Better graphics: Gears 2 or MGS4?

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"]tough call, suprisingly... /unbiased multiplatformer JackDaniels121

I think overall Gears will be more impressive looking. Like BAM! in your face.

But I don't think I will ever see a console game with huge environments as MGS4 while looking amazing at the same time. Especially Shadow Moses and and South America.

Just incredible. The little details especially like depth of field, realistic and perfect amount of bloom lighting, enormous variety in textures, and great art design.

MGS4 does not have depth of field.

Yes it does.

Anyway, I don't think MGS4 really looks as good as people say. It's good looking, but something along the realms of bioshock when it came out or mass effect- good looking, but who really cares again?

Proof? The only depth of field I noticed was during the cutscenes.

[QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]

Yes it does.

Anyway, I don't think MGS4 really looks as good as people say. It's good looking, but something along the realms of bioshock when it came out or mass effect- good looking, but who really cares again?

AAllxxjjnn

Proof? The only depth of field I noticed was during the cutscenes.

How can someone prove it to you if you don't notice it? Neither can you prove that it doesn't, but it surely does.

Taken from 1UP review:

The world itself looks stunningly realistic, with a vast array of detailed textures covering the surfaces, a multitude of objects (including Snake himself) casting lifelike shadows (including perfect self-shadowing), and highly effective use of depth-of-field and subtle motion blur which lends the whole experience a graphical blitzkrieg unlike anything currently on consoles.

Maybe you just don't notice it, but I don't know why :?. MGS4 is an amazing looking game and even more amazing considering how big the environments are and the action going on.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]

Yes it does.

Anyway, I don't think MGS4 really looks as good as people say. It's good looking, but something along the realms of bioshock when it came out or mass effect- good looking, but who really cares again?



TREAL_Since

realistic and perfect amount of bloom lighting

TREAL_Since

there is no 'realistic' amount of bloom lighting. bloom doesn't happen in real life, unless you have some sort of brutal eye condition or just got home from the optometrist and had drops put in. or if you just got out of a pool that was heavely chlorinated.. or if you're looking at the world through a crappy pre 80s/90s era camera..

bloom was originally used to simulate the optical oddities that would happen in photography and early film. for some reason stupid game devs use it everywhere now and it's annoying as hell imo. should only be used in games when a camera is being used imo.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]

Yes it does.

Anyway, I don't think MGS4 really looks as good as people say. It's good looking, but something along the realms of bioshock when it came out or mass effect- good looking, but who really cares again?

TREAL_Since

Proof? The only depth of field I noticed was during the cutscenes.

How can someone prove it to you if you don't notice it? Neither can you prove that it doesn't, but it surely does.

Taken from 1UP review:

The world itself looks stunningly realistic, with a vast array of detailed textures covering the surfaces, a multitude of objects (including Snake himself) casting lifelike shadows (including perfect self-shadowing), and highly effective use of depth-of-field and subtle motion blur which lends the whole experience a graphical blitzkrieg unlike anything currently on consoles.

Maybe you just don't notice it, but I don't know why :?. MGS4 is an amazing looking game and even more amazing considering how big the environments are and the action going on.

Screenshots, that's how. But i'm guessing MGS4's depth of Field effect is so subtle i didnt notice it like i noticed in Crysis or Call of Duty 4.

Is that even a serious question lol

Movie gear solid 4 looks on par with cod4 so Gears 2 crushes it.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

realistic and perfect amount of bloom lighting

3picuri3

there is no 'realistic' amount of bloom lighting. bloom doesn't happen in real life, unless you have some sort of brutal eye condition or just got home from the optometrist and had drops put in.

Wow way to be picky. I meant realistic lighting and perfect amount of bloom :lol:.

Is that even a serious question lol

Movie gear solid 4 looks on par with cod4 so Gears 2 crushes it.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

MGS4 is also rendered at sub-HD resolutions and upscaled - that should immediately make it lose some points in terms of visual fidelity, but stubborn cows will argue the other side - the same stubborn cows that used to hammer 360 games for being less than 720p :P

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

realistic and perfect amount of bloom lighting

TREAL_Since

there is no 'realistic' amount of bloom lighting. bloom doesn't happen in real life, unless you have some sort of brutal eye condition or just got home from the optometrist and had drops put in.

Wow way to be picky. I meant realistic lighting and perfect amount of bloom :lol:.

that's much better!

heh, sorry. bloom is a bit of a pet peeve of mine :) also really annoys me when games use lens flare when you're in first person mode, again it's something that is unique to the camera, not the human eye.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]From what ive seen of GeoW2, it has the edge. MGS4 has great looking character models, but its environments can be questionable at times, and its textures are distractingly bad.TREAL_Since

Yeah. But I honestly can think of a game that looks as amazing as MGS4 with those huge environments. That's what makes it so technically impressive. Some blurry textures yes, but the variety and art make up for it IMO. There are some high-res textures of course in certain areas, but some quality had to be sacrificed for all of the other amazing graphical effects.

And when you say environments can be questionable... Do you mean some texture resolution or the level design?

Im talking just graphics on a technical level. Yeah, the MSG4 art direction is better, and i wasnt talking level design, just graphics. But i still think GeoW2 will look better.

Can't really tell, but MGS in my opinion

Gears rely's on alot of lighting to give the impression of good looking.

Can't really tell, but MGS in my opinion

Gears rely's on alot of lighting to give the impression of good looking.

All_that_is_Man

that's actually true of both games :)

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

Is that even a serious question lol

Movie gear solid 4 looks on par with cod4 so Gears 2 crushes it.

3picuri3

MGS4 is also rendered at sub-HD resolutions and upscaled - that should immediately make it lose some points in terms of visual fidelity, but stubborn cows will argue the other side - the same stubborn cows that used to hammer 360 games for being less than 720p :P

MGS4 Runs at 768p KTHXBYE

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Yeah. But I honestly can think of a game that looks as amazing as MGS4 with those huge environments. That's what makes it so technically impressive. Some blurry textures yes, but the variety and art make up for it IMO. There are some high-res textures of course in certain areas, but some quality had to be sacrificed for all of the other amazing graphical effects.

And when you say environments can be questionable... Do you mean some texture resolution or the level design?

-DrRobotnik-

Im talking just graphics on a technical level. Yeah, the MSG4 art direction is better, and i wasnt talking level design, just graphics. But i still think GeoW2 will look better.

I understand :). My whole point was that you have to take the size of the game into consideration. I doubt we will see a game for a long time on consoles that looks as good as MGS4 with the same amount of action and large open environments.

I think Gears 2 looks better. But what if Epic made a game the size of MGS4? I don't know if it will be as impressive.

People downplay MGS4 graphics a lot. It is the graphics king right now. But Gears 2 will take the crown when it comes outCouth_

Hell no. It goes

Dead Space/Gears of War>>>MGS4

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]

Yes it does.

Anyway, I don't think MGS4 really looks as good as people say. It's good looking, but something along the realms of bioshock when it came out or mass effect- good looking, but who really cares again?



II_Seraphim_II

That grandpa fight was L.A.M.E.

What was so great about Shadow Moses?

That proposal scene was the most pointless, overdramatic thing I have scene. Kojima should be embarassed for putting that garbage in a video game.

tough call, suprisingly... /unbiased multiplatformer di_sgt_barber

MGS4 , Easily ps3wizard45

gears 2, Easily

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]MGS4 , Easily danxxx

gears 2, Easily

Force Unleashed, easily :)

*number 307, you're next*

I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Rafinator

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Gears of War 2 has better graphics.

But will it's gameplay beat Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Partriots?

MGS 4

GeOW has too much textures pop in and not enough enemies on screen for my taste

MGS 4

GeOW has too much textures pop in and not enough enemies on screen for my taste

-Mad_Rhetoric-

Excellent. We haven't had this exact thread in like 2 days....

And maybe we should wait til Gears 2 is out?

SpruceCaboose

Hope you wont lose some sleep over this. My god what was he thinking making another thread........

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]

MGS 4

GeOW has too much textures pop in and not enough enemies on screen for my taste

TPOJ-TPO

I guess we won't be able to tell until GeOW comes out and we personally play it

[QUOTE="TPOJ-TPO"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]

MGS 4

GeOW has too much textures pop in and not enough enemies on screen for my taste

-Mad_Rhetoric-

I guess we won't be able to tell until GeOW comes out and we personally play it

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="TPOJ-TPO"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]

MGS 4

GeOW has too much textures pop in and not enough enemies on screen for my taste

TPOJ-TPO

I guess we won't be able to tell until GeOW comes out and we personally play it

[QUOTE="Rafinator"]I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Kratos-PS3

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Stop acting like Killzone 2 has the greatest graphics ever because it's untrue

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]From what ive seen of GeoW2, it has the edge. MGS4 has great looking character models, but its environments can be questionable at times, and its textures are distractingly bad.TREAL_Since

Yeah. But I honestly can think of a game that looks as amazing as MGS4 with those huge environments. That's what makes it so technically impressive. Some blurry textures yes, but the variety and art make up for it IMO. There are some high-res textures of course in certain areas, but some quality had to be sacrificed for all of the other amazing graphical effects.

And when you say environments can be questionable... Do you mean some texture resolution or the level design?

agreed MGS4 is the detail king :)

[QUOTE="Kratos-PS3"]

[QUOTE="Rafinator"]I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Juggernaut140

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Stop acting like Killzone 2 has the greatest graphics ever because it's untrue

Show me where i said in the above sentence that Killzone 2 has the greatest graphics ever. Please do.

[QUOTE="WhenTheTwoFace"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]People downplay MGS4 graphics a lot. It is the graphics king right now. But Gears 2 will take the crown when it comes outCouth_

"People downplay MGS4 graphics a lot. It is the graphics king right now."

No.

No gamespot said most technically impressive thats not the same as the best looking console game. If that's what they meant they would have said it so........

[QUOTE="Rafinator"]I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Kratos-PS3

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Blurzone 2 looks like garbage sorry.

[QUOTE="Kratos-PS3"]

[QUOTE="Rafinator"]I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Erik_Lensherr

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Blurzone 2 looks like garbage sorry.

Ah, well that settles it then.

:roll:

[QUOTE="Kratos-PS3"]

[QUOTE="Rafinator"]I doubt there will be any game that is on par w/ MGS4 in the graphics department. I don't even think Killzone 2 will look as good as MGS4.Erik_Lensherr

Killzone 2 already looks better than MGS4. Thats how good Killzone 2 looks. Gears of War 2 may look better than MGS4, but Killzone 2 craps on both of them in terms of graphics. And don't even get me started with animation, motion and lighting.

Blurzone 2 looks like garbage sorry.

Do i smell a desperate lemming/troll in denial?