Bioshock 2 >>>>>> Bioshock Infinite (spoilers)

I didn't really like Bioshock 2 because I was supposed to be this awesome OP big daddy yet I felt weaker than the ordinary dude from the first game. 

VendettaRed07

But Godfather Part II also needs the original Godfather,

texasgoldrush

The two greatest movies ever made hold zero significance to a great game (BioShock) and a cash-in (BioShock 2).

What made The Godfather Part II so great is that it was two stories at once where both stories where absolutely phenominal - while at the same time showing the old and new of the Corleone story. You have the trials and tribulations of an humble family man grow into the most powerful crime boss in the country because of ordinary circumstances and how him not asking questions and doing what he needs to leads to all of that.
While at the same time showing how his seed (to use an Infinite reference) has carried on his name and is expanding upon it while dealing with his own very different problems - also showing that Michael has to make decisions that his father never had to make.

So the thing that made The Godfather Part II so great is that it didn't need the first to be as amazing as it is - it just included the two stories into one flawless movie.

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

I've not played Bioshock 2 (and likely can't since my Steam version is incompatible with W8) so I'm not the best commenter on that game but I disagree with your assessments on Infinite's weaknesses.  It's the best game I've played since HL2.

And the bar for great DLC is Dark Souls' Artorias of the Abyss.

texasgoldrush

and you can't refute my OP....you don't want an argument. Maybe because what I said in my OP is true.texasgoldrush

What's there to refute? It's your own opinion and taste, if you like Bio2 more then fair play to ya, I have no issue with that. My opinion is different as is usually the case with different people. 

You asked me to say something that was better than Bio2 and I said visuals and you gave me a lame cop out response, so why would anyone debate with you? 

You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.freedomfreak

he can't stand people having a different opinion than his, thats how dumb he is, he still says mass effect 3 ending was the best thing given to humanity even though most people know it is a colossal failure.

PS: infinite is better.

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and you can't refute my OP....you don't want an argument. Maybe because what I said in my OP is true.seanmcloughlin

What's there to refute? It's your own opinion and taste, if you like Bio2 more then fair play to ya, I have no issue with that. My opinion is different as is usually the case with different people. 

You asked me to say something that was better than Bio2 and I said visuals and you gave me a lame cop out response, so why would anyone debate with you? 

thing is this moron always thinks his opinion is the "official" and general opinion.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.Krelian-co

he can't stand people having a different opinion than his, thats how dumb he is, he still says mass effect 3 ending was the best thing given to humanity even though most people know it is a colossal failure.

PS: infinite is better.

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Bioshock 2 was a cash in and a travesty, nothing moretexasgoldrush

Well story wise they're about the same. They both kinda drop after the midway point (although infinite has a way better conclusion I guess).

The gameplay on the other hand is pretty generic in Bioshock Infinite, extremely dumbed down and is hardly a Bioshock game in gameplay sense (which is a water downed System Shock in the first place).  It's pretty disappointing that the main draw of the game is Elizabeth and her tear mechanics, while taking away the already scarce features of the first Bioshock. 

I kinda appreciated the story and characters in Infinite, but it's not why I would want to a play System Shock successor. Bioshock 1, even though shallow in comparison to SS - is nowhere near as bad gameplay wise as Infinite and that makes me sad. Is it really the end of a proper System Shock like game? Was it necessary to sacrifice the gameplay for a story and a compelling character? Why couldn't we have both, like Bioshock 1? 

Anyway I kinda ranted away with this one. But it's just heartbreaking to see a legacy go wasted and turned into a on-rails experience. I just hope they realize that people want more than just a compelling story, but also complex gameplay within... so I guess I'll wait for the sequel and see if my fears come true.
 

Bioshock 2 was good and much better than most people say it was but Infinite is superior to even Bioshock 1.silversix_

You're entitled to your opinion regardless of how horribly wrong it is.

Infinite>minervas den>2>1

I find it glorious how few, if any, people actually agreed with TC... Especially after his drivel of an OP :lol:

:lol: Man, you're pathetic mems_1224

Oh goodness no..

Bioshock>>Infinite>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BS2

To be fair, there are many games better than the original, so I don't think that bodes well for the rest of the series.

Bioshock 2 is the best in the series for so many reasons. It has me dumbfounded, because it seems so obviously better than the other 2, yet is widely disregarded, and considered mediocre.

Personal Choice.

Minerva's Den -----> Bioshock ------> Bioshock 2 ------> Bioshock Infinite 

Reality

Minerva's Den ----> Bioshock 2 ----> Bioshock -----------> Bioshock Infinite.

And...it has begun...the good old "i'm so rad because i hate the newer and coolest game available"...you know something, people love this game, deal with it.

And...it has begun...the good old "i'm so rad because i hate the newer and coolest game available"...you know something, people love this game, deal with it.

madsnakehhh

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

And...it has begun...the good old "i'm so rad because i hate the newer and coolest game available"...you know something, people love this game, deal with it.

dracolich55

Oh so true, didn't remember that one, but you are right, also Biohock 2 was terrible and so inferior to Bioshock 1 but now (and for some) it's the hidden game we never knew how to appreciate it...personally i admit i never played Bioshock 2, but IMO Infinite is superior to the original.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

And...it has begun...the good old "i'm so rad because i hate the newer and coolest game available"...you know something, people love this game, deal with it.

dracolich55

It's the circle that always happens with every franchise

Man....you really can't stand that people like Infinte, can you?

Man....you really can't stand that people like Infinte, can you?

Goyoshi12

I actually liked the combat in 2 more than infinite.

playing as a big daddy was freaking cool. dat drill.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

And...it has begun...the good old "i'm so rad because i hate the newer and coolest game available"...you know something, people love this game, deal with it.

seanmcloughlin

It's the circle that always happens with every franchise

Never thought I'd see the day where I might possibly agree with texasgoldrush (haven't played Infinite yet, so I really can't say).Zeviander

It wasn't as good as Bioshock 1 because the story was inconsistent.  It started off like Bioschock did - a "visualization" of political, moral and economic philosophies.  Bioshock 1 had that same theme throughout the entire game, the big reveal was entirely devoted to the ideas explored during the game.  

The world of columbia and the people in it were ALL representations of ideas that Ken Levine was showing.  The entire POINT of the world was those ideas.  Then all of a sudden about half way through, the writers almost entierly forgot about those ideas and pushed them into the background.  Instead of those ideas being the driving force for the world and story, they ended up becoming secondary in importance to the tears and multiple universe's idea.  

The story by the end of the game had absolutely nothing to do with the world and the story at the beginning of the game.  I don't say its worse than the original bioshock because it is popular or whatever, I say it is worse because the story went from being "really good, better than Bioshock" to "what the heck is this crap story about multiple universes doing in Bioshock?"  I honestly think Ken Levine couldn't think of a way turn the world and ideas he created into a workable story like he did with the Bioshock 1.  I felt like the first made a statement, Infinite just had a generic story without any meaning.  It started off good, but went downhill after the first hour or so.    

Why did Infinite hurt your butt so bad?

the_bi99man

Never thought I'd see the day where I might possibly agree with texasgoldrush (haven't played Infinite yet, so I really can't say).Zeviander

You agree with him yet having not played Infinite? :?

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Never thought I'd see the day where I might possibly agree with texasgoldrush (haven't played Infinite yet, so I really can't say).seanmcloughlin

You agree with him yet having not played Infinite? :?

Key Word: "Possibly"

Its so wierd, I was so against Bioshock2 and had such a negative view of it but it surprised the hell out of me, I liked it just as much as part1 if not more. Something I NEVER thought I would say ever. I just had alot of fun with the campaign on Bioshock2 for some reason.

But Infinite was pretty awesome and I think its the best of the series.

I couldn't bring myself to tolerate the tedious aspects of Bioshock 2, the familiarity, the lack of effort, the still dull as f*ck gameplay, and The Big Sister was like a modern day version of Nemsesis which would be cool if Nemesis himself wasn't a dated as f*ck game design idea.

Infinite I actually enjoyed from beginning to end. Atmosphere was on point, combat made me feel powerful in ways the original 2 games never really did, the plot had some strong points along the way, and the ending was pretty interesting. Some writing misfires sure, but it actually kept me interested. Which is something Bioshock 2 never did as a game or with its plot. As far as pure game aspects go Infinite is superior. Narrative? eh can't judge 2, but I was bored of 2 pretty quickly.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="bowlingotter"]

I just came here to state the obvious - OP is insane.

That is all.

Vaasman

I really think you should just accept it, at this point you're being even more obnoxious than usual.

Nevermind the hype, which Infinite had......and really Bioshock 2 going into release, had negative hype. How is it fair to judge a game truly in these environments.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Then tell me....no one has really told me why Infinite is truly better, in detail.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="bowlingotter"] You're entitled to your own opinion, of course. I just emphatically disagree.bowlingotter

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Because you have no argument, thats what.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]I do, but why would I bother at this point when I've made the argument a thousand times already in other threads? As seanmcloughlin showed in the beginning, it really doesn't matter what anyone says, you'll never admit they're right and you were wrong. You'll just give some vapid rebuttal that ultmately amounts to your opinion

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Why can't they admit that I am right and they are wrong? Because they are scared to...they see I have a legitimate argument making the case that Bioshock 2 may in fact be better in many many areas or that Infinite may have its cracks. And it violates their belief system that Bioshock 2 has to suck. Its ME3 anti-enders all over again....can't see that maybe the ending in fact does work. Bioshock 2 is the same case....it has to suck, it wasn;t made by Levine, it just has to.texasgoldrush