[QUOTE="farnham"]Although i mentioned UC lets just talk about the mainline Resident Evil games (RE 1, 2, 3, CV, REmake, 0, 4, 5) or it gets overboard. Ah, then I switch my answer to 0, it wasn't horrible, but it was the weakest in the series. I agree with this, looks like we have something in common.;)[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I loved 4 the most, and the worst one that I have played has been....Umbrella Chronicles.tagyhag
Best Resident Evil game up until now..? and your worst..?
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Best: REmake with 4 coming to a reallyreally close 2nd...
Worst: RE5.
GreenGoblin2099
agreed
Best: Code Veronica. Because it took the classic gameplay and refined it to perfection.
Worst: Resident Evil 5. Because it lacks the atmosphere of the other games.
REmake the best. It showed wat a pure RE should be. RE5 worst. Its the furthest of what pure RE game should be.
The best is Resident Evil 2 by far. I just loved the RPD station setting. The enemies were awesome, Licker FTW! And Leon is just badass, he's my favourite character.
The worst is Resident Evil 0. I seriously got more enjoyment out of RE Gaiden :| Billy FTL
Resident Evil 4 is by far the best by a wide margin.
The only that's really up to snuff is maybe Code Veronica. I refuse to accept Remake because it doesn't have hte original voice acting, and everyone knows the original voice acting was 10,000 times superior :P
As for worst Going to go with Resident Evil Zero. Hated that piece of crap.
Best: RE 2, Zero. Really enjoyed those.
Worst: Remake
I don't even like 4 onwards tbh.
sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that.oh i see, this thread is set up to specifically to bash RE5 because TC is a sheep.
nice job TC
Phaze-Two
well mikami shinji deliberately didnt want to go to the RE 1- CV setting because he wanted to make a whole subseries within Resident Evil 4 with the los plagas. The inclusion of the los plagas gameplaywise in RE5 and the explanation that those los plagas like zombies were actually due to the progenitor virus (the source of the T and G virus) was just laughable and a sad excuse of the reskinning.best RE2
Worst RE4
RE2 was best because it just seemed comlete with RE3 they sort of went backwards in branching storyline and such...RE4 was worse then RE5 because it was the downfall of the series not only as gameplay and atomosphere but in story they completely destroyed the story setup in RE1-Veronica.
WilliamRLBaker
[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that. RE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :)oh i see, this thread is set up to specifically to bash RE5 because TC is a sheep.
nice job TC
farnham
lolResident Evil 4 is by far the best by a wide margin.
The only that's really up to snuff is maybe Code Veronica. I refuse to accept Remake because it doesn't have hte original voice acting, and everyone knows the original voice acting was 10,000 times superior :P
As for worst Going to go with Resident Evil Zero. Hated that piece of crap.jg4xchamp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtTfptkUgj0
compared to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN4Dbi0AV0Q&feature=related
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]the main problem is that it is really resident evil 4 reskinned with a worse story that tries to fit in the RE universe but fails horribly (wesker in this game.. ugh) and a coop mode that ruined the single player experience as it did not bring any additional depth to the game and was a source of frustration LMAO re4 story better than re5? JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA yeah right. anyway best: remake worst: zero, re4I don't see why people have such a beef with Resident Evil 5. I thought it was a great game. It's local co-op (didn't try it online)was amazing and I thought it was very well paced. I don't think it was as good as single-player experience as it was a co-op experience, but the campaign was well-crafted either way. The story did seem kind of dopey, but the actual game was exciting enough that me and my bro didn't care when we ran through it.
farnham
[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that. RE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :) hmm i dont know.. i recently played 2 again and i cant say its bad (graphics are horrible but whatever). the story -as many people mentioned here- is probably the best of all. 3 had nemesis. which was an awesome character. but somehow i couldnt get over carlos oliviera cuz i always had the jill and chris fanfic in my mind.oh i see, this thread is set up to specifically to bash RE5 because TC is a sheep.
nice job TC
jg4xchamp
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]well mikami shinji deliberately didnt want to go to the RE 1- CV setting because he wanted to make a whole subseries within Resident Evil 4 with the los plagas. The inclusion of the los plagas gameplaywise in RE5 and the explanation that those los plagas like zombies were actually due to the progenitor virus (the source of the T and G virus) was just laughable and a sad excuse of the reskinning. LOL u seriously didnt play the game... majini result of the progenitor virus....LMAObest RE2
Worst RE4
RE2 was best because it just seemed comlete with RE3 they sort of went backwards in branching storyline and such...RE4 was worse then RE5 because it was the downfall of the series not only as gameplay and atomosphere but in story they completely destroyed the story setup in RE1-Veronica.
farnham
lol[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]
Resident Evil 4 is by far the best by a wide margin.
The only that's really up to snuff is maybe Code Veronica. I refuse to accept Remake because it doesn't have hte original voice acting, and everyone knows the original voice acting was 10,000 times superior :P
As for worst Going to go with Resident Evil Zero. Hated that piece of crap.farnham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtTfptkUgj0
compared to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN4Dbi0AV0Q&feature=related
you guys clearly don't understand what true art in videogames is. I refuse to be responsible for voice acting that appeals to the "casual soccer mom" audience. totally unacceptable.well mikami shinji deliberately didnt want to go to the RE 1- CV setting because he wanted to make a whole subseries within Resident Evil 4 with the los plagas. The inclusion of the los plagas gameplaywise in RE5 and the explanation that those los plagas like zombies were actually due to the progenitor virus (the source of the T and G virus) was just laughable and a sad excuse of the reskinning. LOL u seriously didnt play the game... majini result of the progenitor virus....LMAO[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
best RE2
Worst RE4
RE2 was best because it just seemed comlete with RE3 they sort of went backwards in branching storyline and such...RE4 was worse then RE5 because it was the downfall of the series not only as gameplay and atomosphere but in story they completely destroyed the story setup in RE1-Veronica.
vitonemesis
now that you mention it obviously i had a brain fart lol.. (got uroboros and majini mixed up)
Resident Evil 4 was my favorite in the whole franchise, with the remake a close second. Resident Evil 4 was just so ground-breaking, and I was hooked on it. As for Resident Evil 5 I wasn't too impressed with it. It retained the great gameplay, but it got rather shallow. The story, the atmosphere wasn't as engaging, or atmospheric compared to some of the other Resident Evil games.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="farnham"] sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that.farnhamRE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :) hmm i dont know.. i recently played 2 again and i cant say its bad (graphics are horrible but whatever). the story -as many people mentioned here- is probably the best of all. 3 had nemesis. which was an awesome character. but somehow i couldnt get over carlos oliviera cuz i always had the jill and chris fanfic in my mind.
The story is Resident Evil is :lol: status. The **** outta here with the story being the best. Being the best story in the resident evil serious is like being smartest troll on System Wars. It's a giant oxymoron. and if anything RE 4 gets the story award for actually moving itself away from the garbage that was the RE plot. Ofcourse it sucked ass but hey atleast Leon will forever stay awesome.
If anything it's how archaic the old RE games were and how for the sake of being "scary" people defend those tank like controls and gutter trash shooting mechanics(this just in the games had shooting mechanics) is what makes it so bad. Level design is overly uninspired, and the atmosphere is all but always killed by how bad the script was and how it always went for cheap scares(lol and people complain about Dead Space doing that).
Silent Hill also had the abomination that these games called their combat but it was actually genuinly terrifying. Silent Hill team understood how to be subtle, how to make the player feel tense, how to play mindgames with the player, make the player feel isolated, etc.
RE 5 is the wrap up to the clustered sack of garbage that is the Resident Evil plot line, and it is by far one of the few Resident Evil games that actually plays good. That much isn't even a contest as RE 5 actually won't make you hate the controls. You'll have to adjust to the stand still and shooting, but it most definitely still works. What kills that game is how COOP focused it is.
Playing that game in single player=dog crap
Playing that game in coop= Fun as hell
Code Veronica(and I assume RE remake, again won't play that one out of principle for the joy that was the cheesy voice acting) is the best of the "old formula" RE games. The atmosphere was thick, and the story wasn't as important in the game. It was paced nicely, boss fights were fun, the puzzles were kickass, and the inventory system wasn't completely bad(then again only RE 4 has a good inventory system out of all the RE games).
Just my two cents.
Best: Resident Evil Remake
Second Best: Resident Evil 2
Worse: Resident Evil 5
Second Worse: Resident Evil 4
I miss the puzzles, the slow-paced gameplay, the resource conservation and the horror atmosphere. Resident Evil needs desperately going back to it's roots. It needs to use the good old Alone in the Dark formula again.
[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that.RE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :)oh i see, this thread is set up to specifically to bash RE5 because TC is a sheep.
nice job TC
jg4xchamp
wow I whole hardly disagree sir. Even after palying RE5 I still went back and played 1,2 and 3 and had a much better time. IF RE4 is taking the series a bit from its roots RE5 took the whole tree and threw it 5 billion yards down. ONly thing that makes RE5 a RE game is the characters. RE5 imo is by far the worst in the series of course not counting the spin offs. Its still a good game though.
RE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :)[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="farnham"] sorry i dont see a reason why a sheep would specifically want to bash RE5. Games like RE 2, 3 or code veronica or the outbreak series which either did only make it as ports on a nintendo system or never even made it could be cited as well. The truth is that RE 5 just is not good. Also this thread was not about RE5 bashing to begin with. I originally wanted to make it a whats your favorite RE series thread but i acknowledged that people will write about their worst game anyway so i included that.finalfantasy94
wow I whole hardly disagree sir. Even after palying RE5 I still went back and played 1,2 and 3 and had a much better time. IF RE4 is taking the series a bit from its roots RE5 took the whole tree and threw it 5 billion yards down. ONly thing that makes RE5 a RE game is the characters. RE5 imo is by far the worst in the series of course not counting the spin offs. Its still a good game though.
and I will pleasantly disagree that the roots of Resident Evil were how do I put this. Crap /The story? dog crap
Atmosphere? really good actually. 4 actually had good atmosphere, 5 didn't. 5 can go F itself for this.
The gameplay? games live and die on mechanics, and the mechanics in the old games were attrocious. If you want to cause tension, and terrify the player don't have them terrified because your control scheme is such trash. RE 4 had great game mechanics and that is why it royally takes a dump on the old RE games. The only thing the old RE games did light years better was the survival aspect of it. The horror sucks. Alone in the Dark was better, Silent Hill is light years better(SH2 still holds up inspite of crappy game mechanics), and Call of Cthulhu is OH MY GOD better.
But the survival aspect of the series was fine because you always felt limited. That was the true greatness of the series, and that is what never transferred over well to the other games. Either way if I had the option of playing a half assed, poorly constructed horror game in the original RE games(Not CV because CV is actually awesome) or a coop third person action game that's actually fun for the most part. I'll take RE 5 no matter how inferior it is to RE 4. Besides either way Resident Evil 5 is 300% superior to Resident Evil zero.
1. Resident Evil 4: It's in my Top 10 games of all time. 'Nuff said.
2. Resident Evil 5: It was one of my GoTY contenders for 2009.
3. Resident Evil: Archaic save system (Ink Caps FTL), cheap camera angles, piss-poor combat, etc. Though, I love the characters.
4. Resident Evil 0: It had all of the bad things of RE while adding a frustrating partner system.
To be fair though, I played RE4 & RE5 first, so I guess that's why I dislike RE & RE0. Maybe I should've played them during their prime.
...why do I have the feeling that people are gonna unleash the Tyrant & Leach Queen on me?
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] RE 5 is nowhere near close to being the worst RE game considering in retrospect how bad 2 and 3 are today. Then again even for their time the RE games were middle tier on the horror scale. It was never up to snuff with Silent Hill :)jg4xchamp
wow I whole hardly disagree sir. Even after palying RE5 I still went back and played 1,2 and 3 and had a much better time. IF RE4 is taking the series a bit from its roots RE5 took the whole tree and threw it 5 billion yards down. ONly thing that makes RE5 a RE game is the characters. RE5 imo is by far the worst in the series of course not counting the spin offs. Its still a good game though.
and I will pleasantly disagree that the roots of Resident Evil were how do I put this. Crap /The story? dog crap
Atmosphere? really good actually. 4 actually had good atmosphere, 5 didn't. 5 can go F itself for this.
The gameplay? games live and die on mechanics, and the mechanics in the old games were attrocious. If you want to cause tension, and terrify the player don't have them terrified because your control scheme is such trash. RE 4 had great game mechanics and that is why it royally takes a dump on the old RE games.The only thing the old RE games did light years better was the survival aspect of it. The horror sucks. Alone in the Dark was better, Silent Hill is light years better(SH2 still holds up inspite of crappy game mechanics), and Call of Cthulhu is OH MY GOD better.
But the survival aspect of the series was fine because you always felt limited. That was the true greatness of the series, and that is what never transferred over well to the other games. Either way if I had the option of playing a half assed, poorly constructed horror game in the original RE games(Not CV because CV is actually awesome) or a coop third person action game that's actually fun for the most part. I'll take RE 5 no matter how inferior it is to RE 4. Besides either way Resident Evil 5 is 300% superior to Resident Evil zero.
All RE4 did was make it over theshoulder and you saw where you aim it still was tank like. So yea it wasint much different. Plus imo REmake atmosphere destroys 4s atmosphere and in theend thats proboly the most importantpart of a survival horror game.Story wise I never thought it was oscar gold story,but it was still entertaining like a good ol b horror flick. RE5 felt like rambo the video game. With some tenticals. Also I know games like SH are more scary then RE games,but we are not comparing those games. We are here to talk about RE games. In the end the point is we can all agree that the RE movies suck to no end.....
and I will pleasantly disagree that the roots of Resident Evil were how do I put this. Crap /[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
wow I whole hardly disagree sir. Even after palying RE5 I still went back and played 1,2 and 3 and had a much better time. IF RE4 is taking the series a bit from its roots RE5 took the whole tree and threw it 5 billion yards down. ONly thing that makes RE5 a RE game is the characters. RE5 imo is by far the worst in the series of course not counting the spin offs. Its still a good game though.
finalfantasy94
The story? dog crap
Atmosphere? really good actually. 4 actually had good atmosphere, 5 didn't. 5 can go F itself for this.
The gameplay? games live and die on mechanics, and the mechanics in the old games were attrocious. If you want to cause tension, and terrify the player don't have them terrified because your control scheme is such trash. RE 4 had great game mechanics and that is why it royally takes a dump on the old RE games.The only thing the old RE games did light years better was the survival aspect of it. The horror sucks. Alone in the Dark was better, Silent Hill is light years better(SH2 still holds up inspite of crappy game mechanics), and Call of Cthulhu is OH MY GOD better.
But the survival aspect of the series was fine because you always felt limited. That was the true greatness of the series, and that is what never transferred over well to the other games. Either way if I had the option of playing a half assed, poorly constructed horror game in the original RE games(Not CV because CV is actually awesome) or a coop third person action game that's actually fun for the most part. I'll take RE 5 no matter how inferior it is to RE 4. Besides either way Resident Evil 5 is 300% superior to Resident Evil zero.
All RE4 did was make it over theshoulder and you saw where you aim it still was tank like. So yea it wasint much different. Plus imo REmake atmosphere destroys 4s atmosphere and in theend thats proboly the most importantpart of a survival horror game.Story wise I never thought it was oscar gold story,but it was still entertaining like a good ol b horror flick. RE5 felt like rambo the video game. With some tenticals. Also I know games like SH are more scary then RE games,but we are not comparing those games. We are here to talk about RE games. In the end the point is we can all agree that the RE movies suck to no end.....
except you didn't really move around like a tank :? YOur movement was smoother, the shooting was smoother, you could actually aim, the enemy AI was actually an obstacle unlike the zombies(who were just idiots). I agree that yes you can go even further. Like not have the villagers run upto you and suddenly stop(the hell?) and let you run and gun to a degree.The atmosphere in the old RE was just dark and yes it worked but RE 4 was no slouch. Level design wise it was much much better. Atmosphere is only one aspect of a horror game in the same sense that graphics are only one aspect of a videogame. Is RE 4 more action game than Horror? yes I will admit that. But RE 4 was a fantastic action game. Where as I would argue that in retrospect(as in over time) RE has become a mediocre horror game. One to me is standing the test of time pretty well(that level design in RE 4 is godly. BIOWARE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS GAME) and the other to me just shows its age.
I've just never been a fan of the idea that the mechanics can be clunky for the sake of horror. I would like a game where my combat wasn't clunky and was smooth and it worked. Where the enemies were actually menacing, where the narrative/atmosphere is what made it terrifying, where the challenge is what adds to the tension and uneasy feeling the horror games should be aiming for.
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] and I will pleasantly disagree that the roots of Resident Evil were how do I put this. Crap /
The story? dog crap
Atmosphere? really good actually. 4 actually had good atmosphere, 5 didn't. 5 can go F itself for this.
The gameplay? games live and die on mechanics, and the mechanics in the old games were attrocious. If you want to cause tension, and terrify the player don't have them terrified because your control scheme is such trash. RE 4 had great game mechanics and that is why it royally takes a dump on the old RE games.The only thing the old RE games did light years better was the survival aspect of it. The horror sucks. Alone in the Dark was better, Silent Hill is light years better(SH2 still holds up inspite of crappy game mechanics), and Call of Cthulhu is OH MY GOD better.
But the survival aspect of the series was fine because you always felt limited. That was the true greatness of the series, and that is what never transferred over well to the other games. Either way if I had the option of playing a half assed, poorly constructed horror game in the original RE games(Not CV because CV is actually awesome) or a coop third person action game that's actually fun for the most part. I'll take RE 5 no matter how inferior it is to RE 4. Besides either way Resident Evil 5 is 300% superior to Resident Evil zero.jg4xchamp
All RE4 did was make it over theshoulder and you saw where you aim it still was tank like. So yea it wasint much different. Plus imo REmake atmosphere destroys 4s atmosphere and in theend thats proboly the most importantpart of a survival horror game.Story wise I never thought it was oscar gold story,but it was still entertaining like a good ol b horror flick. RE5 felt like rambo the video game. With some tenticals. Also I know games like SH are more scary then RE games,but we are not comparing those games. We are here to talk about RE games. In the end the point is we can all agree that the RE movies suck to no end.....
except you didn't really move around like a tank :? YOur movement was smoother, the shooting was smoother, you could actually aim, the enemy AI was actually an obstacle unlike the zombies(who were just idiots). I agree that yes you can go even further. Like not have the villagers run upto you and suddenly stop(the hell?) and let you run and gun to a degree.The atmosphere in the old RE was just dark and yes it worked but RE 4 was no slouch. Level design wise it was much much better. Atmosphere is only one aspect of a horror game in the same sense that graphics are only one aspect of a videogame. Is RE 4 more action game than Horror? yes I will admit that. But RE 4 was a fantastic action game. Where as I would argue that in retrospect(as in over time) RE has become a mediocre horror game. One to me is standing the test of time pretty well(that level design in RE 4 is godly. BIOWARE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS GAME) and the other to me just shows its age.
I've just never been a fan of the idea that the mechanics can be clunky for the sake of horror. I would like a game where my combat wasn't clunky and was smooth and it worked. Where the enemies were actually menacing, where the narrative/atmosphere is what made it terrifying, where the challenge is what adds to the tension and uneasy feeling the horror games should be aiming for.
The movement felt pretty much the same just different view at least to me. I already said about the aiming and the shooting wasint any smoother. Just like the other games you aim quick and shoot. I would give you a point for the AI comment though since they were smarter. Though in the old RE games like REmake them being dumb didint make it any more easy since you still had to conserve ammo and also you had to pray for a head shot or the red man will get you. Plus hunters werent no pinic either if you didint have hte right gun and ammo.Im not to sure about RE4 having godly level design.Also you say atmoshphere is only one aspect of the horror game. While true its also the most important part is likea big part ofthe meat in a hambuger. Take that out all you got is buns and some add ons and a tiny piece of meat. yes they are important to the burger,but the whole piece of meat is still a big part of it.
Best-Resident Evil 2 Worst-Resident Evil 5
except you didn't really move around like a tank :? YOur movement was smoother, the shooting was smoother, you could actually aim, the enemy AI was actually an obstacle unlike the zombies(who were just idiots). I agree that yes you can go even further. Like not have the villagers run upto you and suddenly stop(the hell?) and let you run and gun to a degree.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
All RE4 did was make it over theshoulder and you saw where you aim it still was tank like. So yea it wasint much different. Plus imo REmake atmosphere destroys 4s atmosphere and in theend thats proboly the most importantpart of a survival horror game.Story wise I never thought it was oscar gold story,but it was still entertaining like a good ol b horror flick. RE5 felt like rambo the video game. With some tenticals. Also I know games like SH are more scary then RE games,but we are not comparing those games. We are here to talk about RE games. In the end the point is we can all agree that the RE movies suck to no end.....
finalfantasy94
The atmosphere in the old RE was just dark and yes it worked but RE 4 was no slouch. Level design wise it was much much better. Atmosphere is only one aspect of a horror game in the same sense that graphics are only one aspect of a videogame. Is RE 4 more action game than Horror? yes I will admit that. But RE 4 was a fantastic action game. Where as I would argue that in retrospect(as in over time) RE has become a mediocre horror game. One to me is standing the test of time pretty well(that level design in RE 4 is godly. BIOWARE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS GAME) and the other to me just shows its age.
I've just never been a fan of the idea that the mechanics can be clunky for the sake of horror. I would like a game where my combat wasn't clunky and was smooth and it worked. Where the enemies were actually menacing, where the narrative/atmosphere is what made it terrifying, where the challenge is what adds to the tension and uneasy feeling the horror games should be aiming for.
The movement felt pretty much the same just different view. I already said about the aiming and the shooting wasint any smoother. Just like the other games you aim quick and shoot. I would give you a point for the AI comment though since they were smarter. Though in the old RE games like REmake them being dumb didint make it any more easy since you still had to conserve ammo and also you had to pray for a head shot or the red man will get you. Plus hunters werent no pinic either if you didint have hte right gun and ammo. Also I dont agree with the RE4 level design being "godly". It was good though. Also you say atmoshphere is only one aspect of the horror game. While true its also the mostimportant part is like the meat in a hambuger. Take that out all you got is buns and some add ons. yes they are important to the burger,but the meat is still a big part of it.
On the contrary RE 4s level design is textbook on how to do good level design. It's as immersive as it is useful to gameplay. Specifically the village itself. Nothing about it is overly gamey. What is overly gamey you say? Those stupid random chest high boxes in the middle of nowhere in Mass Effect 2 that basically were billboards for "Epic shootout in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1". The village all felt natural, and from a gameplay perspective it made a great playground for the action. There were nice choke points, and different buildings for cover and hiding if things got to rough(ofcourse than you had to worry about more enemies). You felt like you were part of the game world, and the game world did not sacrifice the fun of the experience for the sake of presentation(like say how Halo has some dog trash levels that are the way they are for the sake of presentation and some head up their own ass mentality). That's why I love RE 4s level design. It's exceptionally well done.
As for atmosphere for horror. The thing is this is a game. For a horror game to be good the atmosphere needs a running mate. In a movie the atmosphere needs to be there. A movie is pure presentation. In a game the interactive aspect of the horror needs to be there. The gameplay itself needs to be tense and give you an uneasy feeling with the atmosphere. That feeling was more forced in the old RE games because of clunky controls. RE 4 obviously wasn't that uneasy after awhile because well you could unlock a shotgun with 100 shells :|. Plus like I said I never found RE 4 to have "bad atmosphere" or even that much more of an inferior atmosphere. It wasn't always dark, night, and confined mansions. It was more or less a different environment, a different enemy, a different atmosphere and I thought it worked.
If RE does a reboot I hope it keeps alot of the current game mechanics, goes back to having more terrifying monsters, and aims to be scary through a mixture of it's atmosphere and providing more tense sequenes. The controls should not be what make it tense. The actual obstacles in your way should make you feel uneasy. As for the movement. Personally found the overall controls smoother. Made moving around easier, shooting was more intuitive and such. Technically speaking gunplay was all the same, but hey the simplest mechanic change ended up being the most controversial change for the entire series right? After all every change in RE's design revolves around the new aiming over the shoulder change.
Anyway twas fun discussing some RE with someone who doesn't want to make my head off :)(or I'm assuming that at the least lol)
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] except you didn't really move around like a tank :? YOur movement was smoother, the shooting was smoother, you could actually aim, the enemy AI was actually an obstacle unlike the zombies(who were just idiots). I agree that yes you can go even further. Like not have the villagers run upto you and suddenly stop(the hell?) and let you run and gun to a degree.
The atmosphere in the old RE was just dark and yes it worked but RE 4 was no slouch. Level design wise it was much much better. Atmosphere is only one aspect of a horror game in the same sense that graphics are only one aspect of a videogame. Is RE 4 more action game than Horror? yes I will admit that. But RE 4 was a fantastic action game. Where as I would argue that in retrospect(as in over time) RE has become a mediocre horror game. One to me is standing the test of time pretty well(that level design in RE 4 is godly. BIOWARE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS GAME) and the other to me just shows its age.
I've just never been a fan of the idea that the mechanics can be clunky for the sake of horror. I would like a game where my combat wasn't clunky and was smooth and it worked. Where the enemies were actually menacing, where the narrative/atmosphere is what made it terrifying, where the challenge is what adds to the tension and uneasy feeling the horror games should be aiming for.jg4xchamp
The movement felt pretty much the same just different view. I already said about the aiming and the shooting wasint any smoother. Just like the other games you aim quick and shoot. I would give you a point for the AI comment though since they were smarter. Though in the old RE games like REmake them being dumb didint make it any more easy since you still had to conserve ammo and also you had to pray for a head shot or the red man will get you. Plus hunters werent no pinic either if you didint have hte right gun and ammo. Also I dont agree with the RE4 level design being "godly". It was good though. Also you say atmoshphere is only one aspect of the horror game. While true its also the mostimportant part is like the meat in a hambuger. Take that out all you got is buns and some add ons. yes they are important to the burger,but the meat is still a big part of it.
On the contrary RE 4s level design is textbook on how to do good level design. It's as immersive as it is useful to gameplay. Specifically the village itself. Nothing about it is overly gamey. What is overly gamey you say? Those stupid random chest high boxes in the middle of nowhere in Mass Effect 2 that basically were billboards for "Epic shootout in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1". The village all felt natural, and from a gameplay perspective it made a great playground for the action. There were nice choke points, and different buildings for cover and hiding if things got to rough(ofcourse than you had to worry about more enemies). You felt like you were part of the game world, and the game world did not sacrifice the fun of the experience for the sake of presentation(like say how Halo has some dog trash levels that are the way they are for the sake of presentation and some head up their own ass mentality). That's why I love RE 4s level design. It's exceptionally well done.
As for atmosphere for horror. The thing is this is a game. For a horror game to be good the atmosphere needs a running mate. In a movie the atmosphere needs to be there. A movie is pure presentation. In a game the interactive aspect of the horror needs to be there. The gameplay itself needs to be tense and give you an uneasy feeling with the atmosphere. That feeling was more forced in the old RE games because of clunky controls. RE 4 obviously wasn't that uneasy after awhile because well you could unlock a shotgun with 100 shells :|. Plus like I said I never found RE 4 to have "bad atmosphere" or even that much more of an inferior atmosphere. It wasn't always dark, night, and confined mansions. It was more or less a different environment, a different enemy, a different atmosphere and I thought it worked.
If RE does a reboot I hope it keeps alot of the current game mechanics, goes back to having more terrifying monsters, and aims to be scary through a mixture of it's atmosphere and providing more tense sequenes. The controls should not be what make it tense. The actual obstacles in your way should make you feel uneasy. As for the movement. Personally found the overall controls smoother. Made moving around easier, shooting was more intuitive and such. Technically speaking gunplay was all the same, but hey the simplest mechanic change ended up being the most controversial change for the entire series right? After all every change in RE's design revolves around the new aiming over the shoulder change.
Anyway twas fun discussing some RE with someone who doesn't want to make my head off :)(or I'm assuming that at the least lol)
Yea the same. In the end its just agree to disagree on some points.
Oh and the original RE recieves the worst voice acting ever to me in a video game
*enters dinning room walks down to fireplace*
Jill: What is it!?!?!
Barry: BLOOD!
I lol every time.
Best - RE4
Worst - RE0
Best: Code Veronica
Runner Up: RE 2
Worst: As much as I like it , it is an insult compared to the older ones , RE 5.
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