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#1 CaseyWegner
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...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype.

once again, how can you be so sure?

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...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype?

once again, how can you be so sure?

CaseyWegner

I'm not sure, all I know is I'm really looking forward to this game.  The ideas behind the game sound awesome and it looks like it's turning out well, how could I not hype it a little?

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#3 lawlessx
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oh no...i saw this coming
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Scores aside, I've never been dissapointed in a Bioware game. So I'm not hyping AAA/GOTY as much as I am just excited for its release.
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#5 reyad-u
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we cant be sure. but in SW everyone just make up random rubbish are say it as fact. if its a mass effect threat its GOTY if its a spore thread its GOTY if its crysis thread its GOTY etc. you get my drift.
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...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype.

once again, how can you be so sure?

CaseyWegner
most of the people excited for the game are huge fans of bioware's games and are very interested to see how mass effect turns out,but it is kind of annoying to see people say "its bioware..it will get an AAA"
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#7 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype.

once again, how can you be so sure?

lawlessx

most of the people excited for the game are huge fans of bioware's games and are very interested to see how mass effect turns out,but it is kind of annoying to see people say "its bioware..it will get an AAA"

yep. there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking forward to a game but hyping it through the roof is just silly.

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I think the people who actually believe a game is predestined to do anything are few and far between. Most realise that it isn't a certainty but make educated guesses based apon what they know about the title, its developers and previous games.


Hyping a game is akin to believing a football team will win a match.
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#9 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype.

once again, how can you be so sure?

CaseyWegner

most of the people excited for the game are huge fans of bioware's games and are very interested to see how mass effect turns out,but it is kind of annoying to see people say "its bioware..it will get an AAA"

yep. there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking forward to a game but hyping it through the roof is just silly.

well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink:
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When does Mass Effect come out?
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I'm saying it'll be solid AA , at least here. Other sites will most likely give it AAA, but GS's reviewers sem reluctent to give Bioware much recognition for some reason.
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#12 CaseyWegner
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well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: lawlessx

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

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#13 The_Game21x
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I don't hype games. I may get excited a few weeks before a game I'm really looking forward to comes out, but I remember to keep my hype in check. Although I don't think I've ever hyped a game through the roof (before I learned to keep my hype in check) and was disappointed, I still remember that there's the slight possibility for that game to fall short of reaching my lofty expectations. To counter that, I set the bar pretty low from the outset, so unless the game totally misses the mark, I'm not going to be disappointed.

Unless a game is a guaranteed AAA (which, after the Resistance and Zelda incedents, doesn't exist anymore) you'll never see me hype a game that high.

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#14 lawlessx
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I'm saying it'll be solid AA , at least here. Other sites will most likely give it AAA, but GS's reviewers sem reluctent to give Bioware much recognition for some reason.ithilgore2006
kotor did pretty good in the reviews..
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#15 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"] well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: CaseyWegner

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

ouch..such a low blow.
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...how can you gaurantee that mass effect will be high AAA/goty? bioware has never won a goty award. bioware's games have never scored higher than 9.2. bioware's last game scored an 8.4

think of all the other games that have been hyped to score as well but have turned out not meeting they hype.

once again, how can you be so sure?

CaseyWegner
Yes I realize BioWare's games haven't won GOTY here. And I realize this goes against my nature to do the "but teh GS". . .However KOTOR won almost 50 GOTY awards and over 120 RPG of the year awards. What you're statement is saying is like, "Because Zelda:TP scored AA, why should we hype the new Zelda AAA." The same could be said for MGS4, "MGS3 scored AA. Why is MGS4 being hyped AAA?" You see. Every console has a game like that. However. I can't say definitively that Mass Effect will score AAA and win GOTY. We've already learned that anything is possible at GS. Personally, I think Mass Effect will score AAA. As far as GOTY goes, who knows. But I just feel as though this game is the next evolution in the KOTOR style of RPG. That it's taking KOTOR to the max. . . Hence the reason I'm hyped for the game. Those people saying "ME, GOTY locked." look just as stupid to me as the people that say "MGS4 GOTY locked." or "GOW2 GOTY locked."
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"] well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: CaseyWegner

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

Most of thier best games vame out for the PC, the PC has higher standards so lower scores. So if Bioware are saying that this is their best game yet then it will get a higher score on consoles will it not? Thats if we go by what Bioware are saying.
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They are good and Jade Empire was poor, but Mass Effect will be better.
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#19 The_Game21x
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They are good and Jade Empire was poor, but Mass Effect will be better.Riviera_Phantom

Jade Empire was awesome. I think GS underrated the hell out of that game.

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#20 reyad-u
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: gingerdivid

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

Most of thier best games vame out for the PC, the PC has higher standards so lower scores. So if Bioware are saying that this is their best game yetthen it will get a higher score on consoles will it not? Thats if we go by what Bioware are saying.

doesnt everyone.

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Yes I realize BioWare's games haven't won GOTY here. And I realize this goes against my nature to do the "but teh GS". . .However KOTOR won almost 50 GOTY awards and over 120 RPG of the year awards. What you're statement is saying is like, "Because Zelda:TP scored AA, why should we hype the new Zelda AAA." mythrol

that's exactly what i'm saying, actually. gamespot is unpredictable.

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They are good and Jade Empire was poor, but Mass Effect will be better.Riviera_Phantom

how do you know?

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#23 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: gingerdivid

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

Most of thier best games vame out for the PC, the PC has higher standards so lower scores. So if Bioware are saying that this is their best game yet then it will get a higher score on consoles will it not? Thats if we go by what Bioware are saying.

no wai! a company is promoting their product? :o

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#24 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]They are good and Jade Empire was poor, but Mass Effect will be better.CaseyWegner

how do you know?

maybe he pefers mass effect's gameplay over jade empires...so he knows he will enjoy it more.
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#25 gingerdivid
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[QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] well just what kind of hype would you expect? its a bioware game after all :wink: CaseyWegner

hype that matches their track record, maybe. :wink:

Most of thier best games vame out for the PC, the PC has higher standards so lower scores. So if Bioware are saying that this is their best game yet then it will get a higher score on consoles will it not? Thats if we go by what Bioware are saying.

no wai! a company is promoting their product? :o

Im just trying to say that it will most likely get a higher score if it is a typical boiware game as its on a console, not a PC platform.
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#26 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Riviera_Phantom"]They are good and Jade Empire was poor, but Mass Effect will be better.lawlessx

how do you know?

maybe he pefers mass effect's gameplay over jade empires...so he knows he will enjoy it more.

his personal enjoyment =/= gamespot's review.

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[QUOTE="mythrol"] Yes I realize BioWare's games haven't won GOTY here. And I realize this goes against my nature to do the "but teh GS". . .However KOTOR won almost 50 GOTY awards and over 120 RPG of the year awards. What you're statement is saying is like, "Because Zelda:TP scored AA, why should we hype the new Zelda AAA." CaseyWegner

that's exactly what i'm saying, actually. gamespot is unpredictable.

I agree gamespot is unpredictable. But in the same vein, we could just as easily say, "GS is unpredictable. Maybe ME will score AAAA." It could fall either way. However for the quality of the title, the Developers past games, and even the amount of work going into the title. . .I think it's fair to say that this game has at least a solid Shot at being AAA.
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#28 Private_Vegas
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I never hype, I just ramble on about how awesome I think a game is and how much I love it. You can throw all the alphabet and awards(or lack there-of) you want at a game. if I like it, it's AAA/ GotY in by books forever. Like with Chromehounds. I love how you can find new funky ways to mounts weapon and conceal the cockpit. And you can get lemon scented air fresheners to hang from your hounds rear view mirror, and- *Two men in white suits come and put a straight jacket on me and slowly drag me away. My rambling fades into the distance.*
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#29 youarecry
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jade empire recieved a 9.9 on ign
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#30 reyad-u
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jade empire recieved a 9.9 on ignyouarecry
i thought it didnt matter what other sites gave it, its only tthis site that counts.
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jade empire recieved a 9.9 on ignyouarecry

baseball is not played by the rules of football. gs system wars is not played using ign.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Yes I realize BioWare's games haven't won GOTY here. And I realize this goes against my nature to do the "but teh GS". . .However KOTOR won almost 50 GOTY awards and over 120 RPG of the year awards. What you're statement is saying is like, "Because Zelda:TP scored AA, why should we hype the new Zelda AAA." mythrol

that's exactly what i'm saying, actually. gamespot is unpredictable.

I agree gamespot is unpredictable. But in the same vein, we could just as easily say, "GS is unpredictable. Maybe ME will score AAAA." It could fall either way. However for the quality of the title, the Developers past games, and even the amount of work going into the title. . .I think it's fair to say that this game has at least a solid Shot at being AAA.

again...jade empire.

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#33 youarecry
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and bioware says this is the best game that they ever made, but the thing is they have never said that before. The didnt say that when nn launched or when kotor or jade empire launched, but they did say that for Mass Effect which is a powerful statement.

And seriously i just cant see this game not getting atleast low AAA

  • graphics are amazing
  • the scale of the game is epic
  • atleast 70hours worth of gameplay
  • gameplay itself looks unbelievable from both the video demonstrations and from what was described by the devs
  • i have not heard one bad thing from any of the many many previews i have read or seen about this game
  • completely upgradable and costomizable dune buggy/ land cruser thing that you can get hydrolics and laser beem upgrades for it and stuff
  • you actually get to pick your own crew as you explore the world, for example if you visit a planet and you see a guy that is a complete badass you might have the option to ask him to join your crew
  • check out all the e3 awards this game has recieved
  • i can go on all day about how good this game is....
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Whyd I hype it GOTY? Because I'm a Bioware fanboy, to be honest. None of their games ever got GOTY, true. But that doesn't stop Baldur's Gate 2 from being on the "Greatest Games of All Time" list, right here at Gamespot.

Bioware is a herald of quality. Don't bash them, m'kay?
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I have no Problem admitting that Jade Empire was a Dissapointment.

But bioware has such an Excellent Track record. Many of their RPG's are amonog the highest scoring of all time.

KOTOR is Still the Absolute Highest scoring RPG of all time on Gamerankings. They Clearly know how to make a Sci Fi RPG..... and that's what Mass Effect is.

It's also true that Bioware's Graphics engines are pretty terrible. Not wonderful looking games. Infact KOTOR's Graphics were the absolute worst aspet of the game.

Now we have Mass Effect using the Unreal 3 Engine and the Game's Graphics....WOW... It's THE Best Looking RPG out there, and by no small margin.

I have No problem at all Hyping Mass Effect as AAA.

I believe that Bioware is one of, if not THE most Talented RPG Dev on the Planet.

 
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Whyd I hype it GOTY? Because I'm a Bioware fanboy, to be honest. None of their games ever got GOTY, true. But that doesn't stop Baldur's Gate 2 from being on the "Greatest Games of All Time" list, right here at Gamespot.

Bioware is a herald of quality. Don't bash them, m'kay?
mutenpika

they're my favorite developer. i'm not bashing them. i'm being realistic.

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i enjoyed jade empire,  maybe it was a disappointment to you but not me
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I have no Problem admitting that Jade Empire was a Dissapointment.

But bioware has such an Excellent Track record. Many of their RPG's are amonog the highest scoring of all time.

KOTOR is Still the Absolute Highest scoring RPG of all time on Gamerankings. They Clearly know how to make a Sci Fi RPG..... and that's what Mass Effect is.

It's also true that Bioware's Graphics engines are pretty terrible. Not wonderful looking games. Infact KOTOR's Graphics were the absolute worst aspet of the game.

Now we have Mass Effect using the Unreal 3 Engine and the Game's Graphics....WOW... It's THE Best Looking RPG out there, and by no small margin.

I have No problem at all Hyping Mass Effect as AAA.

I believe that Bioware is one of, if not THE most Talented RPG Dev on the Planet.

 UpSwing

this is gamespot.

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i enjoyed jade empire,  maybe it was a disappointment to you but not meyouarecry

it wasn't a disappointment to me. it doesn't change the fact that it got an 8.4 here.

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#40 youarecry
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Mass Effect will be EPIC!

People 10 years from now will look back and say, wow this was one of the best games ever made

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[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Yes I realize BioWare's games haven't won GOTY here. And I realize this goes against my nature to do the "but teh GS". . .However KOTOR won almost 50 GOTY awards and over 120 RPG of the year awards. What you're statement is saying is like, "Because Zelda:TP scored AA, why should we hype the new Zelda AAA." CaseyWegner

that's exactly what i'm saying, actually. gamespot is unpredictable.

I agree gamespot is unpredictable. But in the same vein, we could just as easily say, "GS is unpredictable. Maybe ME will score AAAA." It could fall either way. However for the quality of the title, the Developers past games, and even the amount of work going into the title. . .I think it's fair to say that this game has at least a solid Shot at being AAA.

again...jade empire.

So you believe that a developers previous game, locks them into not being able to produce a high quality title for their next game? So with that, then you must believe that everyone hyping MGS4 is completely ignorant as well. Since MGS3 scored AA. BioWare is afterall, more than the sum of 1 title. ESPECIALLY since this game is not a sequel to Jade Empire. If this was Jade Empire 2, I'd agree with you. I don't think that game should be hyped AAA. But let's look at BioWare's history. The Baulder's Gate series. The NWN series. KOTOR. They've developed plenty of games that have scored AAA on GS. Also this game is much more the spiritual sequel to KOTOR than it has anything to do with Jade Empire.
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Because the Gamplay looks awsom, the grapics looks awsom, and looking at KOTOR I think with new hardware I think they can make a awsom game, AAA, but GOTY maybe not. 
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#43 Baird-06
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I honestly don't care what Mass Effect gets score-wise. I just want to play it. :)
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#44 cakeorrdeath
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Everytime Casey does one of these I feel like he is making something seem like a bigger issue than it actually is and then everybody starts proving his point over and over again.

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes"
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#45 youarecry
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plus i always seem to predict the goty

in 2004 i said goty will be w.o.w ( people thought i was crazy) but i was right

in 2005 i said it would be RE4

in 2006 i said it would be Gears of War

This year i feel is the year for Mass Effect, unfortunately this year has the most impressive portfolio of video games to be released ever in video game history so it will have stiff competition

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#46 UpSwing
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And KOTOR most Deffinately Did Win GOTY Awards ( and ofcourse RPGOTY Awards aswell ) .... just not at Gamespot.

If you can Believe it, KOTOR Won a Total of 48 GOTY awards, 33 RPG of the Year Awards, 35 "Other" Awards, and 11 Editors Choice Awards.

Click the Link for a Full Listing.....

http://www.bioware.com/games/knights_old_republic/awards/#goty

 
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#47 Ptolemaueus
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It's not guaranteed to get AAA just because it's a Bioware game.  But the reason I'm hyping this game, along with Bioshock, AAA is because they look promising.

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#48 youarecry
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Casey you said you dont have a 360

so unless you buy one you will not be able to play this game anyways because its not going to be on the pc ( people say it will be on the pc because its bioware, but its not there call, MGS says 360 only)

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#49 UpSwing
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[QUOTE="UpSwing"]I have no Problem admitting that Jade Empire was a Dissapointment.

But bioware has such an Excellent Track record. Many of their RPG's are amonog the highest scoring of all time.

KOTOR is Still the Absolute Highest scoring RPG of all time on Gamerankings. They Clearly know how to make a Sci Fi RPG..... and that's what Mass Effect is.

It's also true that Bioware's Graphics engines are pretty terrible. Not wonderful looking games. Infact KOTOR's Graphics were the absolute worst aspet of the game.

Now we have Mass Effect using the Unreal 3 Engine and the Game's Graphics....WOW... It's THE Best Looking RPG out there, and by no small margin.

I have No problem at all Hyping Mass Effect as AAA.

I believe that Bioware is one of, if not THE most Talented RPG Dev on the Planet.

CaseyWegner

this is gamespot.



So?

Even if you want to Talk JUST Gamespot, that's fine.

Here at Gamespot KOTOR won Xbox GOTY and OVERALL RPG GOTY.

There's Alot of Reasons to have Extremely High Hopes for Mass Effect.

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#50 mythrol
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Everytime Casey does one of these I feel like he is making something seem like a bigger issue than it actually is and then everybody starts proving his point over and over again.

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes"
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I agree. This does seem to be Casey trying to blow this whole thing out of proportion. However, I do enjoy debates that I feel right and justified in. . .so I keep going.