Best Platformer this gen?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="awdxfv"]Lol at SMG the most overrated platformer :lol: Seriously thought the best 3D ones, this gen, are ME and ACiT, with nuts and bolts a close third. *runs before the sheep arrive* awdxfv

Becaue only sheep like SMG........

They don't even hardly come on this forum anymore.

[QUOTE="awdxfv"]Lol at SMG the most overrated platformer :lol: Seriously thought the best 3D ones, this gen, are ME and ACiT, with nuts and bolts a close third. *runs before the sheep arrive* Mogotoo

ME...you mean Mass Effect :|?

Best Platfomer this gen?

Duh...

New Super Mario Brothers Wii.

How can you argue with this face?

How is R&C TOD a platformer. I remember it consisted of 90 % shooting. and jumping from platform to just shoot more enemies.

How can you argue with this face?

ChiSoxBombers

Awwwww

Braid.

The complete package of art design, plot, platforming elements with time-controlling puzzles was excellent. Both Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii struck me as "been-there-done-that" games that, despite being exceptional in quality, not as striking as Braid.

EDIT: I would also like to mention Mirror's Edge and give it recognition for advancing the 3D FPS platforming genre with its parkour mechanics. Despite being a FPS/platformer hybrid (and not a full-blown platformer, somewhat similar to Metroid Prime in this respect), it was an exceptional game that really broke the mold when it came to controlling a character in first-person.

3-D- Super Mario Galaxy

2-D- LittleBigPlanet

Any questions?

And don't ask which one's better comparing 2-D platformers to 3-D is like comparing sex and money both are fantastic but in completely different ways :P.

Braid.

The complete package of art design, plot, platforming elements with time-controlling puzzles was excellent. Both Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii struck me as "been-there-done-that" games that, despite being exceptional in quality, not as striking as Braid.

EDIT: I would also like to mention Mirror's Edge and give it recognition for advancing the 3D FPS platforming genre with its parkour mechanics. Despite being a FPS/platformer hybrid (and not a full-blown platformer, somewhat similar to Metroid Prime in this respect), it was an exceptional game that really broke the mold when it came to controlling a character in first-person.

foxhound_fox

Yes because gravitationally involved platforming with tons of separate heavenly bodies has definitely been done all the time before.... :roll:

Little Big Planet by a wide margin. It's so damn creative and off the wall it sends games like SMG out to pasture. I don't expect people who still care about Mario to look for innovation, though. No, the waggle doesn't count.

Kiyobear

Yes because gravitationally involved platforming with tons of separate heavenly bodies has definitely been done all the time before.... :roll:

ElTriforceo

It's called an opinion you Ovis aries. >_>

Ok...ok....

Sonic Unleashed (Strictly 360 version)

Ok...ok....

Sonic Unleashed (Strictly 360 version)

MobilechicaneX

Seriously?

Yes because gravitationally involved platforming with tons of separate heavenly bodies has definitely been done all the time before.... :roll:

ElTriforceo

I guess it is true... it is illegal for anyone to dislike Super Mario Galaxy.

foxhound_fox

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Ok...ok....

Sonic Unleashed (Strictly 360 version)

789shadow

Seriously?

Yep, and i have played games such as Super mario galaxy and Ratchet and Clank.

[QUOTE="ElTriforceo"]

Yes because gravitationally involved platforming with tons of separate heavenly bodies has definitely been done all the time before.... :roll:

shoryuken_

It's called an opinion you Ovis aries. >_>

Super Mario Galaxy, followed closely by NSMBWii. Both truly fantastic games.

No it isn't. Saying it's not an original game and that there's nothing new in it is ignorant. He now admits that that was new and he's just saying there was nothing new other than that. That's fine, it's true that outside there isn't much. It's just how refined it is that makes it great, and he said it was exceptional, so he still liked it. But disregarding any innovation isn't giving it enough credit. ElTriforceo

He never said there was nothing new. Foxhound merely stated that it was too similar to other Mario games for his taste. Although those games have exceptional quality as Foxhound stated, they were too "been-there, done that" for him to rank it as the best platformer this gen. He never disregarded the achievements SMG and NSMBWii had, that's just your wild imagination at work. You should actually look at what people say rather than respond to what they really said. Not choosing NSMBWii or SMG as best platformer this gen doesn't mean he is bashing those games.

Super Mario Galaxy, NSMBW, and Assassin's Creed 2 :P

Mario Galaxy and Megaman 9BattleTurtles

It's just how refined it is that makes it great, and he said it was exceptional, so he still liked it. But disregarding any innovation isn't giving it enough credit. ElTriforceo

Mario Galaxy and Megaman 9BattleTurtles

Actually, I didn't like it. Because of so much of the "same" I felt the game wasn't that enjoyable and got bored very quickly. Recognition of quality and enjoyment are not synonymous. I can do one and not feel the other. Just like how I recognize that some games are really crappy, but still like them.

I've had this discussion so many times with shinobishyguy it gets tiring now. I disliked the game, thought it was well-made (like any other Nintendo first-party, in-house developed game), but think it gets far too much praise for what it is... just another well-made Mario platformer. It seems that a lot of Mario/Nintendo fans give it far more praise than it deserves, just like Ocarina of Time.

foxhound_fox

If I recall correctly, you played OoT very recently. For many of us, Ocarina of Time was kind of like how Super Mario 64 was for you. It was my first full 3D game, not to mention one of the best Zelda games created.

If I recall correctly, you played OoT very recently. For many of us, Ocarina of Time was kind of like how Super Mario 64 was for you. It was my first full 3D game, not to mention one of the best Zelda games created.

shoryuken_

No platformer touches Super Mario Galaxy this gen.

NSMB Wii and SMG are both great game but I would give it to NSMB Wii because I can play 2-4 players.

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If I recall correctly, you played OoT very recently. For many of us, Ocarina of Time was kind of like how Super Mario 64 was for you. It was my first full 3D game, not to mention one of the best Zelda games created.

foxhound_fox

You're one piece of work, you know that?

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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

If I recall correctly, you played OoT very recently. For many of us, Ocarina of Time was kind of like how Super Mario 64 was for you. It was my first full 3D game, not to mention one of the best Zelda games created.

gmc2u_64

You're one piece of work, you know that?

Thatt's incrediblysilly. I disagree with Foxhound on this issuebut this actually has no base what so ever. You can't attack everyone who doesn't share your opinion. SMG is my favourite game this gen, its also overpraised. It does a lot of incredible things no other platformer does and challenges the levels of creativity in the genre. It however is not innovative and its safe. Its perfect within the context it presents itself but it never goes beyond that. Its still deserving of the awards though since no other platformer is this polished in every regard but I don't see anything wrong with disliking SMG for being too similar (even though I feel its nothing like SM64 which isn't a good game), its not a crazy opinion.

Mario galaxy is the only correct answer. [spoiler] I'm not even joking [/spoiler] Shinobishyguy

I feel while Galaxy is easily the better game, NSMBWii exhibits more masterful platforming lacking in Galaxy from what I played. Of course I still have Galaxy as my fav but design wise I think NSMBWii is superior.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Heavy nostalgia and exceptional quality, unfortunately, do nothing to contribute to a game's "revolutionary" qualities. Ocarina of Time is most definitely one of the best Zelda's ever made, but it is also most definitely not "revolutionary." Most of the concepts instituted by Ocarina of Time were very well-integrated, and very praise-worthy... but no exceptional game that utilizes and popularizes game elements like Ocarina of Time did, is the "first" game to come up with it... which is the same case with OoT as with every other game like it (Gears of War vs. Kill.Switch, Doom vs. Wolfenstein 3D, etc.).

I just don't like how so many Nintendo games, especially when it is such a wide-spread opinion (in the case of OoT and SMG), get far more praise than they deserve, despite being exceptional games. I find the over-reaching, and honestly, disgusting level of praise that some of these games gets, very much effects how the community that supports that opinion, is seen among the other community.

ActicEdge

You're one piece of work, you know that?

Thatt's incrediblysilly. I disagree with Foxhound on this issuebut this actually has no base what so ever. You can't attack everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Heavy nostalgia and exceptional quality, unfortunately, do nothing to contribute to a game's "revolutionary" qualities. Ocarina of Time is most definitely one of the best Zelda's ever made, but it is also most definitely not "revolutionary." Most of the concepts instituted by Ocarina of Time were very well-integrated, and very praise-worthy... but no exceptional game that utilizes and popularizes game elements like Ocarina of Time did, is the "first" game to come up with it... which is the same case with OoT as with every other game like it (Gears of War vs. Kill.Switch, Doom vs. Wolfenstein 3D, etc.).

I just don't like how so many Nintendo games, especially when it is such a wide-spread opinion (in the case of OoT and SMG), get far more praise than they deserve, despite being exceptional games. I find the over-reaching, and honestly, disgusting level of praise that some of these games gets, very much effects how the community that supports that opinion, is seen among the other community.

ActicEdge

You're one piece of work, you know that?

Don't be silly. I disagree with Foxhound but this actually has no base what so ever. You can't attack everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]It's simple. You're just jealous that your oh-so precous Nuts & Bolts flopped, so you resort to saying that more popular Platformers (Like Super Mario Galaxy) don't deserve the love & respect they're getting. Admit it, I'm right, and you're being butthurt.

You're one piece of work, you know that?

nintendoboy16

Thatt's incrediblysilly. I disagree with Foxhound on this issuebut this actually has no base what so ever. You can't attack everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

Sure but this post has no base. Foxhound doesn't even mention nuts and bolts. How on earth did he get callled out for that? Sure, I am of the opinion that there can be crappy opinions but you can't actually just say your wrong because I dislike your opinion. Especially with no rebuttle. Foxhound already admits they're exceptional games, he just doesn't like them, what more can you ask for?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Heavy nostalgia and exceptional quality, unfortunately, do nothing to contribute to a game's "revolutionary" qualities. Ocarina of Time is most definitely one of the best Zelda's ever made, but it is also most definitely not "revolutionary." Most of the concepts instituted by Ocarina of Time were very well-integrated, and very praise-worthy... but no exceptional game that utilizes and popularizes game elements like Ocarina of Time did, is the "first" game to come up with it... which is the same case with OoT as with every other game like it (Gears of War vs. Kill.Switch, Doom vs. Wolfenstein 3D, etc.).

I just don't like how so many Nintendo games, especially when it is such a wide-spread opinion (in the case of OoT and SMG), get far more praise than they deserve, despite being exceptional games. I find the over-reaching, and honestly, disgusting level of praise that some of these games gets, very much effects how the community that supports that opinion, is seen among the other community.

gmc2u_64

You're one piece of work, you know that?

@gmc: He never mentioned anything about Nuts & Bolts. Foxhound fully justified his opinion, he wasn't blindly bashing in any way. :?

@foxhound_fox: I guess I see where you are coming from. When I judge a game, I don't really care how so much about how much it innovated, but how I felt while playing the game. Both OoT and SMG had some of the highest polish in their respective genres when they were released and were a blast to play (for me). They are a bit overrated, but they were among the best at what they did. Again, I totally understand your viewpoint and I do wish that people would be a bit more open-minded when someone states something like SMG isn't the best platformer. But you know, that's how hive mentality works. It doesn't only exist in gaming forums.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Thatt's incrediblysilly. I disagree with Foxhound on this issuebut this actually has no base what so ever. You can't attack everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

ActicEdge

Sure but this post has no base. Foxhound doesn't even mention nuts and bolts. How on earth did he get callled out for that? Sure, I am of the opinion that there can be crappy opinions but you can't actually just say your wrong because I dislike your opinion. Especially with no rebuttle. Foxhound already admits they're exceptional games, he just doesn't like them, what more can you ask for?

To be fair, I just don't like him one bit, so I'm biased, but it DOES make perfect sence. He goes on and on about how Nuts & Bolts is awesome because "Of teh change!!!1111!" and how "Without change, there's stagnation", but it flopped rather hard, whereas Super Mario Galaxy is a HUGE success (It adds new things WHILE MAINTAINING THE FORMULA), so he has the natural need to say that SMG doesn't deserve the love & respect it gets because he's butthurt. Then again, I'm biassed I'll admit.

gmc2u_64

In this sort of discussion, it is completely irrelevant how much success the game had. What is important is what you thought while playing the game and the opinion you formed of it. He already stated that SMG was a great game, just not the best platformer. Besides, he didn't even mention Nuts and Bolts in this thread, his favorite platformer was Braid.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Heavy nostalgia and exceptional quality, unfortunately, do nothing to contribute to a game's "revolutionary" qualities. Ocarina of Time is most definitely one of the best Zelda's ever made, but it is also most definitely not "revolutionary." Most of the concepts instituted by Ocarina of Time were very well-integrated, and very praise-worthy... but no exceptional game that utilizes and popularizes game elements like Ocarina of Time did, is the "first" game to come up with it... which is the same case with OoT as with every other game like it (Gears of War vs. Kill.Switch, Doom vs. Wolfenstein 3D, etc.).

I just don't like how so many Nintendo games, especially when it is such a wide-spread opinion (in the case of OoT and SMG), get far more praise than they deserve, despite being exceptional games. I find the over-reaching, and honestly, disgusting level of praise that some of these games gets, very much effects how the community that supports that opinion, is seen among the other community.

shoryuken_

You're one piece of work, you know that?

@gmc: He never mentioned anything about Nuts & Bolts. Foxhound fully justified his opinion, he wasn't blindly bashing in any way. :?

@foxhound_fox: I guess I see where you are coming from. When I judge a game, I don't really care how so much about how much it innovated, but how I felt while playing the game. Both OoT and SMG had some of the highest polish in their respective genres when they were released and were a blast to play (for me). They are a bit overrated, but they were among the best at what they did. Again, I totally understand your viewpoint and I do wish that people would be a bit more open-minded when someone states something like SMG isn't the best platformer. But you know, that's how hive mentality works. It doesn't only exist in gaming forums.