Bethesda - no excuse

By creating such a large world, Bethesda must have made it impossible for play testers to even scratch the surface of the play possibilities. Players who are determined to push the envelope - crawling, jumping, and swimming into every crevice of the landscape - are sure to find themselves stuck between two polygons with no way to continue except for suicide. Along these same lines is the game's tendency to crash occasionally for what seems to be no reason at all. Patches are bound to be forthcoming, but for now my recommendation is to save early and save often.

The above quote is not from a review of Skyrim, but from Gamespot's review of Daggerfall, which came out in 1996. The fact that, 15 years later, every Bethesda game still has the exact same problems is quite telling. Skyrim does not hold up at all with this considered.

i'm not seeing the problem here.

other than a few lockups and typical game crap skyrim has played great for me and i broke 140 hours this morning.

i am ticked that the patch reset all the objects in the world though. i miss those dragon skellys laying about in all the cities.

i think it only did that one reset though, now stuff is laying about like it is supposed to.

15 years later their games are even more complex, so???

i'm not seening the problem here.

other than a few lockups and typical game crap skyrim has played great for me and i broke 140 hours this morning.

i am ticked that the patch reset all the objects in the world though. i miss those dragon skellys laying about in all the cities.

i think it only did that one reset though, now stuff is laying about like it is supposed to.

Riverwolf007

They don't care. Sure other open world games have a small fraction of amound of glitches in their games with none being game breaking but,

"Skyrim is teh complex!!!" no excuse the game isn't even THAT good when I'm not fighting against terrible framerate and restarting my file because I can't start a quest.

i'm not seeing the problem here.

other than a few lockups and typical game crap skyrim has played great for me and i broke 140 hours this morning.

i am ticked that the patch reset all the objects in the world though. i miss those dragon skellys laying about in all the cities.

i think it only did that one reset though, now stuff is laying about like it is supposed to.

Riverwolf007

They don't care. Sure other open world games have a small fraction of amound of glitches in their games with none being game breaking but,

"Skyrim is teh complex!!!" no excuse the game isn't even THAT good when I'm not fighting against terrible framerate and restarting my file because I can't start a quest.

Jolt_counter119

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

They don't care. Sure other open world games have a small fraction of amound of glitches in their games with none being game breaking but,

"Skyrim is teh complex!!!" no excuse the game isn't even THAT good when I'm not fighting against terrible framerate and restarting my file because I can't start a quest.

grassotall

Funny, because I bought Dead Space 1, 2, Red Dead Redemption, Dark souls, Street Fighter 4, MvC 3, etc and they all ran fine.

[QUOTE="grassotall"][QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

They don't care. Sure other open world games have a small fraction of amound of glitches in their games with none being game breaking but,

"Skyrim is teh complex!!!" no excuse the game isn't even THAT good when I'm not fighting against terrible framerate and restarting my file because I can't start a quest.

Jolt_counter119

Funny, because I bought Dead Space 1, 2, Red Dead Redemption, Dark souls, Street Fighter 4, MvC 3, etc and they all ran fine.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i'm not seening the problem here.

other than a few lockups and typical game crap skyrim has played great for me and i broke 140 hours this morning.

i am ticked that the patch reset all the objects in the world though. i miss those dragon skellys laying about in all the cities.

i think it only did that one reset though, now stuff is laying about like it is supposed to.

SaltyMeatballs

i was mining today and even though i was not in crouch instead of sprinting when i hit lb the toon was doing the crouch stealth forward roll.

i had never seen that happen before and as soon as i left the mine it went away.

And in 2025 the problem will remain. It´s simply impossible to test all variables in a game this massive. Instead of hating this game for the fact it has some glitches, ppl should praise it for doing so much than the competition.

And in 2025 the problem will remain. It´s simply impossible to test all variables in a game this massive. Instead of hating this game for the fact it has some glitches, ppl should praise it for doing so much than the competition.

PAL360

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

15 years later their games are even more complex, so??SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.Peredith

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.Peredith

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning. Caves are a seperate load time, nothing is happening in the world once you enter a cave. Dragons randomly spawn, so it's not like theres hundreds of dragons flying around at all times. :roll: Consoles only have limited RAM, it's not like Skyrim is using more RAM than other games. Bethesda are terrible programmers, just look at when you play it. It's all over the place. It sounds great on paper, but when you play it's laughably bad.

[QUOTE="grassotall"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

Peredith

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning. Caves are a seperate load time, nothing is happening in the world once you enter a cave. Dragons randomly spawn, so it's not like theres hundreds of dragons flying around at all times. :roll: Consoles only have limited RAM, it's not like Skyrim is using more RAM than other games. Bethesda are terrible programmers, just look at when you play it. It's all over the place. It sounds great on paper, but when you play it's laughably bad.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="grassotall"]How is not intricately detailed? Huge terrain you can go inside every single building, interact with every single character, explore e very inch, the characters are essentially living day to day lives, every character you kill remains where you killed. Hell I went in a caste and the Yarl was talking to gaurds telling them to go check out a cave, I got distracted went out into Skyrim to loot 5 minutes later and they were running towards the cave, so I decided to follow them, they got in a fight with a couple mages on the way and evenutally made it to the cave and fought off a dragon. There's a ton of stuff like this going on at all times in Skyrim. It's the most detailed world ever created by a wide margin.grassotall

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning. Caves are a seperate load time, nothing is happening in the world once you enter a cave. Dragons randomly spawn, so it's not like theres hundreds of dragons flying around at all times. :roll: Consoles only have limited RAM, it's not like Skyrim is using more RAM than other games. Bethesda are terrible programmers, just look at when you play it. It's all over the place. It sounds great on paper, but when you play it's laughably bad.

You've got it backwards, I'm explaining my issues with the game, and you're overlooking the glaring flaws because you're so obsessed with the game. No wonder why Bethesda can get away with it time after time. Hell, even Stalker managed to fixed a majority of the bugs by it's third game.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Meh use the console command.wis3boi

Strange, because I had atleast 9 quest breaking bugs that I had to load a previous save from.

Whiners

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning.

Peredith

Honest question - would you honestly, 60 hours into the game, notice the difference between a yellow popular vs a red oak vs a white oak vs the million other types of trees there are?

Same thing with rocks - would you notice different rock formations besides two things having different colors? Even in real life, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between trees besides it has spiny leaves vs broad leaves. And even then I doubt most people barely know which whether the nearest tree to them right now is coniferous or deciduous. Admittedly, the only reason I know is because I did a project on different tree types last year.

Skyrim has faults, but I find the idea that Bethesda should have include a varied collection of rock and tree types to be silly. Do you go to public parks and complain that the state didn't plant enough bald cypress trees compared to birch trees?

Any game that has these kind of technical issues, no matter how "ambitious" it is doesn't deserve AAA ever.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning.

Kickinurass

Honest question - would you honestly, 60 hours into the game, notice the difference between a yellow popular vs a red oak vs a white oak vs the million other types of trees there are?

Same thing with rocks - would you notice different rock formations besides two things having different colors? Even in real life, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between trees besides it has spiny leaves vs broad leaves. And even then I doubt most people barely know which whether the nearest tree to them right now is coniferous or deciduous. Admittedly, the only reason I know is because I did a project on different tree types last year.

Skyrim has faults, but I find the idea that Bethesda should have include a varied collection of rock and tree types to be silly. Do you go to public parks and complain that the state didn't plant enough bald cypress trees compared to birch trees?

I don't think people are knocking it for not having varied collection of useless things but people claiming how intricate and complex the game is, if you listened to Skyrim fanboys you'd think this is the biggest most complex game ever made in the history of video games.

Was it really that hard for Bethesda to run Q&A or do a beta, or extensive bugtesting on the game before they released it?
I mean, the most common problem they have is terrible framerate issues when playing 50-80 hours on PS3...

YOU MEAN BETHESDA DID NOT EVEN PLAY THE GAME ON THE PS3 FOR a mere 50 HOURS THEMSELVES???

But hold on, it gets worse. Remember the texture issues when installing to a hard drive on the 360 that became apparent as soon as you boot op the game?
YOU MEAN BETHESDA DID NOT EVEN PLAY/TEST THE 360 VERSION AT ALL?

How goddamn lazy can a dev get and hide under the excuse of "It's a big game, we can't test it all"?
Any competent dev should have noticed these problems before release, and at the VERY LEAST have had a patch day 1 if they noticed this too late.
But nope.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]15 years later their games are even more complex, so??foxhound_fox

Are the console versions really this bad? Really glad I got a PC when I did...

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] this.mems_1224

So consumers are at fault for not buying it on the "right" system? :?

I don't think people are knocking it for not having varied collection of useless things but people claiming how intricate and complex the game is, if you listened to Skyrim fanboys you'd think this is the biggest most complex game ever made in the history of video games.

Jolt_counter119

Well, they just haven't realize how unbalanced the game is yet :P They'll come around though when they steamroll through dungeons, traps, and the final fight like it ain't no thang :P

Holy crap I just read that review yesterday!

I never even realized someone would mention Daggerfall again, and especially not the review I read for the first and last time yesterday.

But honestly, Bethesda games aren't nearly as bugged now as their past titles. Daggerfall was enormous, about half the size of Great Britain across the lands of Hammerfell and High Rock, with thousands upon thousands of towns and cities.

Now they focus on detail, voice acting, individuality in NPC's and character growth, and polish of course (or more so then before).

Actually, I believe Daggerfall was said to be over 400,000 kilometers of pure landscape. Skyrim is at around 40.

So it was a bit more forgivable for Daggerfall. :P

Holy crap I just read that review yesterday!

I never even realized someone would mention Daggerfall again, and especially not the review I read for the first and last time yesterday.

But honestly, Bethesda games aren't nearly as bugged now as their past titles. Daggerfall was enormous, about half the size of Great Britain across the lands of Hammerfell and High Rock, with thousands upon thousands of towns and cities.

Now they focus on detail, voice acting, individuality in NPC's and character growth, and polish of course (or more so then before).

SPYDER0416

Is Daggerfall considered the largest videogame ever made?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Half the terrain is filled with the same trees and rocks, and is pretty barren 90% of the time, apart from the odd monster spawning.

Kickinurass

Honest question - would you honestly, 60 hours into the game, notice the difference between a yellow popular vs a red oak vs a white oak vs the million other types of trees there are?

Same thing with rocks - would you notice different rock formations besides two things having different colors? Even in real life, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between trees besides it has spiny leaves vs broad leaves. And even then I doubt most people barely know which whether the nearest tree to them right now is coniferous or deciduous.

Damn, why are so many people only capable of being either extreme?

They are either mentally incompetent fanboys, or mentally incompetent haters....

As for me, Bethesda has its fault, and needs to improve. But Skyrim is a hell of a game, even with its bugs.

Damn, why are so many people only capable of being either extreme?

They are either mentally incompetent fanboys, or mentally incompetent haters....

As for me, Bethesda has its fault, and needs to improve. But Skyrim is a hell of a game, even with its bugs.

LORD_BLACKGULT

You'll never be able to fully test a game of such size. They are still finding bugs in WoW even after all of these years.

Games on this scale will never be polished.

This isn't CoD or Farmville. The levels aren't the size of the basements that the kids play the game in, they are massive and open. The amount of gameplay possibilities are practically endless. You can't ever perfect something like that. Ever.