Bioware fans claim that developer broke the law

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11081574/1

There's even a guy on page 2 who reckons that he has spoken to a lawyer:lol:

Thoughts?!

Apparently they said there was going to be 16 different endings but do people always take developers pre-release word as Gospel?!

lol.

So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.

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So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.

Eponique

So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.

Eponique

So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.

Eponique

I believe they are very minor in terms of differences from one another (i.e. what you choose to do with the reapers at the end, your military readiness level etc). 16, but very similar.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.

lundy86_4

I believe they are very minor in terms of differences from one another (i.e. what you choose to do with the reapers at the end, your military readiness level etc). 16, but very similar.

Oh okay that's fine. I heard it was something stupid though like different coloured lasers for different ending? Oh well. If it's 16 different endings then it is 16 different endings. If there were only like 2, then I don't see anything wrong with complaining about that.Eponique

Yep, different colours :P It's all-in-all pretty lame.

Clearly they were just using the "16 endings makes it MOAR fantastic!" marketing.

Technically there is 16 endings.

http://gametipcenter.com/mass-effect-3-cheats-unlocks-unlockables-endings-guides-more

I would copy them here, but Gamespot's superb HTML doesn't let me do spoiler tags.

Incredibly minor differences, and I'm sure the guy knew that when he spouted that crap, but 16 notheless.

So they said there would be 16 endings but there aren't? I don't see anything wrong with suing for that. Don't blatantly lie about your products, simple.Eponique

While the developer blatantly lied about the number of endings, I don't think that constitutes false advertising. I mean it's not like it's called "Mass Effect: The Game of 16 Endings."

You dumb nerds let developers believe they were "artists" who had to explore their "creativity" to make their "vision" come alive in the form of video games. All of this because you were in denial and refused to accept the fact that your main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. You reap what you sow and now you moan on the Internet because the obvious outcome of your own stupidity finally came to happen.

Get used to this. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, until you send a clear message to all those developers and let them know that they are making GAMES, not ART, and, therefore, they are not artists. The first step is accepting that you enjoy playing with electronic toys and understanding that there's nothing wrong with that. That's the hard part and it may take several years, if it does happen, of course. Chances are it won't.

I remember when they describe planets in mass effect being filled with detailed land that players will want to discover..and that their would be "hundreds and hundreds of worlds to explore"lawlessx

But hey I'd still take that a million times before I took ME3's boring to non-existant planet exploration.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]I remember when they describe planets in mass effect being filled with detailed land that players will want to discover..and that their would be "hundreds and hundreds of worlds to explore"Vaasman

But hey I'd still take that a million times before I took ME3's boring to non-existant planet exploration.

You dumb nerds let developers believe they were "artists" who had to explore their "creativity" to make their "vision" come alive in the form of video games. All of this because you were in denial and refused to accept the fact that your main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. You reap what you sow and now you moan on the Internet because the obvious outcome of your own stupidity finally came to happen.

Get used to this. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, until you send a clear message to all those developers and let them know that they are making GAMES, not ART, and, therefore, they are not artists. The first step is accepting that you enjoy playing with electronic toys and understanding that there's nothing wrong with that. That's the hard part and it may take several years, if it does happen, of course. Chances are it won't.

LordQuorthon

Or games are art and they're just bad artists. Doesn't mean they should be held liable for people being unhappy with what they produce, regardless.

Bioware forums seem like a lot fun. meetroid8

Mass Effect fans need to get their heads out of their asses.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11081574/1

There's even a guy on page 2 who reckons that he has spoken to a lawyer:lol:

Thoughts?!

Apparently they said there was going to be 16 different endings but do people always take developers pre-release word as Gospel?!

biggest_loser

Where were all these people when Fable came out!?

You dumb nerds let developers believe they were "artists" who had to explore their "creativity" to make their "vision" come alive in the form of video games. All of this because you were in denial and refused to accept the fact that your main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. You reap what you sow and now you moan on the Internet because the obvious outcome of your own stupidity finally came to happen.

Get used to this. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, until you send a clear message to all those developers and let them know that they are making GAMES, not ART, and, therefore, they are not artists. The first step is accepting that you enjoy playing with electronic toys and understanding that there's nothing wrong with that. That's the hard part and it may take several years, if it does happen, of course. Chances are it won't.

LordQuorthon

The idea that games aren't 'art' or have artist merit is well beyond this, gamesare; they're a form of expression with artistic merit, nothing is going to change that.

It's amusing that straws are still being grasped in response to it, and even better when someone decides to call people nerds via agaming forum post.

And guess what there's good art and bad art, and Bioware fans keep pushing Mass Effect into a region that it isn't; something other than pulp-fantasy-science fiction action.

Oh, I'm a nerd. I even play D&D. What I am not is a dumb nerd in denial.

You are playing with an electronic TOY. That's your may hobby. Accept it, so you can still be a nerd, but at least not be a dumb nerd in denial.

Oh, I'm a nerd. I even play D&D. What I am not is a dumb nerd in denial.

You are playing with an electronic TOY. That's your may hobby. Accept it, so you can still be a nerd, but at least not be a dumb nerd in denial.

LordQuorthon

Oh, I'm a nerd. I even play D&D. What I am not is a dumb nerd in denial.

You are playing with an electronic TOY. That's your may hobby. Accept it, so you can still be a nerd, but at least not be a dumb nerd in denial.

LordQuorthon

So you still don't think that games can be used to tell art like stories similar to books, movies, etc.? And that if someone had a clear vision for it that they shouldn't follow it? Think about it, your argument is saying that there's no such thing as art. A painting? All it is is a bunch of colors mixed together to form an image. How is that art?

Eh? Games stopped being toys during technological and theoretical leaps well over two decades ago, even the strictest ludologists aren't going to make stupid proclamations that 'games are only toys hurr durr', just the same as narratologists proclaiming games are a 'high art in narrative fiction'. You are a dumb nerd if you base your reasoning and understanding in dumb simple logic, and then proceed to proclaim you know best. Stupid statements deliver delicious irony. skrat_01

You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. If you were a comic book fan, you would call them "Graphic novels." That's the difference between nerds and idiotic nerds: The latter ones are too stubborn and stupid to accept very simple and obvious truths.

It's a toy. It's your main hobby. It's not a big deal for those of us who have enough common sense and self-esteem to deal with it. You just can't accept it because you are a pretentions dumbass with self-esteem issues.

You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. If you were a comic book fan, you would call them "Graphic novels." That's the difference between nerds and idiotic nerds: The latter ones are too stubborn and stupid to accept very simple and obvious truths.

It's a toy. It's your main hobby. It's not a big deal for those of us who have enough common sense and self-esteem to deal with it. For you, If you can't accept it, you are a pretentions dumbass with self-esteem issues.

LordQuorthon

You're quite a Nihilist.

You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. If you were a comic book fan, you would call them "Graphic novels." That's the difference between nerds and idiotic nerds: The latter ones are too stubborn and stupid to accept very simple and obvious truths.

It's a toy. It's your main hobby. It's not a big deal for those of us who have enough common sense and self-esteem to deal with it. For you, If you can't accept it, you are a pretentions dumbass with self-esteem issues.

LordQuorthon

No, that's you acting like an idiot, hypocritical and pretty much along their own idealised lines of angsty 'dumb nerd', who's post reeks a scream for self validation.

The truth is games are complex and interdisciplinary things, and that stupid generalisations only indicate the stupid people, who don't contribute anything in terms of constructive critism.

You can call people names and stamp your feet as much as you want like a frustrated juvenile, but you're doing a terrible job at even making a case against the crushingly obvious.

You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. If you were a comic book fan, you would call them "Graphic novels." That's the difference between nerds and idiotic nerds: The latter ones are too stubborn and stupid to accept very simple and obvious truths.

It's a toy. It's your main hobby. It's not a big deal for those of us who have enough common sense and self-esteem to deal with it. You just can't accept it because you are a pretentions dumbass with self-esteem issues.

LordQuorthon

Definition of "toy": "An object providing amusement."

Definition of "object": "A material thing that can be seen and touched."

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Video games are digital; they have no literal presence in the material world.

Therefore, it's impossible to call them a "toy," as their state of being differs from objects.

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Now, if you're trying to use "toy" in the negative sense, viz. "An object intended for use by children," you are also mistaken, as some video games are considered a work of literature, and others are considered a work of art.

Calling video games "toys" is like calling books "toys."

You're quite a Nihilist.

turtlethetaffer

I value things the way they have to be valued. A game is a game and that's the end of it. Chess may be one of the coolest inventions ever, but it's still a game, and people who insist on saying it's something else are pretentious dumbasses.

What really holds dumb pretentious nerds down is that they are incapable of embracing the fact that they just happen to be into a certain form of ENTERTAINMENT (comic books, video games, tabletop RPGs, science fiction shows/movies/books). I can see that some of that stuff is really neat and fun and I myself can get lost on a long D&D adventure, dream about it and spend days thinking about what's going to happen the next time I play, but I'm not dumb or pretentious enough to believe that me and my D&D buddies are creating some elevated form of non-written literature. I'd have to be a semi-illiterate imbecile to actually believe that.

A video game developer has to make games. Games are something you buy so you can play them with your electronic toy. Developers who understand this, like Sid Meier, create amazing video games. Developers who buy all the "U GUISE ARE ARTISTS WE ADMIRE U CUZ U R CREATING ELEVATED FORM OF ART THAT MAKES OUR PEE PEES TINGLE!!!!" end up pulling a Mass Effect 3.

This is a simple fact, but some dumb and pretentious nerds insist on learning it the hard way. So be it, then. Keep wasting your money and keep worshiping developers. I guess this industry can take it... For a few more years.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

You're quite a Nihilist.

LordQuorthon

I value things the way they have to be valued. A game is a game and that's the end of it. Chess may be one of the coolest inventions ever, but it's still a game, and people who insist on saying it's something else are pretentious dumbasses.

What really holds dumb pretentious nerds down is that they are incapable of embracing the fact that they just happen to be into a certain form of ENTERTAINMENT (comic books, video games, tabletop RPGs, science fiction shows/movies/books). I can see that some of that stuff is really neat and fun and I myself can get lost on a long D&D adventure, dream about it and spend days thinking about what's going to happen the next time I play, but I'm not dumb or pretentious enough to believe that me and my D&D buddies are creating some elevated form of non-written literature. I'd have to be a semi-illiterate imbecile to actually believe that.

A video game developer has to make games. Games are something you buy so you can play them with your electronic toy. Developers who understand this, like Sid Meier, create amazing video games. Developers who buy all the "U GUISE ARE ARTISTS WE ADMIRE U CUZ U R CREATING ELEVATED FORM OF ART THAT MAKES OUR PEE PEES TINGLE!!!!" end up pulling a Mass Effect 3.

This is a simple fact, but some dumb and pretentious nerds insist on learning it the hard way. So be it, then. Keep wasting your money and keep worshiping developers. I guess this industry can take it... For a few more years.

Unlike tabletop games, pen-and-paper games, card games, dice games, etc., some video games combine different aspects of art (literature, drawing, painting, music, photography, sculpture, etc.), into one cohesive product.

Some video games are more akin to theater or movies than literal games.

Therefore, we should look at them with more artistic scrutiny.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] Eh? Games stopped being toys during technological and theoretical leaps well over two decades ago, even the strictest ludologists aren't going to make stupid proclamations that 'games are only toys hurr durr', just the same as narratologists proclaiming games are a 'high art in narrative fiction'. You are a dumb nerd if you base your reasoning and understanding in dumb simple logic, and then proceed to proclaim you know best. Stupid statements deliver delicious irony. LordQuorthon

You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. If you were a comic book fan, you would call them "Graphic novels." That's the difference between nerds and idiotic nerds: The latter ones are too stubborn and stupid to accept very simple and obvious truths.

It's a toy. It's your main hobby. It's not a big deal for those of us who have enough common sense and self-esteem to deal with it. You just can't accept it because you are a pretentions dumbass with self-esteem issues.

Again, keep doing that. Give developers more reasons to throw garbage at you. It's not my problem.

You dumb nerds let developers believe they were "artists" who had to explore their "creativity" to make their "vision" come alive in the form of video games. All of this because you were in denial and refused to accept the fact that your main hobby is playing with an electronic toy. You reap what you sow and now you moan on the Internet because the obvious outcome of your own stupidity finally came to happen.

Get used to this. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, until you send a clear message to all those developers and let them know that they are making GAMES, not ART, and, therefore, they are not artists. The first step is accepting that you enjoy playing with electronic toys and understanding that there's nothing wrong with that. That's the hard part and it may take several years, if it does happen, of course. Chances are it won't.

LordQuorthon

We still don't have that dance studio in WoW...

Time to visit a lawyer.

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]You are a dumb nerd in denial who refuses to accept the fact that his main hobby is playing with an electronic toy.turtlethetaffer

Even though Bioware screwed the ending up, I don't think it is breaking the law.

As for the GAMEZ AREN'T ART argument, I honestly don't get why people say "THEY GET PAID THEREFOR NOT ART." Some of the greatest pieces of art in history were commissions made by a patron (prime example being The Creation of Adam by Michelangelo), not to mention most films nowadays aren't like On The Waterfront or Citizen Kane but corporate cash-ins yet they're still art.

As if Bioware fans couldn't possibly overreact anymore than they already have...

I value things the way they have to be valued. A game is a game and that's the end of it. Chess may be one of the coolest inventions ever, but it's still a game, and people who insist on saying it's something else are pretentious dumbasses.

What really holds dumb pretentious nerds down is that they are incapable of embracing the fact that they just happen to be into a certain form of ENTERTAINMENT (comic books, video games, tabletop RPGs, science fiction shows/movies/books). I can see that some of that stuff is really neat and fun and I myself can get lost on a long D&D adventure, dream about it and spend days thinking about what's going to happen the next time I play, but I'm not dumb or pretentious enough to believe that me and my D&D buddies are creating some elevated form of non-written literature. I'd have to be a semi-illiterate imbecile to actually believe that.

A video game developer has to make games. Games are something you buy so you can play them with your electronic toy. Developers who understand this, like Sid Meier, create amazing video games. Developers who buy all the "U GUISE ARE ARTISTS WE ADMIRE U CUZ U R CREATING ELEVATED FORM OF ART THAT MAKES OUR PEE PEES TINGLE!!!!" end up pulling a Mass Effect 3.

This is a simple fact, but some dumb and pretentious nerds insist on learning it the hard way. So be it, then. Keep wasting your money and keep worshiping developers. I guess this industry can take it... For a few more years.

LordQuorthon

It's not my problem.

LordQuorthon

And I thought cod fans were bad....Chrome-