Bioshock 2 >>>>>> Bioshock Infinite (spoilers)

12 pages of texas crying, this has to be a new record for gamespot. Its always funny to see an idiot trying too hard though.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] like you do with Mass Effect 3....hypocrite.texasgoldrush

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

show me where did i say that you can't like mass effect 3 ending? dumb texas is dumb, im saying the general opinion is that it was crap, most peopple didn't like it, i think it is crap, and you again argue that people cannot dislike it because you like it, same story different game, texas being stupid-.

again stop telling what people can or can't like, moron.

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

ITT: texas didn't understand the story, he argues against everyone his idiot pov, and cries no one cares.

Krelian-co

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ITT: texas didn't understand the story, he argues against everyone his idiot pov, and cries no one cares.

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] sorry but I did understand the story...it simply does not work thematically and is left with major plot holes, including the ending being a paradox.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Guess you didn't understand it then.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Or you just ignore the flaws....Infinite is an illusion, th eillusion of depth and relevance, and you fell for the trap.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Yep, you didn't get it.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And you didn't get the more straightforward ending to ME3....much worse than not "getting" Infinites ending.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Look man it's ok we can't all get infinite. If you don't get it you don't get it.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and I get it, which makes infinite's ending a lot worse.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Right, but, you didn't.

Vaasman

Bioshock Infinite is better because

PinkiePirate

Because of a walking lockpick?

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I do understand the story, its just that it simply doesn't work.texasgoldrush

What plotholes? Bulletpoint them please.

 

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] It doesn't work because you dont understand it. Peredith

What plotholes? Bulletpoint them please.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Bioshock Infinite is better because

ReadingRainbow4

Because of a walking lockpick?

Need some money!? here's a health pot, here's some salts.

Yeah she did it far too often. They should of had her have a combat role after the halfway point, I could understand her not wanting to fight in the beginning but she changes alot through the story.

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

lundy86_4

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

Goyoshi12

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

It just turns out to be far more hilarious than TC intended. It really, really is what you said lol.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

 

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Nope I undertsand it...it simply is deeply flawed and inconsistant. Face it, these plot holes are bulletproof. This is what happens when you ambition exceeds your grasp.texasgoldrush

What plotholes? Bulletpoint them please.

Sounds to me like you didn't get it.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

Goyoshi12

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

Vaasman

K.

Didn't get it.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] How about stop putting clearly flawed games on a pedestal. And in fact I like infinite, is simply just not as great as the first two games. Great AAA shooter, mediocre Bioshock game, failure as an artwork that transcends the medium.texasgoldrush

K.

Didn't get it.

I believe you didn't get it that is. I'll be here all day.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

texasgoldrush

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

Touche.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]4. However, if she did the act, she would no longer exist to go back into the past to do the act in the first place...its a paradox.the_bi99man

It's a paradox. Just like there's a paradox in every story ever told that involves time travel. Infinite gives itself an excuse for the inevitable paradox, by hinting at the idea that Elizabeth doesn't just travel through time/dimensions, but that she can alter reality itself, within the dimensions she travels to. If you don't like that, whatever. But that's how it is. And it means that, for the purposes of this story, the way it's told, it's all okay. You may think that's some kind of lame cop-out, but whatever. Opinions are opinions. You seem to be having a harder time understanding that than the ending.

And since it was all a dream...why even get the DLC?

Once again, it lacks the consistancy and the depth that the past two game shown. The themes are less deep, the setting is far less deep, and the characters are FAR less deep. Hell, I don't see Liz that much deeper than Eleanor Lamb, if at all. Comstock....far less deep than Sofia Lamb or even Frank Fontaine. He is evil just 'cause....just 'cause he saw a vision. Its never explored. Fink is far less deep than his Rapture counterparts, such as Gil Alexander or Augustus Sinclair. No depth to him at all, he is just a Fable III Reaver clone. Daisy Fitzroy pisses all the themes much of the themes of the game away with her diabolus ex machina moment. She is a caricature like all the rest. This game simply put does not stand up to its predecessors or Levine's other work. The games direction reeks of smugness and self importance.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

What plotholes? Bulletpoint them please.

Peredith

1. The voxphones for that universe's Booker tell that Elizabeth was moved from Monument Isle to Comstock House, so basically, they ALREADY have Elizabeth. However, not only is songbird still chasing her, the statue is damaged.

2. Zealot of the Lady units fighting for the Vox....this makes absolutely no sense (hell, they are the equivalent of the KKK). It contradicts their order. Slades men also had one that fought like one but the model was not carrying a coffin, the Vox version does. Thats not paying attention to detail.

3. If the Vox were clearly winning in that universe, how can Liz even become prophet in the first place? They have clearly taken and burned the city and are attacking the Hand of the Prophet with a large air navy. Hell, the Comstock House is actually a strong part of the game emotionally, but its also a plot hole.

4. The ending is a paradox...if Booker being drowned causes Elizabeth not to exist, how could this act exist in the first place? If you think hard, it simply does not make sense (unless the cycle repeats itself, then I will give that to you).

1. Elizabeth has the ability to merge universes (shown by the corpses reanimating and going crazy),.. But I agree about the second Elizabeth, I'm not quite sure what happens to her. And Songbirds instincts are to protect Elizabeth, so when it sensed *a* Elizabeth was loose, I guess he chased her.

2. Eh

3. That just means Elizabeth doesn't become Prophet in that universe? That's not really a plothole.

4. Because Elizabeth did exist for the act to happen.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]4. However, if she did the act, she would no longer exist to go back into the past to do the act in the first place...its a paradox.texasgoldrush

It's a paradox. Just like there's a paradox in every story ever told that involves time travel. Infinite gives itself an excuse for the inevitable paradox, by hinting at the idea that Elizabeth doesn't just travel through time/dimensions, but that she can alter reality itself, within the dimensions she travels to. If you don't like that, whatever. But that's how it is. And it means that, for the purposes of this story, the way it's told, it's all okay. You may think that's some kind of lame cop-out, but whatever. Opinions are opinions. You seem to be having a harder time understanding that than the ending.

And since it was all a dream...why even get the DLC?

Once again, it lacks the consistancy and the depth that the past two game shown. The themes are less deep, the setting is far less deep, and the characters are FAR less deep. Hell, I don't see Liz that much deeper than Eleanor Lamb, if at all. Comstock....far less deep than Sofia Lamb or even Frank Fontaine. He is evil just 'cause....just 'cause he saw a vision. Its never explored. Fink is far less deep than his Rapture counterparts, such as Gil Alexander or Augustus Sinclair. No depth to him at all, he is just a Fable III Reaver clone. Daisy Fitzroy pisses all the themes much of the themes of the game away with her diabolus ex machina moment. She is a caricature like all the rest. This game simply put does not stand up to its predecessors or Levine's other work. The games direction reeks of smugness and self importance.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

lol, TC's pretentious tirade continues.

texasgoldrush

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

hgow about you stop telling people what they can or cannot like and how much moron?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

It's a paradox. Just like there's a paradox in every story ever told that involves time travel. Infinite gives itself an excuse for the inevitable paradox, by hinting at the idea that Elizabeth doesn't just travel through time/dimensions, but that she can alter reality itself, within the dimensions she travels to. If you don't like that, whatever. But that's how it is. And it means that, for the purposes of this story, the way it's told, it's all okay. You may think that's some kind of lame cop-out, but whatever. Opinions are opinions. You seem to be having a harder time understanding that than the ending.

the_bi99man

Or... that was how it was intended from the beginning. You don't know. I don't know. Only Ken Levine and, I'm assuming, a handful of other employees at IG know. And if that's the case (which I'm willing to bet it is), then it's not a cop-out. It's just a story. And that's what happens in this story. Like I said, there's never been a time travel story that didn't result in a paradox of some kind. Levine just wrote in an excuse for said paradox, which is better than just having it be there.

Either way, none of this changes the fact that it's a great story, which actually tries (and succeeds) to be unique and interesting, which is more than can be said for 99% of video games. It's storytelling in a whole different league, far beyond the norm of video games. A very short list of games have even approached that level, and Bioshock 1 and 2 are both on that list, as well.

Not only that, Infinite also recycles its predecessor.

And really, the story seemed to be much different from early previews in which the more you use Liz's power, the worse the ending could potentially be. So here lied a gameplay choice.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

This is the worst case of a "Stop liking what I don't like," I have ever seen.

Krelian-co

hgow about you stop telling people what they can or cannot like and how much moron?

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="musalala"]

He is bashing Infinite because its getting way to much attention, particularly for  its narrative and becasue it acheived what mass effect 3 tried to achieve with its ending.The texasgoldrush rule is anything that gets more praise than a Mass effect 3 its overrated.He is a biodrone, so debating with him is pointless...his next move is to claim he is not a bodrone beasue he doesn't like DA:origins and then eventually he will start calling eveyone a moron or imbecle as with every other thread that he posts. Same sh*t differnt day.

texasgoldrush

texas is like the fat kid who stands in the corner and hates the popular or smart kids for getting attention.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] How about stop putting clearly flawed games on a pedestal. And in fact I like infinite, is simply just not as great as the first two games. Great AAA shooter, mediocre Bioshock game, failure as an artwork that transcends the medium.texasgoldrush

hgow about you stop telling people what they can or cannot like and how much moron?

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

hgow about you stop telling people what they can or cannot like and how much moron?

Vaasman

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

texas is like the fat kid who stands in the corner and hates the popular or smart kids for getting attention.

cfstar

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] like you do with Mass Effect 3....hypocrite.texasgoldrush

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

Yes you did.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]This thread is about Bioshock Infinite,

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

Vaasman

Yes you did.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and did I bring up ME3 first in this thread, or was it the morons who attempt to troll me?texasgoldrush

Yes you did.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]This thread is about Bioshock Infinite,

A game you didn't get.

please stop trying to shoehorn in ME3.

Krelian-co

show me where did i say that you can't like mass effect 3 ending? dumb texas is dumb, im saying the general opinion is that it was crap, most peopple didn't like it, i think it is crap, and you again argue that people cannot dislike it because you like it, same story different game, texas being stupid-.

again stop telling what people can or can't like, moron.

I do prefer BioShock 2 over Infinite. nutcrackr

This man knows whats up.

Bioshock 2 was good and much better than most people say it was but Infinite is superior to even Bioshock 1.silversix_

4. However, if she did the act, she would no longer exist to go back into the past to do the act in the first place...its a paradox.texasgoldrush

It's a paradox. Just like there's a paradox in every story ever told that involves time travel. Infinite gives itself an excuse for the inevitable paradox, by hinting at the idea that Elizabeth doesn't just travel through time/dimensions, but that she can alter reality itself, within the dimensions she travels to. If you don't like that, whatever. But that's how it is. And it means that, for the purposes of this story, the way it's told, it's all okay. You may think that's some kind of lame cop-out, but whatever. Opinions are opinions. You seem to be having a harder time understanding that than the ending.

Sounds like you didn't get it

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]4. However, if she did the act, she would no longer exist to go back into the past to do the act in the first place...its a paradox.texasgoldrush

It's a paradox. Just like there's a paradox in every story ever told that involves time travel. Infinite gives itself an excuse for the inevitable paradox, by hinting at the idea that Elizabeth doesn't just travel through time/dimensions, but that she can alter reality itself, within the dimensions she travels to. If you don't like that, whatever. But that's how it is. And it means that, for the purposes of this story, the way it's told, it's all okay. You may think that's some kind of lame cop-out, but whatever. Opinions are opinions. You seem to be having a harder time understanding that than the ending.

Or... that was how it was intended from the beginning. You don't know. I don't know. Only Ken Levine and, I'm assuming, a handful of other employees at IG know. And if that's the case (which I'm willing to bet it is), then it's not a cop-out. It's just a story. And that's what happens in this story. Like I said, there's never been a time travel story that didn't result in a paradox of some kind. Levine just wrote in an excuse for said paradox, which is better than just having it be there.

Either way, none of this changes the fact that it's a great story, which actually tries (and succeeds) to be unique and interesting, which is more than can be said for 99% of video games. It's storytelling in a whole different league, far beyond the norm of video games. A very short list of games have even approached that level, and Bioshock 1 and 2 are both on that list, as well.

4. However, if she did the act, she would no longer exist to go back into the past to do the act in the first place...its a paradox.texasgoldrush

But she did exist before she acted. It's only until she acted she ceased to exist.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and did I bring up ME3 first in this thread, or was it the morons who attempt to troll me?texasgoldrush

show me where did i say that you can't like mass effect 3 ending? dumb texas is dumb, im saying the general opinion is that it was crap, most peopple didn't like it, i think it is crap, and you again argue that people cannot dislike it because you like it, same story different game, texas being stupid-.

again stop telling what people can or can't like, moron.

yeah way more "scientific" the tweet from the PR and comunity manageer from bioware you used as "proof" people "liked" the ending.

anyway you are joke, this thread proves it. oh wait it is unscientific ! xD

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

show me where did i say that you can't like mass effect 3 ending? dumb texas is dumb, im saying the general opinion is that it was crap, most peopple didn't like it, i think it is crap, and you again argue that people cannot dislike it because you like it, same story different game, texas being stupid-.

again stop telling what people can or can't like, moron.

Krelian-co

yeah way more "scientific" the tweet from the PR and comunity manageer from bioware you used as "proof" people "liked" the ending.

anyway you are joke, this thread proves it. oh wait it is unscientific ! xD