Bethesda - no excuse

i save every hour, i have 10 saves exactly, every time i save, which is a new save, i delete the oldest save, apart from 2 loading screen crashes, 1 dancing cow, a couple of framrate hiccups and some downscaled textures (which i have not had since 1.2 patch) i have had no problems and i am pushing 100 hours, 232 locations found, 52 quests completed, 102 dungeons cleared and more than 102,000 gold in my pocket with 160,000 gold already spent, level 37 pure fighter, no enchanted weapons/armour, no spells no, magical resistances, just fine ebony armour, ebony shield (fine), fine glass sword and fine ebony bow, no houses bought, no items stored in containers,12MB save files,NO PROBLEM.delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i save every hour, i have 10 saves exactly, every time i save, which is a new save, i delete the oldest save, apart from 2 loading screen crashes, 1 dancing cow, a couple of framrate hiccups and some downscaled textures (which i have not had since 1.2 patch) i have had no problems and i am pushing 100 hours, 232 locations found, 52 quests completed, 102 dungeons cleared and more than 102,000 gold in my pocket with 160,000 gold already spent, level 37 pure fighter, no enchanted weapons/armour, no spells no, magical resistances, just fine ebony armour, ebony shield (fine), fine glass sword and fine ebony bow, no houses bought, no items stored in containers,12MB save files,NO PROBLEM.GearsOfWarLover

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

The force is strong in this one.

apologists. apologists everywhereFirebird-5

They are lazy or they dont have any QA worth mentioning. But its okey. They get a free pass because they are bethesda and their game is awesome... Ok to bad its not that awesome.... Its only Oblivion v2.0 nothing special overall average.KalDurenik

I'd like to see you test the game and find all the glitches, bugs, and problem, and then write out a whole page worth of what is wrong with the game and then go back and maybe spend over 500 hours combing the world making sure that everything is perfect. Rinse and repeat.

Face it, no one can test a Bethesda game, they'd be doing it till the day the cows come home...which will never happen BTW. ;)

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]They are lazy or they dont have any QA worth mentioning. But its okey. They get a free pass because they are bethesda and their game is awesome... Ok to bad its not that awesome.... Its only Oblivion v2.0 nothing special overall average.Goyoshi12

I'd like to see you test the game and find all the glitches, bugs, and problem, and then write out a whole page worth of what is wrong with the game and then go back and maybe spend over 500 hours combing the world making sure that everything is perfect. Rinse and repeat.

Face it, no one can test a Bethesda game, they'd be doing it till the day the cows come home...which will never happen BTW. ;)

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[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]They are lazy or they dont have any QA worth mentioning. But its okey. They get a free pass because they are bethesda and their game is awesome... Ok to bad its not that awesome.... Its only Oblivion v2.0 nothing special overall average.KalDurenik

I'd like to see you test the game and find all the glitches, bugs, and problem, and then write out a whole page worth of what is wrong with the game and then go back and maybe spend over 500 hours combing the world making sure that everything is perfect. Rinse and repeat.

Face it, no one can test a Bethesda game, they'd be doing it till the day the cows come home...which will never happen BTW. ;)

I am...man...get off the Dark Knight pill man. It's corrupting you! :P

Anyways, no I don't mean they only had one I was saying I would like to see YOU test the game and help find all the glitches. With everything that goes on in the game and given the factors of the time, the place, the action, and the player's involvement, it's hard to say that the QA will fnd everything wrong with the game. I mean, some glitches can probably be made by player command and the player would hardly know what happened or if he inntiated the command.

Not to mention, yeah, there may have been many QA or their might be little to none, the fact still remains that there will be some gltiches that can never be caught. No matter how hard you work at the problem. :(

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

finally a smart comment from this guy

You underestimate humans and the human brain. We learn areas, environments and landmarks by remembering big differences but not always small differences. Even games require spatial awareness, orientation and learning. Look up on experiments with original Doom if you're interested. It's not helping if every rock formation or tree looks the same, even if they differ in minute details in Skyrim.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Even in architecture, where the use of the same tree is glaringly obvious (It's often either a slight color or transparency change between the same 2D model) no one cares about variation among tree. I've got 4 years of precedent of people just not caring about trees.

All you got is this vague psychological claim that I am underestimating the human brain. I don't believe I am - I'm simply stating a fact that our brains are not usually focused on aboreal variety unless there is a distinct goal to be had. My was academia - his appears to be looking for a fault - a minute one - to blow out of proportion. Of the top of my head, only Minecraft stands out for having different phenotypes of trees. What other game have you ever played where you were seriously taken back by the lack of tree representation.

Serious question.

Pc version is fantastic, thats all I know.

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

This is everything I wanna say. What do people expect when it comes to a large game. It's going to have bugs and if you don't like it don't play it it's that simple.

Meh im not impressed overall. Some of the bugs... The number of times i had to replay a dungeon or redo a quest because of a broken trigger / event, npc's falling under the world, doors not opening, puzzles not working. It's... Sad.KalDurenik

[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.HaloPimp978

This is everything I wanna say. What do people expect when it comes to a large game. It's going to have bugs and if you don't like it don't play it it's that simple.

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[QUOTE="grassotall"]Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.themajormayor

This is everything I wanna say. What do people expect when it comes to a large game. It's going to have bugs and if you don't like it don't play it it's that simple.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

This is everything I wanna say. What do people expect when it comes to a large game. It's going to have bugs and if you don't like it don't play it it's that simple.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] I played alot of open world games without bugs. RDR, Infamous, Assassin's Creed, Just cause 2 etc etc. Maybe there are some here and there but not in any way close to what I'm hearing about Skyrim. They're just sucky developers.themajormayor

PS3 fine? Other versions crap? :?

Does not compute. :|

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"] Which version? PC and Xbox have glitches but I think people are overinflating them. As for the PS3...well...let's not go down that territory shall we? :?

PS3 fine? Other versions crap? :?

Does not compute. :|

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] PS3 version is fine. It's the other two which has a long list of bugsthemajormayor

PS3 fine? Other versions crap? :?

Does not compute. :|

Myth? Does really not compute. :|

You mean the slowdown lag, save breaking, game breaking glitch that happens 100 hours in on the PS3 is a myth? Or have you just not gotten that far yet? :?

Still a fun game despite the bugs. I'd rather take a few bugs than a rail shooter rpg.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

PS3 fine? Other versions crap? :?

Does not compute. :|

Goyoshi12

Myth? Does really not compute. :|

You mean the slowdown lag, save breaking, game breaking glitch that happens 100 hours in on the PS3 is a myth? Or have you just not gotten that far yet? :?

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Cause the only bug I heard about the PS3 turned out to be a mere myth. On the other hand the other versions has long lists of bugs. themajormayor

Myth? Does really not compute. :|

You mean the slowdown lag, save breaking, game breaking glitch that happens 100 hours in on the PS3 is a myth? Or have you just not gotten that far yet? :?

Last I saw on a PS3 Skyrim Hate Thread there were TONS of people who had the problem. Plues apparently they say the fixes don't work or something like that. Could just be haters I suppose. :?

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]15 years later their games are even more complex, so??foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Cause the only bug I heard about the PS3 turned out to be a mere myth. On the other hand the other versions has long lists of bugs. themajormayor

Myth? Does really not compute. :|

You mean the slowdown lag, save breaking, game breaking glitch that happens 100 hours in on the PS3 is a myth? Or have you just not gotten that far yet? :?

im a 100 hours in on the 360 version and the only bug ive experienced is flying into the air when a giant kills me

im a 100 hours in on the 360 version and the only bug ive experienced is flying into the air when a giant kills me

max-Emadness

gamebreaking bugs are now acceptable?ChikaraShref

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[QUOTE="GearsOfWarLover"] False, did oblivion suck on ps3?? nope, did fallout 3 suck on the ps3, nope, it wasnt as smooth as 360 version, but no where near to suckingChikaraShref

I thought Fallout 3 was pretty bad for the PS3 on release? And Oblivion wasn't realeased on nearly the same date for PS3/360 so they had time to figure the bugs out.

Still, I generally agree with you over the other guy. It's not the customer's fault if the game is buggy and they have every right to complain. Bethesda needs to know this is a problem. Every version of the game should be great, not just one.

Skyrim has been surprisingly bug-free on PC for me.

The awfull textures though.......

Skyrim has been surprisingly bug-free on PC for me.

The awfull textures though.......

MlauTheDaft

Bugs are prevalent in all open-world RPGs - they're pretty much unavoidable. Even so, Bethesda should be held to a higher standard than other open-world developers, since they have more money for playtesting, and they're making simpler and less ambitious games than other open-world devs.

For Skyrim to repeat most of Oblivion's bugs, and to be even more unstable after three patches than it was originally...that's very poor on their behalf, and betrays an immense amount of incompetence on behalf of their coders/testers.

I don't have a problem with a game having a few small bugs. However, I have a problem with a game that is released as a beta. This needs to stop. Consumers should not get a beta at launch day; they should get a finished product.

Games that are enormous and intricately detailed have bugs. Live with it or play with shallow linear titles for the rest of your life.grassotall

Indeed, if Bethesda got hung up on testing every concievable possiblity they'd never release one of their games.

Indeed, if Bethesda got hung up on testing every concievable possiblity they'd never release one of their games.

Snugenz

That's a fair point, but here it looks like they didn't do more than the bare minimum of testing, given the sheer volume of immediately-obvious issues the game has.

Possibly because they were aiming for the highly marketable 11/11/11 release date, and weren't going to let little things like'not quite finishing the game' get in the way of that.

Why can't Bethesda spending more time play testing? It looks like as though Bethesda don't even care about the bugs which plague their games.

Why can't Bethesda spending more time play testing? It looks like as though Bethesda don't even care about the bugs which plague their games.

gameking5000

sony made the ps3 the way it is. its their fault. no one wants to spend time unlocking the true power of the cell and optimising for it. microsoft stayed cool and didnt need to lie their pants off with 120 fps 4d hardware. infact i even dare to claim skyrim as a PC/XBOX multiplat as ps3 is virtually unplayable. NotAFanboy7

typical fanboy respond, it's like being a heart Surgery, the heart is complicated so i'm going to do a half the work and believeme the heart is complicated more then the PS3 ever be. PS3 is the heart and Bethesda is the heart surgent and well they f****k upnot only on ps3 but PC and x360 as well. any way they are getting paid for it so its their job to find out how the PS3 works and pc, x360 have problems too there is a reason they all recived a patch. nobody makes my job easy

By creating such a large world, Bethesda must have made it impossible for play testers to even scratch the surface of the play possibilities. Players who are determined to push the envelope - crawling, jumping, and swimming into every crevice of the landscape - are sure to find themselves stuck between two polygons with no way to continue except for suicide. Along these same lines is the game's tendency to crash occasionally for what seems to be no reason at all. Patches are bound to be forthcoming, but for now my recommendation is to save early and save often.

Or just type tcl in the console :lol:

All of Bethesda games have been buggy and while I don't care about the minor ones, they should fix the major ones that people are having. That being said the issues seem to vary from person to person, I have over 60 hours in and still no major problems so far, just a few minor ones.

I'm sure that Bethesda will fix it soon for the people who are having issues, and don't go around bashing the PS3 version either as the 360 version has it's own share of bugs too. People just won't admit it.

All of Bethesda games have been buggy and while I don't care about the minor ones, they should fix the major ones that people are having. That being said the issues seem to vary from person to person, I have over 60 hours in and still no major problems so far, just a few minor ones.

I'm sure that Bethesda will fix it soon for the people who are having issues, and don't go around bashing the PS3 version either as the 360 version has it's own share of bugs too. People just won't admit it.

ShadowMoses900