Bioshock, 2nd best selling 360 game EVER!!!

at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.legol1

The PC is an open platform, hence why there isn't one corporation dictating the platform, and that's why I love the PC. No strings attached. It's a niche market that is growing, but it's a more involved gaming solution that many of us prefer. That doesn't mean that PC Gamers can't enjoy console gaming, it's just a separate beast.

No one is arguing that the PC version will sell more than 360, at least in the United States, but it will sell close to the same amount when worldwide sales, online sales, and digital distro are counted.

Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. Nugtoka

It runs in Linux with no problem.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.legol1

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

It doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies...console games can be pirated just as well...PC games are just much cheaper in Europe then console games...+the consoles themselves seem to cost several times more.

[QUOTE="Gen007"]man im kinda mad people are arguing over weather it sold more on the pc or 360 does it really matter its a great game for both Ravens1995

i agree lemmings and hermits u guys are stupid

what if you are a hermi-lemming like mahself? :P

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. mismajor99

It runs in Linux with no problem.

Really? and Linux is running direct X?

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. Nugtoka

It runs in Linux with no problem.

Really? and Linux is running direct X?

Linux has no problem emulating DX. Read up on Cedega.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15234

"While the Xbox 360 version is the more popular of the two in the U.S., BioShock on PC nevertheless manages to make a strong overall sales impression that few PC titles manage to achieve. Interestingly, though, the PC port outsells both the regular and limited Xbox 360 editions in Europe, where BioShock's PC version emerges as the week's biggest-selling software title on any platform."

dgsag

Ownage approved certificate of authenticity.

How's that feel, lemmings? :D

What is this a pissing contest? Hey look the PC version sold more OWNED! What a joke.

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.cobrax25

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

Okay, so the PC version of Bioshock outsold the 360 version in Europe. We get it. What you've been doing these past few pages is completely ignoring that the 360 version has outsold the PC version in the US (which is what this thread was based on). Every time someone brings it up, you automatically point to Europe, in an attempt to dodge this.

In the US, the 360 version of Bioshock completely dominated the PC version in sales. This was further proven by the percentages brought up later. Your link says that the PC version of Bioshock outsold both 360 versions, but this could mean indivisually or combined. Unless it actually does mean combined, the 360 version could still have beaten it in total sales, since a attach rate percentage was never mentioned. No one knows just how smal or largethe gap was.

[QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.cobrax25

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

It doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies...console games can be pirated just as well...PC games are just much cheaper in Europe then console games...+the consoles themselves seem to cost several times more.

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. mismajor99

It runs in Linux with no problem.

Really? and Linux is running direct X?

Linux has no problem emulating DX. Read up on Cedega.

Right and Direct X is a Microsoft platform no matter if its emulated or not. I'm looking at this from the view of a developer.

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15234

"While the Xbox 360 version is the more popular of the two in the U.S., BioShock on PC nevertheless manages to make a strong overall sales impression that few PC titles manage to achieve. Interestingly, though, the PC port outsells both the regular and limited Xbox 360 editions in Europe, where BioShock's PC version emerges as the week's biggest-selling software title on any platform."

HolyHandGrenad3

Ownage approved certificate of authenticity.

How's that feel, lemmings? :D

What is this a pissing contest? Hey look the PC version sold more OWNED! What a joke.

You're missing the point. The OP tried to say that the PC is dead, but failed to mention that Bioshock is doing very well in Europe and digital distro like STEAM and D2D. Look no further than the OP's original message if you want to scratch your head.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. Nugtoka

It runs in Linux with no problem.

Really? and Linux is running direct X?

Linux has no problem emulating DX. Read up on Cedega.

Right and Direct X is a Microsoft platform no matter if its emulated or not. I'm looking at this from the view of a developer.

DX is an API, nothing more, it's not a "platform". OpenGL is also an API as well. MS does not own PC Gaming, if that's what you are getting at.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.The_Game21x

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

Okay, so the PC version of Bioshock outsold the 360 version in Europe. We get it. What you've been doing these past few pages is completely ignoring that the 360 version has outsold the PC version in the US (which is what this thread was based on). Every time someone brings it up, you automatically point to Europe, in an attempt to dodge this.

In the US, the 360 version of Bioshock completely dominated the PC version in sales. This was further proven by the percentages brought up later. Your link says that the PC version of Bioshock outsold both 360 versions, but this could mean indivisually or combined. Unless it actually does mean combined, the 360 version could still have beaten it in total sales, since a attach rate percentage was never mentioned. No one knows just how smal or largethe gap was.

that was never the point...read the original TC's post....he said that since the PC version sold so little....the game should be a 360 exclusive....I was meerly showing him its not true.

his original post...also points to only units....it doesnt make much sence to go by this since there are many, many small, $5/$10 PC games being sold (WOW is now $10)

also...the PC Bioshock also comes in 2 versions.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.legol1

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

It doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies...console games can be pirated just as well...PC games are just much cheaper in Europe then console games...+the consoles themselves seem to cost several times more.

you really cant look at it that way...because a. Prices vary in many locations. B. PC's are used for a lot more then gaming....

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Even if it isn't a 360 exclusive its is a Microsoft exclusive. Nugtoka

It runs in Linux with no problem.

Really? and Linux is running direct X?

Linux has no problem emulating DX. Read up on Cedega.

Right and Direct X is a Microsoft platform no matter if its emulated or not. I'm looking at this from the view of a developer.

DirectX is completly free to licesnce....I can go online now and just download the SDK...

MS makes no profit from it.

most people on the pc prob just d/l the game..

its a good game though so irs hardley surprising.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.The_Game21x

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

Okay, so the PC version of Bioshock outsold the 360 version in Europe. We get it. What you've been doing these past few pages is completely ignoring that the 360 version has outsold the PC version in the US (which is what this thread was based on). Every time someone brings it up, you automatically point to Europe, in an attempt to dodge this.

In the US, the 360 version of Bioshock completely dominated the PC version in sales. This was further proven by the percentages brought up later. Your link says that the PC version of Bioshock outsold both 360 versions, but this could mean indivisually or combined. Unless it actually does mean combined, the 360 version could still have beaten it in total sales, since a attach rate percentage was never mentioned. No one knows just how smal or largethe gap was.

Another poster than fails to read the original post. The reason why many of us have pointed out Europe's sales was due to the fact that the OP is completely off his rocker making statements that the PC platform is dead. If it was dead or dying, as so many of you misinformed people seem to think, than it wouldn't have sold well anywhere, which just isn't the case. The PC version doesn't have to sell as many in the US compared to the 360 in order to be successful. Not to mention, Steam is rocking as well as D2D which are completely ignored worldwide.

On top of all of this, the PC version is plagued with Securom which is Definitely preventing many copies of Bioshock being sold, as many people just refuse to support these so called "anti-piracy" techniques.

[QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.cobrax25

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

It doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies...console games can be pirated just as well...PC games are just much cheaper in Europe then console games...+the consoles themselves seem to cost several times more.

you really cant look at it that way...because a. Prices vary in many locations. B. PC's are used for a lot more then gaming....

Wow first time i've seen hermits damage control...

oh and stop with the long quote chains...

Wow first time i've seen hermits damage control...

oh and stop with the long quote chains...

butteater86

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/column_index.php?story=8735

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.legol1

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

It doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies...console games can be pirated just as well...PC games are just much cheaper in Europe then console games...+the consoles themselves seem to cost several times more.

you really cant look at it that way...because a. Prices vary in many locations. B. PC's are used for a lot more then gaming....

Im trying to explain to you...that the prices are not the same there as they are here....if you think $60 per game is a lot....its not compared to what they pay in many other countries....where $100 per console game seems to be very common.

remember that whole article about how the PS3 cost like $1200 in Mexico? well you would be naive to think its oly there that that occurs in.

it works the other way around too...why do you think console gaming is so popular in japan? because PC parts are very overpriced there, while consoles are cheaper.

360 is becoming the new home for making money for 3rd party publishers. 360 saving true gaming for true gamers worldwide. Without it gaming would be very bleak at the moment.NickyJoe_

that was never the point...read the original TC's post....he said that since the PC version sold so little....the game should be a 360 exclusive....I was meerly showing him its not true.

his original post...also points to only units....it doesnt make much sence to go by this since there are many, many small, $5/$10 PC games being sold (WOW is now $10)

also...the PC Bioshock also comes in 2 versions.

cobrax25

Another poster than fails to read the original post. The reason why many of us have pointed out Europe's sales was due to the fact that the OP is completely off his rocker making statements that the PC platform is dead. If it was dead or dying, as so many of you misinformed people seem to think, than it wouldn't have sold well anywhere, which just isn't the case. The PC version doesn't have to sell as many in the US compared to the 360 in order to be successful. Not to mention, Steam is rocking as well as D2D which are completely ignored worldwide.

On top of all of this, the PC version is plagued with Securom which is Definitely preventing many copies of Bioshock being sold, as many people just refuse to support these so called "anti-piracy" techniques.

mismajor99

I guess I can answer both of these posts at once.

Now cobra,bringing it up once, that was perfectly fine, because it destroyed the thread creator's claims that PC gaming is dying, dead, etc. The second time, okay, maybe he and some other folks didn't get it the first time but what I've noticed throughout the course of this thread is you bringing it up every time someone brings up the USsales. That's my problem.

In response to the claims of PC games being sold in $5 or $10 increments, I don't really see what that has to do with Bioshock sales.

Yes, the PC version of Bioshock also comes in two versions, but this still doesn't tell me that the PC version is outselling both 360 versions combined. Also, like I mentioned, there's no solid attach rate percentage (such as the 88% versus 12% for the 360 and PC versions respectively) so there's no way of knowing how small the gap is between them like there is here.

Also, mismajor, I don't know where yousaw me say the PC market is dead or dying anywhere in my post because I didn't, so you can stop lumping me in with those "misinformed people" you speak of. :|

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="legol1"]at walmart its the same thing they hide pc game and they show console game pc gaming need some competence to work properly its niche not a lot of genre rts shooter world of warcraft and its for ultra hardcore gamer not the bigger market here and im prety sure its the same thing in europe.legol1

apparently not if the PC version outsells the 360 version....

and honestly...you have no idea what you are talking...console gaming doesnt even exist in Germany, Central, and Eastern Europe because its so much more expensive there.

there is a huge eastern european publishers that publishes dozens of games per year....none of which are console games.

thats not the way it works in Europe...from what numerous people have told me....not only are the physical consoles cost a lot more there....but games themselves can cost nearly twice as much....

and stop making stuff up....the game can be maxed with a 8600GT....a $150 card.

it doesnt have anything to do with pirated copies....they sell pirated console games all over the place too.

yay for blue dragon

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

that was never the point...read the original TC's post....he said that since the PC version sold so little....the game should be a 360 exclusive....I was meerly showing him its not true.

his original post...also points to only units....it doesnt make much sence to go by this since there are many, many small, $5/$10 PC games being sold (WOW is now $10)

also...the PC Bioshock also comes in 2 versions.

The_Game21x

Another poster than fails to read the original post. The reason why many of us have pointed out Europe's sales was due to the fact that the OP is completely off his rocker making statements that the PC platform is dead. If it was dead or dying, as so many of you misinformed people seem to think, than it wouldn't have sold well anywhere, which just isn't the case. The PC version doesn't have to sell as many in the US compared to the 360 in order to be successful. Not to mention, Steam is rocking as well as D2D which are completely ignored worldwide.

On top of all of this, the PC version is plagued with Securom which is Definitely preventing many copies of Bioshock being sold, as many people just refuse to support these so called "anti-piracy" techniques.

mismajor99

I guess I can answer both of these posts at once.

Now cobra,bringing it up once, that was perfectly fine, because it destroyed the thread creator's claims that PC gaming is dying, dead, etc. The second time, okay, maybe he and some other folks didn't get it the first time but what I've noticed throughout the course of this thread is you bringing it up every time someone brings up the USsales. That's my problem.

In response to the claims of PC games being sold in $5 or $10 increments, I don't really see what that has to do with Bioshock sales.

Yes, the PC version of Bioshock also comes in two versions, but this still doesn't tell me that the PC version is outselling both 360 versions combined. Also, like I mentioned, there's no solid attach rate percentage (such as the 88% versus 12% for the 360 and PC versions respectively) so there's no way of knowing how small the gap is between them like there is here.

thats not why I keep mentioning it.....

I mention it in respons to all the people that here on this thread are consistantl saying that PC gaming is dying...they bring up US sales because they think it applies to the whole world....when clearly, it doesnt, and thats what I am trying to show them.

as for the 2 versions thing....one can resoably assume that the are being sold in similar proportions of both consoles.

Where's the 88% coming from? I just see it mentioned in the NeoGAF forums and I'm not about to put my faith in anything someone writes in a forum.

why u think ms made the 360.because there isnt as many pirates downloading free games on the 360 as the pcmunsoned

that makes no sence at all...MS doesnt profit off PC games anyway....

[QUOTE="munsoned"]why u think ms made the 360.because there isnt as many pirates downloading free games on the 360 as the pccobrax25

that makes no sence at all...MS doesnt profit off PC games anyway....

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="munsoned"]why u think ms made the 360.because there isnt as many pirates downloading free games on the 360 as the pcmunsoned

that makes no sence at all...MS doesnt profit off PC games anyway....

they dont.....I can download the DirectX software...make my own game and not pay MS anything....I cant do this on a conslole.

[QUOTE="munsoned"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="munsoned"]why u think ms made the 360.because there isnt as many pirates downloading free games on the 360 as the pccobrax25

that makes no sence at all...MS doesnt profit off PC games anyway....

they dont.....I can download the DirectX software...make my own game and not pay MS anything....I cant do this on a conslole.

WTF, we both get this great game and we are agruing over which sold more?-Sora

Of course not. Obviously X360 version sold more, no arguments

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="munsoned"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="munsoned"]why u think ms made the 360.because there isnt as many pirates downloading free games on the 360 as the pclegol1

that makes no sence at all...MS doesnt profit off PC games anyway....

they dont.....I can download the DirectX software...make my own game and not pay MS anything....I cant do this on a conslole.

yes you can....why do you think apple puts Itunes on Windows......because they can...MS has no right to control what software goes on windows....its been that way ever since that big lawsuit.

hermits in damage control, let it sink in boys...plat1num913

how....the TC's "statistics" were pulled out of thin air...and false anyway.

[QUOTE="plat1num913"]hermits in damage control, let it sink in boys...cobrax25

how....the TC's "statistics" were pulled out of thin air...and false anyway.

they werent wrong

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/column_index.php?story=8735

give ps3 a year and youll be up against resistance 2, MGS4, and littlebigplanet. and many many moreClaw17k

gears of war 2

banjo kazooie 3

fable 2 or halo wars take your pick.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="plat1num913"]hermits in damage control, let it sink in boys...benjaminbuckner

how....the TC's "statistics" were pulled out of thin air...and false anyway.

they werent wrong

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/column_index.php?story=8735

? that link you gave just proves my point.

[QUOTE="Claw17k"]give ps3 a year and youll be up against resistance 2, MGS4, and littlebigplanet. and many many morebenjaminbuckner

gears of war 2

banjo kazooie 3

fable 2 or halo wars take your pick.

im posting a list so stay on and prepare to get pwned

Cmon guys its microsoft vs sony not Pc vs 360

nightshade51

system wars...not company wars