Bioshock 2 DLC already on the disc! Yeah...another one.

So, as it turns out, the Sinclair Solutions DLC for BioShock 2 was already in the disc all along. Now, while that should have been a pleasant surprise, one can't help but wonder why, if it is already included in the disc, you have to pay for it twice. A post at the official 2K forums attempts to explain.

Said the publisher's official statement:

"I noticed there was a bit of confusion about our Sinclair Solutions Tester Pack file size, and I wanted to clear things up for you. The way our engine and game structure works is that people need to have the exact same content for people to play together.

One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends.

I know some of you have strong beliefs about DLC, and I'm not here to sway your opinion or convince you to buy our stuff - if you like what we're offering, I hope you get it and enjoy it. If it's not your speed, enjoy BioShock 2 as we released it.

I want to let you know that DLC is not interfering with our patching capabilities, which are a top priority and are still being actively worked on. We're committed to supporting you and making BioShock 2 the best experience possible.

I hope this clears up a lot of the questions and confusion in this thread!"

And there you have it. Are you sold with their explanation?

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:roll: I can't help but to think that this is a load of crap what with this becoming rather common these days.

I´m only surprised that no hacker found this before.(PC version)

capcom seems to have started a trend that is going to continue to grow. I'll give 2k credit for atleast trying to come up with a reason for it

If people are so willing to buy DLC, why not just save some money by not hosting servers to distribute the DLC and just put it on the disc? That's the way I see it.

Who actually bought this? Can't say I feel sorry for them.

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

that makes me rage..

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

Superbored

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

lawlessx

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

Meh. I will buy anything for BioShock 2.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

capcom seems to have started a trend that is going to continue to grow. I'll give 2k credit for atleast trying to come up with a reason for it

lawlessx

Meh. I will buy anything for BioShock 2.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

BioShockOwnz

:( People who buy the DLC only encourage them to continue charging you for it.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

Superbored

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

Superbored

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] microsoft did what now?lawlessx

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

This is what I argued companies would do back in the day...but I was attacked by an onslaught of fanboys angry that I brought it up. Now, 5-8 years later, here I am reading about this crap.

Where are those DLC is awesome fanboys from those days. Man, I can't believe 2K jumped in on this, but then again, I can. It's the future.

So wait, you can play the maps if you don't buy the pack? What are you paying for, then?Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] microsoft did what now?lawlessx

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

Are you talking about Oblivion?

If so MechAssault's DLC predates Oblivion by about 3 years.

Link.

This is what I argued companies would do back in the day...but I was attacked by an onslaught of fanboys angry that I brought it up. Now, 5-8 years later, here I am reading about this crap.

Where are those DLC is awesome fanboys from those days. Man, I can't believe 2K jumped in on this, but then again, I can. It's the future.

SolidTy

Well I didn't even bother buying the game. The fact that they introduced some tacked on multiplayer turned me off.

That, and the fact Bioshock 2 is also one giant escort mission.

Well I didn't even bother buying the game. The fact that they introduced some tacked on multiplayer turned me off.

That, and the fact Bioshock 2 is also one giant escort mission.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

This is what I argued companies would do back in the day...but I was attacked by an onslaught of fanboys angry that I brought it up. Now, 5-8 years later, here I am reading about this crap.

Where are those DLC is awesome fanboys from those days. Man, I can't believe 2K jumped in on this, but then again, I can. It's the future.

killab2oo5

That was one of the first big instances this generation, for sure.

I didn't realize the Horse Armor was already on the disc, I remember it being way overprices and stupid, but I didn't realize 2K did this on this disc stuff from the get go.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]So wait, you can play the maps if you don't buy the pack? What are you paying for, then?Sully28

"One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends."

I'm talking about this. What does that mean?

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

This is what I argued companies would do back in the day...but I was attacked by an onslaught of fanboys angry that I brought it up. Now, 5-8 years later, here I am reading about this crap.

Where are those DLC is awesome fanboys from those days. Man, I can't believe 2K jumped in on this, but then again, I can. It's the future.

SolidTy

That was one of the first big instances this generation, for sure.

I didn't realize the Horse Armor was already on the disc, I remember it being way overprices and stupid, but I didn't realize 2K did this on this disc stuff from the get go.

jesus christ....after you payed 65 dollars for a game you have to whip out another ten or so for things that are already on the disc but still have to download to play....am i the only one going wtf?:x

[QUOTE="Sully28"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]So wait, you can play the maps if you don't buy the pack? What are you paying for, then?Cherokee_Jack

"One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends."

I'm talking about this. What does that mean?

I think it means they're lying their asses off. They're saying how people who purchase and don't purchase the DLC would have problems playing with each other if they didn't put the content on the disc. If player 1 who purchased the DLC and has abilities that player 2's game doesn't recognize that would be a problem. Too bad it all seems shady to me, especially since they could just patch the game but only unlock the DLC for people who actually pay for it. Thats what I think anyway.

2k... no.. how could you.. oh well, time to boycott their next game, screw these devs! [QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Well I didn't even bother buying the game. The fact that they introduced some tacked on multiplayer turned me off.

That, and the fact Bioshock 2 is also one giant escort mission.

fastr

Bioshock was sole singleplayer experience, drive by its story and narrative. It didn't need multiplayer, yet 2K added it anyway. Those resources could have gone into better improving the campaign.

Dead Space 2 seems to be taking the same unfortunate route.

I have seen lawsuits rise up for the most stupidest and ridiculous reasons. How come a lawsuit hasn't risen up for thisreason?

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"] No its already on the disk, but locked. When you pay for the DLC it just downloads a small file that unlocks the content to play it. So your essentially buying a key to a safe you already own.

Superbored

"One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends."

I'm talking about this. What does that mean?

I think it means they're lying their asses off. They're saying how people who purchase and don't purchase the DLC would have problems playing with each other if they didn't put the content on the disc.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

Superbored

Are you talking about Oblivion?

If so MechAssault's DLC predates Oblivion by about 3 years.

Link.

But if we are talking about content already on disc that you simply have to "unlock", I'm pretty sure that started this gen.

halo 3 had that very same problem. In halo 3 if you didn't have a certain map pack you couldn't play most ranked game modes and you are pretty much forced to buy it if you want to continue playing ranked matches in that mode. You were pretty much cut off from half of what the game has to offer

lawlessx

It was the same for Halo 2 except the maps for it became free after a couple of weeks/months.

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

"One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends."

I'm talking about this. What does that mean?

lawlessx

I think it means they're lying their asses off. They're saying how people who purchase and don't purchase the DLC would have problems playing with each other if they didn't put the content on the disc.

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] microsoft did what now?lawlessx

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

jesus christ....after you payed 65 dollars for a game you have to whip out another ten or so for things that are already on the disc but still have to download to play....am i the only one going wtf?:x

mlbslugger86

I hate this so much

same thing was with Empire:TW. when I buy a game I want to play EVERYTHING thats on the disc because I paid for it. What these guys are doing is charging the full price for something thats not worth it.

I have mixed feelings about this. One buying the game already possesses the DLC but is still forced to pay an unlocking fee for it. That's ****** up although now the update doesn't eat up HDD space.

[QUOTE="fastr"]2k... no.. how could you.. oh well, time to boycott their next game, screw these devs! [QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Well I didn't even bother buying the game. The fact that they introduced some tacked on multiplayer turned me off.

That, and the fact Bioshock 2 is also one giant escort mission.

SpinoRaptor24

Bioshock was sole singleplayer experience, drive by its story and narrative. It didn't need multiplayer, yet 2K added it anyway. Those resources could have gone into better improving the campaign.

Dead Space 2 seems to be taking the same unfortunate route.

The campaign was developed by 2K Marin, 2K Australia and 2k China, with Arkane Studios as level design assistance.

The multiplayer however, was developed by Digital Extremes, so 2K did what they could with the campaign, and I liked it a lot.

I also can't see why is it such a problem to pay 5 dollars for something you like. You people are making it sound like someone is forcing you to buy it. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but I myself will gladly pay 5 dollars to continue supporting the developers.

DLC i like = stuff developed after the games release that, for a reasonable fee, will keep me coming back to the game. Things like map packs, expansions etc.

DLC i don't like = stuff finished in time to ship with the game (thus including anything actually ON THE DISC) but are withheld to scam more money out of us. This should be illegal, and if a console manufacturer banned publishers from doing what BIoshock2 have done, i would actually buy all multiplatforms on that console. There can be no justification for it aside from greed, and, thanks to news of this i suggest anyone who hasn't purchased bioshock 2 already only does so 2nd hand as a petty way of getting back at them.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="fastr"] It wasn't a tacked on MP, they hired a whole team separate from the SP team just to do MP. That shows commitment to quality. Of course.. now they show they're also **** svenus97

Bioshock was sole singleplayer experience, drive by its story and narrative. It didn't need multiplayer, yet 2K added it anyway. Those resources could have gone into better improving the campaign.

Dead Space 2 seems to be taking the same unfortunate route.

The campaign was developed by 2K Marin, 2K Australia and 2k China, with Arkane Studios as level design assistance.

The multiplayer however, was developed by Digital Extremes, so 2K did what they could with the campaign, and I liked it a lot.

I also can't see why is it such a problem to pay 5 dollars for something you like. You people are making it sound like someone is forcing you to buy it. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but I myself will gladly pay 5 dollars to continue supporting the developers.

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] microsoft did what now?lawlessx

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

[QUOTE="svenus97"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Bioshock was sole singleplayer experience, drive by its story and narrative. It didn't need multiplayer, yet 2K added it anyway. Those resources could have gone into better improving the campaign.

Dead Space 2 seems to be taking the same unfortunate route.

KukicAdo

The campaign was developed by 2K Marin, 2K Australia and 2k China, with Arkane Studios as level design assistance.

The multiplayer however, was developed by Digital Extremes, so 2K did what they could with the campaign, and I liked it a lot.

I also can't see why is it such a problem to pay 5 dollars for something you like. You people are making it sound like someone is forcing you to buy it. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but I myself will gladly pay 5 dollars to continue supporting the developers.

A good point, I maybe did buy the data, but I'm still missing one link, and thats the "key" we need to download. So no... I didn't buy it all, and although it may seem unfair for some, then I suggest you don't buy it, if some people hate it that much to boycott the next release here is a simple suggestion do not buy it:)

I am paying those 5 dollars more to support them, then to get the content.

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"][QUOTE="svenus97"]

The campaign was developed by 2K Marin, 2K Australia and 2k China, with Arkane Studios as level design assistance.

The multiplayer however, was developed by Digital Extremes, so 2K did what they could with the campaign, and I liked it a lot.

I also can't see why is it such a problem to pay 5 dollars for something you like. You people are making it sound like someone is forcing you to buy it. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but I myself will gladly pay 5 dollars to continue supporting the developers.

svenus97

A good point, I maybe did buy the data, but I'm still missing one link, and thats the "key" we need to download. So no... I didn't buy it all, and although it may seem unfair for some, then I suggest you don't buy it, if some people hate it that much to boycott the next release here is a simple suggestion do not buy it:)

I am paying those 5 dollars more to support them, then to get the content.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

I blame Microsoft. They started this trend.

Superbored

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

Started the paid DLC for consoles.

imprezawrx500

More on the microsoft first charged for DLC.
This might say Microsoft was the first, but logically its unsound since there were other services that charged for games, and A game is content and therefor is downloadable, even the article it self admits that any content released as downloadable is refered to as DLC.

atari 2600's gameline service which cost money to download games to play (rent in this matter actually)...then you have Sega channel which offered *earthworm jim special edition* which is exactly like DLC but is a stand alone. Then you have the various PC games that used DLC which later would charge for it in the form fo stand alone packs that usually had a more organized part to it or GOTY editions that had it.
Battlezone gold, unreal tournaments...ect

So no Microsoft was not the first to charge for content all ready on the disc, and they certainly weren't the first to charge for downloadable content either, Either online, Or in goty editions or gamepack forms.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] no that would be Bethesda and the horse armor that cost 400 MS points microsoft didn't start charging for DLC;developers of the games did.WilliamRLBaker