Bethesda - no excuse

Are the console versions really this bad? Really glad I got a PC when I did...

Ross_the_Boss6

No, they play fine and would have about the same bugs as the PC version.

The problem is in a memory leak issue that seems to affect some of the PS3 copies. Not all of them (since I have a friend with almost 200 hours and 0 issues whatsoever), but some, and with varying times due to the RAM.

Supposedly the 360 version has a similar issue, but is much rarer and is only rumored to happen after a very long playtime.

This means the PC version would suffer too depending on how small your RAM is, but I imagine you'd need to have a lot of background programs running on like 2 gb of RAM for issues like that to be so prevalant. What are the system requirements for RAM on Skyrim again?

You'll never be able to fully test a game of such size. They are still finding bugs in WoW even after all of these years.

Games on this scale will never be polished.

This isn't CoD or Farmville. The levels aren't the size of the basements that the kids play the game in, they are massive and open. The amount of gameplay possibilities are practically endless. You can't ever perfect something like that. Ever.

Wasdie

What they did with the ps3 version is unacceptable by any standards in any universe. Saving every dead body and moved item isn't even a cool feature, definitely not cool enough to warrant ruining the game for.

Nothing wrong with Bethesda making games that have bugs, because their games are so big and complex. Now, as for Battlefield 3 having all those problems despite a short, crappy, linear campaign and cookie-cutter multiplayer...PandaBear86

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Better make a smaller game you actually can handle than make a unplayable game filled with bugs. Oh btw Skyrim can feel more shallow than a linear "smallworld"-game...

When you look at the amount of systems running in Skyrim it's pretty amazing that the game runs at all.

i WANT to like their games. they just make it so hard to. ChikaraShref

Understandable.

Unfortunantly, quite a few here are nitpicking and overblowing minor things, and being extremely hyperbolic.

If one does not like the game, present a reasonable argument. If one likes skyrim, present a reasonable argument. Not too hard... but I digress, this is SW afterall.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]its their fault they dont do research, yeamems_1224

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] i WANT to like their games. they just make it so hard to. LORD_BLACKGULT

Understandable.

Unfortunantly, quite a few here are nitpicking and overblowing minor things, and being extremely hyperbolic.

If one does not like the game, present a reasonable argument. If one likes skyrim, present a reasonable argument. Not too hard... but I digress, this is SW afterall.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] nothing game breaking about it if you bought it on the right systems, 360 and PC. if you buy a bethesda game on PS3 and then complain at this point you're just dumbmems_1224

Why should they have to at all? A game that works properly is supposed to be the rule, not the exception.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Lol how is Skyrim "intriciately detailed". It's just a huge copy and paste fest. Quests breaking, sure, that's understandable, but dragons flying backwards, NPCs running ontop of horses, horses running vertically upcliffs, ragdolls going crazy, thats just poor programming. You don't see GTA4 with any of those bugs.

Why do people say this crap? Saving your character's progress(locations{of player/npcs/objects}, interactions) NPC schedules, scenery/terrain, wow... amazing, that's never been done before. :roll:

It's just shoddy, let's look at WoW, Blizzard made the game somewhat shoddily initially, and now they're paying for it in updates, causing bugs and inabilities to implement features constantly. Their original idea for minor glyphs was to change spell colors, but they screwed up making the spells in the first place, and now it's too much work for them to fix/implement that feature w/o just rebuilding that part of, if not the whole, game.

It's just lazyness/lack of skill on Bethesda's part in the first place. They can't even get a save file to work correctly.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] nopemems_1224

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] nopemems_1224

Yeah, how dare they buy a game assuming it works properly.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] so you're saying its the consumers fault that they expected a game to work? :?Demonjoe93

Why should they have to at all? A game that works properly is supposed to be the rule, not the exception.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] so tell me, why should it be the consumers responsibility to know if a game works or not?ChikaraShref

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]its their fault they dont do research, yeamems_1224

Why should they have to at all? A game that works properly is supposed to be the rule, not the exception.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] so tell me, why should it be the consumers responsibility to know if a game works or not?Demonjoe93

Yeah, how dare they buy a game assuming it works properly.

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"] because if they dont know what they are buying then they deserve to get screwedmems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] so tell me, why should it be the consumers responsibility to know if a game works or not?ChikaraShref

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] because if they dont know what they are buying then they deserve to get screwedmems_1224

Yeah, how dare they buy a game assuming it works properly.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] because if they dont know what they are buying then they deserve to get screwedmems_1224

Yeah, how dare they buy a game assuming it works properly.

Even if it didn't work fine you wouldn't say. You need to stay credible right? The game is buggy and at times broken for A LOT of people, there is no excuse, maybe for a bug here and there but Bugthesda take it to the next level.

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"] because if they dont know what they are buying then they deserve to get screwedFirebird-5

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Why should they have to at all? A game that works properly is supposed to be the rule, not the exception.

ChikaraShref

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] skyrim works just fine for me. i have had 0 game breaking bugs and nothing that has really annoyed me. if anything alot of the bugs are pretty cool. a few freezes here and there but its expected when you play a game 100+ hoursmems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Yeah, how dare they buy a game assuming it works properly.

ChikaraShref

Even if it didn't work fine you wouldn't say. You need to stay credible right? The game is buggy and at times broken for A LOT of people, there is no excuse, maybe for a bug here and there but Bugthesda take it to the next level.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] because if they dont know what they are buying then they deserve to get screwedmems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] and you won't get mad if you happen upon a bug that corrupts your save and you have to start over from scratch?ChikaraShref

i have. and it comes down to their lack of QA. its unacceptable. for the landscape thing, i couldn't care less. but all their games end up being nothing but a buggy mess. just have to cross your fingers and hope your saves don't get corrupted...ChikaraShref

Indeed. That is reasonable. (I wasn't refering to you when I said stuff about nitpicking and such.) However, it may just be me, but "a buggy mess" seems like a hyperbole, though. That may be due to the fact that I've played games that are literally unplayable due to bug, and Skyrim isn't one of them. And yes, QA need a ton of improvement.

The thing I am sick of is when people have unreasonable argument about Skyrim, such as:

"The physics of Skyrim are not 100% perfect. Skyrim suck becuz of it."

"The phases of the moon are impossible in our reality. Skyrim is dumb."

...And so on... But, really, this is System Wars. Par for the course, I guess.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] because everyone has time to do that, instead of PLAYING the games, right??? not to mention not everyone has internet access. some are even stuck on 56k still or can't afford it...

GearsOfWarLover

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] nothing game breaking about it if you bought it on the right systems, 360 and PC. if you buy a bethesda game on PS3 and then complain at this point you're just dumbmems_1224

So I guess its their fault for buying a game, on the only gaming system they have? And that these issues didn't become pronounced until a while after release? And that the issue is completely random and could totally screw their game up, or not at all (so they could very well have looked it up, and some people they talked to never had the problem)?

Lol, its a good thing you weren't a lawyer for that Asbestos Flooring company after everyone sued them.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] like i said, skyrim works just fine. people over exaggerate mems_1224

Even if it didn't work fine you wouldn't say. You need to stay credible right? The game is buggy and at times broken for A LOT of people, there is no excuse, maybe for a bug here and there but Bugthesda take it to the next level.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] have never had that happen with any bethesda game and i have lots of saves so no worries for me

mems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] so you're saying its the consumers fault that they expected a game to work? :?SPYDER0416

So I guess its their fault for buying a game, on the only gaming system they have? And that these issues didn't become pronounced until a while after release? And that the issue is completely random and could totally screw their game up, or not at all (so they could very well have looked it up, and some people they talked to never had the problem)?

Lol, its a good thing you weren't a lawyer for that Asbestos Flooring company after everyone sued them.

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] sounds like a personal problem to me. most people dont have that problem.mems_1224

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[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"]

Even if it didn't work fine you wouldn't say. You need to stay credible right? The game is buggy and at times broken for A LOT of people, there is no excuse, maybe for a bug here and there but Bugthesda take it to the next level.

GearsOfWarLover

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"] Really?? its surprising, nobody goes on the internet to find out if a game works properly with system, only for PC games have i done that, you are wrong just admit it, if people wanted more information about the game they would check the reviews and scores, and what were the reviews of skyrim PS3?? same as xbox360, it was later when they found out ps3 version was terrible, so how is it the consumers fault?? GearsOfWarLover

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] not broken for me. thats all that matters

mems_1224

Yea your just one of "those" people i see, if u have a problem with your life u want people to help you, but if someone else has a problem with their life, who cares right?? its not you...

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"] Really?? its surprising, nobody goes on the internet to find out if a game works properly with system, only for PC games have i done that, you are wrong just admit it, if people wanted more information about the game they would check the reviews and scores, and what were the reviews of skyrim PS3?? same as xbox360, it was later when they found out ps3 version was terrible, so how is it the consumers fault?? GearsOfWarLover

I thought Fallout 3 was pretty bad for the PS3 on release? And Oblivion wasn't realeased on nearly the same date for PS3/360 so they had time to figure the bugs out.

Still, I generally agree with you over the other guy. It's not the customer's fault if the game is buggy and they have every right to complain. Bethesda needs to know this is a problem. Every version of the game should be great, not just one.

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] bethesda games always suck on ps3. nothing new

mems_1224

Not that i know of, ps3 version of oblivion ran smoother than 360, and fallout 3 probably had some problems, but after one or two patches it was fixed, both of these are far from being as bad as skyrim, its the developers fault, no doubt about it

Are the console versions really this bad? Really glad I got a PC when I did...

Ross_the_Boss6

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] bethesda games always suck on ps3. nothing new

Ross_the_Boss6

I thought Fallout 3 was pretty bad for the PS3 on release? And Oblivion wasn't realeased on nearly the same date for PS3/360 so they had time to figure the bugs out.

Still, I generally agree with you over the other guy. It's not the customer's fault if the game is buggy and they have every right to complain. Bethesda needs to know this is a problem. Every version of the game should be great, not just one.

Saying its the customer's fault for Bethesda's screw up is like saying its the fault of a serial killer victim for getting killed by a serial killer.

[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] bethesda games always suck on ps3. nothing new

Ross_the_Boss6

I thought Fallout 3 was pretty bad for the PS3 on release? And Oblivion wasn't realeased on nearly the same date for PS3/360 so they had time to figure the bugs out.

Still, I generally agree with you over the other guy. It's not the customer's fault if the game is buggy and they have every right to complain. Bethesda needs to know this is a problem. Every version of the game should be great, not just one.