Best RPG this year is between Diablo 3 and Borderlands 2

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Guild Wars 2 is better than Diablo 3

Borderlands 2, if you can call that an RPG, destroys Diablo 3 from the reviews I've seen.

Diablo 3 is already forgotten and has ceased to be relevant.

Vaasman

Tons of people are still playing D3, and it's only getting better with each update.

Last time I checked there weren't even 1000 public games during peak hours. A good deal of which were likely bots and hackers. Where are these "tons" of players still playing? Could you provide some stats? Or an article that doesn't discuss the huge player dropoff rate?

Well you could log on and see for yourself. I have never had trouble finding a full game. If somebody drops out, another person fills their spot almost instantaneously. There's plenty of people playing.

Guild Wars 2 is just another MMO, albeit a slightly different one. It lacks both the charm of Borderlands and the insane attention to detail that was put into D3.

Master_ShakeXXX

You haven't played it if you can say that, and I yes I already read your "Oh I did, but only so much.." Either you only got to the character character creation section or you simply are BSing it. Diablo 3 was fun for what it gave, but it got repeittive and didn't have the longetivity that the previous Diablos had. Even with some of the updates, I don't think I will be touching that game for a long while. And man, how much have you played of Borderlands 2 to even remotely can some to a conclusion like that. It just came out. I still playing Guild Wars 2 from launch and I still haven't scratch the surface. I haven't gotten to touch BL2 yet, probably have it tommorow, but if it stacks with the first.. It will be good, but I can't imagine any beyond that point.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Prepare to have your hopes crushed by Mass Effect 3, shakey :twisted:

I don't know about the GOTY, but ME3 will win Best RPG of 2012, mark my words :cool:

texasgoldrush

That's not how you spell The Witcher 2 and Dust.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]That's not how you spell The Witcher 2 and Dust.MrYaotubo

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]That's not how you spell The Witcher 2 and Dust.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Well, fvck my dinosaur and sh!t in a teacup. Dust then.sts106mat

On all the major sites that already nominated it last year they won´t do so again,that hardly ever happens,now matter how good the game is,it already took part in the majority of the awards of most gaming sites/mags.

Now for xbox specific sites/mags,probably,but in places like GS,IGN and other,I don´t think so.

I mean,the same happened with the original EE for the first game.

Do you work for blizzard? Diablo 3 is a terrible successor to the Diablo franchise. You flat out deny GW2, despite the AAA reviews and far more postitive player feedback.

Diablo won't win, I'd bet my life on it.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] I wouldn't be surprised if the witcher 2 EE on 360 doesn't get at least get nominated on most sites, since you know, it came out this year, so it would count.sts106mat

On all the major sites that already nominated it last year they won´t do so again,that hardly ever happens,now matter how good the game is,it already took part in the majority of the awards of most gaming sites/mags.

Now for xbox specific sites/mags,probably,but in places like GS,IGN and other,I don´t think so.

I mean,the same happened with the original EE for the first game.

Can't believe I forgot about it. Paper Mario: Sticker Star = Not just RPG of 2012, but GOTY 2012!

Can't believe I forgot about it. Paper Mario: Sticker Star = Not just RPG of 2012, but GOTY 2012!

ChubbyGuy40

Chubbs, you lost your mind brah.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Can't believe I forgot about it. Paper Mario: Sticker Star = Not just RPG of 2012, but GOTY 2012!

Master_ShakeXXX

Chubbs, you lost your mind brah.

Nintendomination too much for you brah!?

Diablo 3 should win biggest dissappointment of 2012.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Tons of people are still playing D3, and it's only getting better with each update.

Master_ShakeXXX

Last time I checked there weren't even 1000 public games during peak hours. A good deal of which were likely bots and hackers. Where are these "tons" of players still playing? Could you provide some stats? Or an article that doesn't discuss the huge player dropoff rate?

Well you could log on and see for yourself. I have never had trouble finding a full game. If somebody drops out, another person fills their spot almost instantaneously. There's plenty of people playing.

Public game wise at the moment, there are 277 available games on the European server, 480 on the Asian server, and 548 on the American server, totaling 1305 public games. Sure doesn't seem like the "ton" you've described considering the game sold 10+ million copies. Where is this "ton?" I mean I know it's a relative term but there is absolutely no way you can really consider 1305 games on a decuple platinum selling multiplayer game to be a "ton." Where is this ton you are talking about? Is it playing private games? That's quite a challenge to judge, although a few game statistics sites have suggested even including private games,the dropoff rate is around 65%. That was two months ago. From gaming sites xfire and gametric.

Let me put it another way.

8 years after it's launch, counterstrike source still has more games with players, and more players at any given time than Diablo 3 does now, around 5 months after launch. I would consider that a "ton." WoW still has 9 million subscribers 8 years later, I would consider that a "ton." I would not consider the number playing diablo 3 to be a "ton."

Though as far as I'm concerned, once my friends stop playing that's everyone. I'm sure as hell not risking gold spam and phishing attempts just to waste my time in a game I only briefly enjoyed.

It really it doesn't matter either way, because number of players really means nothing when the argument is what is the best RPG this year. Diablo 3 was a remarkably flawed game, and probably still is post 1.4, but I sure as hell am not going back to find out. 5 month after launch PvP still is not in the game.

And award wise? It won't win here. Quote me on it. Put it in your sig, make it your page banner, message every member of gamespot with the quote if you really want. Neither will Borderlands 2.

Diablo 3 should win biggest dissappointment of 2012.

spinecaton

That belongs to RE6.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Diablo 3 should win biggest dissappointment of 2012.

ChubbyGuy40

That belongs to RE6.

It will be between Guild Wars 2 and Last Story. Nothing else stands a chance.

Public game wise at the moment, there are 277 available games on the European server, 480 on the Asian server, and 548 on the American server, totaling 1305 public games. Sure doesn't seem like the "ton" you've described considering the game sold 10+ million copies. Where is this "ton?" I mean I know it's a relative term but there is absolutely no way you can really consider 1305 games on a decuple platinum selling multiplayer game to be a "ton." Where is this ton you are talking about? Is it playing private games? That's quite a challenge to judge, although a few game statistics sites have suggested even including private games,the dropoff rate is around 65%. That was two months ago. From gaming sites xfire and gametric.

Let me put it another way.

8 years after it's launch, counterstrike source still has more games with players, and more players at any given time than Diablo 3 does now, around 5 months after launch. I would consider that a "ton." WoW still has 9 million subscribers 8 years later, I would consider that a "ton." I would not consider the number playing diablo 3 to be a "ton."

Though as far as I'm concerned, once my friends stop playing that's everyone. I'm sure as hell not risking gold spam and phishing attempts just to waste my time in a game I only briefly enjoyed.

It really it doesn't matter either way, because number of players really means nothing when the argument is what is the best RPG this year. Diablo 3 was a remarkably flawed game, and probably still is post 1.4, but I sure as hell am not going back to find out. 5 month after launch PvP still is not in the game.

And award wise? It won't win here. Quote me on it. Put it in your sig, make it your page banner, message every member of gamespot with the quote if you really want. Neither will Borderlands 2.

Vaasman

Well it ain't exactly prime time right now huh? Also that study, from what I can tell, is flawed. Using Xfire stats as a measure? That'd be valid if it took snapshots of player count across the entire game, but it only counts players who use its client. Who the hell uses Xfire at all these days? And not everyone hosts a public match. I've had mine disabled since launch.

As long as it's possible to find games instantly, that's still plenty of people. A ton? Not at all, but the game is far from dead at the moment. There's other games out now and I'd bet most feel finished after normal or nightmare.

As far as being an RPG goes, it's a very sh!tty one. Same goes for ME3 too. Off the top of my head, I really can't recall what good RPGs have come out this year (been lackluster so far and I haven't played Risen 2.) Until The Banner Saga or Paper Mario arrive, I think D3 is the best we've gotten so far.

If the demo is anything to go by, I agree.

mitu123

The only thing that could make that game bareable would be KB/M controls. I'd rather play ORC than RE6.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Really? Not one of my 10 friend who picked it up has touched it in months. None of them were masochistic enough for it. I've logged on briefly after 1.4 came out but I couldn't stomach a second more of the game, so I haven't played since beating inferno.

Last time I checked there weren't even 1000 public games during peak hours. A good deal of which were likely bots and hackers. Where are these "tons" of players still playing? Could you provide some stats? Or an article that doesn't discuss the huge player dropoff rate?

Vaasman

Well you could log on and see for yourself. I have never had trouble finding a full game. If somebody drops out, another person fills their spot almost instantaneously. There's plenty of people playing.

Public game wise at the moment, there are 277 available games on the European server, 480 on the Asian server, and 548 on the American server, totaling 1305 public games. Sure doesn't seem like the "ton" you've described considering the game sold 10+ million copies. Where is this "ton?" I mean I know it's a relative term but there is absolutely no way you can really consider 1305 games on a decuple platinum selling multiplayer game to be a "ton." Where is this ton you are talking about? Is it playing private games? That's quite a challenge to judge, although a few game statistics sites have suggested even including private games,the dropoff rate is around 65%. That was two months ago. From gaming sites xfire and gametric.

Let me put it another way.

8 years after it's launch, counterstrike source still has more games with players, and more players at any given time than Diablo 3 does now, around 5 months after launch. I would consider that a "ton." WoW still has 9 million subscribers 8 years later, I would consider that a "ton." I would not consider the number playing diablo 3 to be a "ton."

Though as far as I'm concerned, once my friends stop playing that's everyone. I'm sure as hell not risking gold spam and phishing attempts just to waste my time in a game I only briefly enjoyed.

It really it doesn't matter either way, because number of players really means nothing when the argument is what is the best RPG this year. Diablo 3 was a remarkably flawed game, and probably still is post 1.4, but I sure as hell am not going back to find out. 5 month after launch PvP still is not in the game.

And award wise? It won't win here. Quote me on it. Put it in your sig, make it your page banner, message every member of gamespot with the quote if you really want. Neither will Borderlands 2.

Oh, so you're one of those people who think that a game has to have hundreds of thousands of players online at any given time to be considered "lively". Yuck.

Not every game can be like CoD. Diablo 3's multiplayer is very very active. No way you can spin that.

I think D3 is the best we've gotten so far.

ChubbyGuy40

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Well you could log on and see for yourself. I have never had trouble finding a full game. If somebody drops out, another person fills their spot almost instantaneously. There's plenty of people playing.

Master_ShakeXXX

Public game wise at the moment, there are 277 available games on the European server, 480 on the Asian server, and 548 on the American server, totaling 1305 public games. Sure doesn't seem like the "ton" you've described considering the game sold 10+ million copies. Where is this "ton?" I mean I know it's a relative term but there is absolutely no way you can really consider 1305 games on a decuple platinum selling multiplayer game to be a "ton." Where is this ton you are talking about? Is it playing private games? That's quite a challenge to judge, although a few game statistics sites have suggested even including private games,the dropoff rate is around 65%. That was two months ago. From gaming sites xfire and gametric.

Let me put it another way.

8 years after it's launch, counterstrike source still has more games with players, and more players at any given time than Diablo 3 does now, around 5 months after launch. I would consider that a "ton." WoW still has 9 million subscribers 8 years later, I would consider that a "ton." I would not consider the number playing diablo 3 to be a "ton."

Though as far as I'm concerned, once my friends stop playing that's everyone. I'm sure as hell not risking gold spam and phishing attempts just to waste my time in a game I only briefly enjoyed.

It really it doesn't matter either way, because number of players really means nothing when the argument is what is the best RPG this year. Diablo 3 was a remarkably flawed game, and probably still is post 1.4, but I sure as hell am not going back to find out. 5 month after launch PvP still is not in the game.

And award wise? It won't win here. Quote me on it. Put it in your sig, make it your page banner, message every member of gamespot with the quote if you really want. Neither will Borderlands 2.

Oh, so you're one of those people who think that a game has to have hundreds of thousands of players online at any given time to be considered "lively". Yuck.

Not every game can be like CoD. Diablo 3's multiplayer is very very active. No way you can spin that.

Diablo 3? ROFL. Sorry, but no. I haven't played Borderlands 2 enough to judge it properly, but it seems to be pretty similar to the first one, so that's a no too. It's a fun little game, but just shooting things and collecting stuff isn't enough to be GOTY or even the best RPG, heck there is very little role playing in both games. We have had great games in the genre this year, like Mass Effect 3, Guild Wars 2, Legend of Grimrock. And Baldur's Gate: Enchanted Edition is just around corner.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Ok, I'm checking now. My last friend to play logged in 57 days ago. So in this controlled study, out of 11 gamers, 0 still play, and not one of them could be assed to get on and try 1.4. Well off to a good start.

Public game wise at the moment, there are 277 available games on the European server, 480 on the Asian server, and 548 on the American server, totaling 1305 public games. Sure doesn't seem like the "ton" you've described considering the game sold 10+ million copies. Where is this "ton?" I mean I know it's a relative term but there is absolutely no way you can really consider 1305 games on a decuple platinum selling multiplayer game to be a "ton." Where is this ton you are talking about? Is it playing private games? That's quite a challenge to judge, although a few game statistics sites have suggested even including private games,the dropoff rate is around 65%. That was two months ago. From gaming sites xfire and gametric.

Let me put it another way.

8 years after it's launch, counterstrike source still has more games with players, and more players at any given time than Diablo 3 does now, around 5 months after launch. I would consider that a "ton." WoW still has 9 million subscribers 8 years later, I would consider that a "ton." I would not consider the number playing diablo 3 to be a "ton."

Though as far as I'm concerned, once my friends stop playing that's everyone. I'm sure as hell not risking gold spam and phishing attempts just to waste my time in a game I only briefly enjoyed.

It really it doesn't matter either way, because number of players really means nothing when the argument is what is the best RPG this year. Diablo 3 was a remarkably flawed game, and probably still is post 1.4, but I sure as hell am not going back to find out. 5 month after launch PvP still is not in the game.

And award wise? It won't win here. Quote me on it. Put it in your sig, make it your page banner, message every member of gamespot with the quote if you really want. Neither will Borderlands 2.

Vaasman

Oh, so you're one of those people who think that a game has to have hundreds of thousands of players online at any given time to be considered "lively". Yuck.

Not every game can be like CoD. Diablo 3's multiplayer is very very active. No way you can spin that.

Well the dropoff rate has nothing to do with what I originally said, which was that there are still tons of people playing D3. It's not even close to being dead.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Oh, so you're one of those people who think that a game has to have hundreds of thousands of players online at any given time to be considered "lively". Yuck.

Not every game can be like CoD. Diablo 3's multiplayer is very very active. No way you can spin that.

Master_ShakeXXX

Well the dropoff rate has nothing to do with what I originally said, which was that there are still tons of people playing D3. It's not even close to being dead.

Do you really think the current playerbase constitutes a metaphorical ton, when compared to the sales of the game, the playerbase in the first couple weeks, or the statistics of other popular online RPG's?

GW2 walks all over any other RPG released this year.

Also it's stupid how you put *EDIT* in the OP when we can clearly see it wasn't edited :roll:

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Diablo 3 should win biggest dissappointment of 2012.

ChubbyGuy40

That belongs to RE6.

Nah, after RE5 people already lost hope for that series...

GW2 is so much overated :|MonsieurX

Dear God no

GW2 is so much overated :|MonsieurX

Guild Wars 2...

Xenoblade or The Last Story maybe????

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]It's a bit odd that out of everything I pointed out, that is all that you have in response. I mean hell even Chubby took the time to question the sources. Nowhere did I make any mention of the actual "liveliness" of the game, I am simply pointing out the colossal dropoff rate in the player base. And like I said, it hardly matters. The game isn't going to win best RPG here. It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. What good was in the game was balanced out with far to many stupid decisions and design flaws.

Vaasman

Well the dropoff rate has nothing to do with what I originally said, which was that there are still tons of people playing D3. It's not even close to being dead.

Do you really think the current playerbase constitutes a metaphorical ton, when compared to the sales of the game, the playerbase in the first couple weeks, or the statistics of other popular online RPG's?

I just don't see what this has to do with anything. I don't have to wait to find full games no matter what level of character I'm playing, and if anyone drops out/gets booted they're instantly replaced. In my eyes, the online community is very active. And once Blizzard adds more additions like PVP and the inevitable expansion packs more people will come back. The Paragon levels are a step in the right direction and a lot of people were pleased with those. Do you seriously think Blizzard would just abandon one of it's biggest IPs?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I think D3 is the best we've gotten so far.

Vaasman

Much rather play D3 than GW2. Got tired of it after the beta.

Nah, after RE5 people already lost hope for that series...

Wiiyou

RE5 was really good for co-op. Revelations restored hope that Capcom would make RE a game that's true to the series, like Revelations. Sadly, they decided to sh!t over the series yet again.

Dragon's Dogma.

I have Diablo 3, it is good but not as good as I expected and the graphic style is terrible. Looks like damn WOW, which is not good at all.

There have not been many RPG's this year, but so far Mass Effect 3 wins no doubt. Have not played Borderlands 2 so it is possible.

With one character, only halfway through the leveling and map, I've played Guild Wars 2 for longer than Mass Effect 3 and Diablo 3 combined. Don't say it doesn't have staying power. It's easily the best RPG to come out this year.

Borderlands owns Diablo anytime.

[QUOTE="planetjumper"]

torchlight 2 perhaps

Master_ShakeXXX

Oh please. That Diablo wannabe probably has a worse shot at winning than Kingdoms of Amalur.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I think D3 is the best we've gotten so far.

ChubbyGuy40

Much rather play D3 than GW2. Got tired of it after the beta.

Suit yourself.

It is either between The Last Story (much better than the single player mmo Xenoblade) and Guild Wars 2.

The Last Story gave me more fun per time invested whereas Guild Wars 2 gives me more fun per money invested.

As for GW2 and longetivity. Some people find the longetivity lacking due to the rather mediocre PvE endgame and lack of gear treadmill. I am having a blast in its PvP options though and 100%ing the world, so meh.