PC games, and he went out the very next day and bought himself an Xbox, and he hasn't played PC games since. He currently owns an Xbox 360 with 65 games and he doesn't miss PC gaming in the least, and he was an original PC gamer from the old 800 and Amiga days. I never needed to try his games, i saw them and had no urge to play them , but yet when he saw my football game he had to play it and then run out and buy the system right away. So i think that says it all...Once PC guys play on consoles PC never stays there preference,if it ever was to begin with.RPG-explorer

And I have my nephews who used to be hardcore console gamers but now do the majority of their gaming on the PC ever since they moved on to college. One of them wants to be an engineer and have gotten into X-Plane 9's aircraft maker just to have a feel for aerodynamics. Heck. He now understands it more than I do.

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"] [QUOTE="malikmmm"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"] So i think that says it all...Once PC guys play on consoles PC never stays there preference,if it ever was to begin with._Tobli_

than consider me as an exception to your rule.

me as well.

I wish I hadn't spent so much on consoles this generation. I almost never use them.

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

than consider me as an exception to your rule.

UnknownSniper65

me as well.

I wish I hadn't spent so much on consoles this generation. I almost never use them.

Ditto. Same here.

Although we do have consoles at home (unthinkable not to have any since we have kids), the majority of my gaming is still on the PC.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

jun_aka_pekto

me as well.

I wish I hadn't spent so much on consoles this generation. I almost never use them.

Ditto. Same here.

Although we do have consoles at home (unthinkable not to have any since we have kids), the majority of my gaming is still on the PC.

[...] then why do the majority of websites like Gamespot and IGN review more console games then PC games. [...] RPG-explorer

The pc certainly doesn't get the same amount of variety that it used to when it comes to exclusives. It used to get a lot more single player RPGs and shooters that weren't console ports.

If you look at this year's pc pre-order list you'll notice that most of the games are multiplats.

You can pretty much break pc gaming this year into two groups: multiplats and Blizzard games.

Notice how most PC guys always list there PC hardware specs as there sig, it's like there trying to convince us console guys that they meet the

" Minimum System Requirements " which is the PC's own plague. All console games work on there particular consoles, we never have to worry about system requirements or the constant patches and updates PC games get plagued with as well.

My guess is by next gen the consoles will be the complete gaming preference and PC gaming will be phased out, there's just no where near the fanbase for PC that there is consoles.

RPG-explorer

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

than consider me as an exception to your rule.

UnknownSniper65

me as well.

I wish I hadn't spent so much on consoles this generation. I almost never use them.

Me three. This gen is by far the biggest PC lopsided gen since I started on the NES. The PC has the best multiplats, and most exclusives. How is it not worth owning? Because the 360 and PS3 can run some content almost as good, cheaper? So?

That stops people from playing the "premium" versions because? How is putting a little extra money into something I wanted anyway to have a better technical gaming experience such a contorversial and "wrong" way to play games? Because more people in the USA do it on consoles? Who give's a ****. They can play however they want. So can I. With better tech.

I even prefer the exclusives for consoles. But a really good amount of good games in general are multiplats with PC versions. That is enough justification for me. I own the PS3 for it's exclusives, the Wii for it's exclusives, 360 for Halo and renting games that will be bought on PC if they deserve it. My PC for everything else.

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

Notice how most PC guys always list there PC hardware specs as there sig, it's like there trying to convince us console guys that they meet the

" Minimum System Requirements " which is the PC's own plague. All console games work on there particular consoles, we never have to worry about system requirements or the constant patches and updates PC games get plagued with as well.

My guess is by next gen the consoles will be the complete gaming preference and PC gaming will be phased out, there's just no where near the fanbase for PC that there is consoles.

lowe0

I'll give you two sides to it.

I myself play PC nearly exclusively unless I go to a friends house. I build a PC, and that's that. I never mess with the hardware usually until I feel like building a new PC. I hardly ever tweak, let alone tune :P I spent $600 on my last build, and it plays Crysis, so I'm set till whenever the next graphics king arrives.

But I have a friend that goes all out and will spend upwards of $1000-$1200 or so dollars for his PC, and often he'll buy upgrades to that PC because building PC's is his hobby. I wouldn't ever describe his time spent building PC's as "time he could actually spend playing the game". It's just what he enjoys doing.

Me three. This gen is by far the biggest PC lopsided gen since I started on the NES. The PC has the best multiplats, and most exclusives. Metalscarz

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

me as well.

I wish I hadn't spent so much on consoles this generation. I almost never use them.

Arach666

Ditto. Same here.

Although we do have consoles at home (unthinkable not to have any since we have kids), the majority of my gaming is still on the PC.

Same here, I mostly use it for blu ray player.

[QUOTE="Metalscarz"]Me three. This gen is by far the biggest PC lopsided gen since I started on the NES. The PC has the best multiplats, and most exclusives. dc337

My guess is by next gen the consoles will be the complete gaming preference and PC gaming will be phased out, there's just no where near the fanbase for PC that there is consoles.

RPG-explorer

I'll never get the PC gaming thing, i've never played a PC game and i never had the urge to, consoles were always easier to play and control and in my opinion they been keeping up graphically just fine. So this argument about PC gaming versus console gaming i know will never end but in my opinion it shouldn't even exist, consoles are just better, easier to control, easier to hook up to a TV and faster to load and play, it's a no brainer as far as i can see.RPG-explorer

It's like with books vs movies. Some people prefer books over movies, just like some prefer pcgaming over console one. You obviously do not care about pc games selection, but I for example don't care much for most action games and arcade titles, there's very little adventure, strategy or sim games on consoles, thus the consoles offer nothing that would interest me. In previous two genertions I had consoles to compliment my PCgaming (they took like 10% of my gaming time, but they were nice bonus), but this gen...bleh.... none of the consoles has even 5 games that would I have even small interest in. SO I just dropped console gaming completely and don't feel any urge to change that anytime soon

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]So i think that says it all...Once PC guys play on consoles PC never stays there preference,if it ever was to begin with.AdrianWerner

:D :D :D

See? I can do idiotic statements just as well as you do :D

Seriously, you're full of crap, making up anectodal stories just to try to prove your point. You said your brother in law switched in 2001 and never went back to pcgaming, but you also say you've seen him play Neverwinter Nights, which was released in 2002. :D :D :D

cant the same be said about console gaming..what if you dont like fps/tps and jrpg games... the list will be lackluster..what is the 360 for example have in store..another sequel to halo, gears, etc

devious742

The consoles are getting a lot more big budget exclusives that are dispersed throughout the year. A lot of the interesting pc exclusives are indy games that can be played on any computer. You're just not seeing exclusives like Heavy Rain or Alan Wake on the pc these days.