Bioware is now only equal to Obsidian at best

With Bioware making a rushed game like DA2 it really shows how much Obsidian can handle the pressure better. New Vegas was buggy as hell and has crap graphics but I'll be damned if it isn't a fine RPG with a lot of depth and more than 4 areas. DA2 is mediocre in nearly every respect, from dialog to level design to choices along with the bad graphics and bugs.

With Bioware making a rushed game like DA2 it really shows how much Obsidian can handle the pressure better. New Vegas was buggy as hell and has crap graphics but I'll be damned if it isn't a fine RPG with a lot of depth and more than 4 areas. DA2 is mediocre in nearly every respect, from dialog to level design to choices along with the bad graphics and bugs.

Parasomniac

You clearly have not played DA2 but are just jumping on the bash wagon.rybe1025

Can't really comment on the comparison (don't like Fallout, period), but is DA2 really that bad? Due to a promotion thing at a local game store, I could trade in LBP2 & get it for practically nothing, but I didn't really like the first, nor did I finish it (if the story/saves are important). Only four zones though? Anyway, Bioware is responsible for ME1&2, so I'd have trouble putting most developers above the team that worked on that.

Can't really comment on the comparison (don't like Fallout, period), but is DA2 really that bad? Due to a promotion thing at a local game store, I could trade in LBP2 & get it for practically nothing, but I didn't really like the first, nor did I finish it (if the story/saves are important). Only four zones though? Anyway, Bioware is responsible for ME1&2, so I'd have trouble putting most developers above the team that worked on that.

Twin-Blade

It's actually quite good so far. There's a larger, more open world to be found in Kirkwall.

I'm enjoying DAII so far.

Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. 110million

Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. 110million

Really? I haven't played New Vegas, but F:NV must be to F3 what AC2 was to AC if that's the case.

So Bioware finally released a game I like and can actually call good after the 2 clunky Third Person Shooters and the most boring rpg ever and now everyone is hatin?

I don't see the point of all the bashing. The game is still great, I just feel like fans are trying to drag Bioware down for some reason.

I don't see the point of all the bashing. The game is still great, I just feel like fans are trying to drag Bioware down for some reason.

JangoWuzHere

Bioware has taken an action oriented developing posture since ME2, since that turned out great for them, now they expect the same with DAII. Good thing is I'm playing ME1 for the third time, and I'll be probably doing the same with DA:O, those were RPGs not action games with dialogue options.

So Bioware finally released a game I like and can actually call good after the 2 clunky Third Person Shooters and the most boring rpg ever and now everyone is hatin?

SkaRy_RuLeZ

The reason why the fans are hatin is because the sequel targets a different kind of players. They targetted you who found DA:O the most boring rpg ever. Is like Gran Turismo 6 would play like Burnout. There would be a new type of players who will enjoy it but the fans of the serie would feel betrayed.

With Bioware making a rushed game like DA2 it really shows how much Obsidian can handle the pressure better. New Vegas was buggy as hell and has crap graphics but I'll be damned if it isn't a fine RPG with a lot of depth and more than 4 areas. DA2 is mediocre in nearly every respect, from dialog to level design to choices along with the bad graphics and bugs.

Parasomniac

[QUOTE="SkaRy_RuLeZ"]

So Bioware finally released a game I like and can actually call good after the 2 clunky Third Person Shooters and the most boring rpg ever and now everyone is hatin?

edidili

There reason why the fans are hatin is because the sequel target a different kind of players. They targetted you who found DA:O the most boring rpg ever. Is like Gran Turismo 6 would play like Burnout. There would be a new type of players who will enjoy it but the fans of the serie would feel betrayed.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I don't see the point of all the bashing. The game is still great, I just feel like fans are trying to drag Bioware down for some reason.

Parasomniac

I was a huge fan of origins, and I was very disappointed to hear that the sequel would have a voiced character and a dialogue wheel. But I heard that news around 6 months ago. I accepted the game for what it is now. I can't allow myself to be completely depressed about a game. If I did, I would be an elitist by now.

Also its not like the sequel is without its improvements. The combat is better and less repetitive(no more dungeon crawls.), and each side quest has a certain quality to it.

So Bioware finally released a game I like and can actually call good after the 2 clunky Third Person Shooters and the most boring rpg ever and now everyone is hatin?

SkaRy_RuLeZ

Bioware has taken an action oriented developing posture since ME2, since that turned out great for them, now they expect the same with DAII. Good thing is I'm playing ME1 for the third time, and I'll be probably doing the same with DA:O, those were RPGs not action games with dialogue options.

Arthas017

Their latest game scored AA, and they made it in like a year, while working on 2-3 different titles, which will most likely also be AA-AAA if not AAAA, what?

I can understand why people are upset but goddamn it, it's just a game. Go play something else. All of this "I've been betrayed!" nonsense needs to stop.

I can't take any of this stuff personally and I have to wonder about the people who do. I'd rather a game designer make the game that they want or (have to make in the case of a publisher rushing them) and they live or die by that.

Am I disappointed by some of the changes? YES. I hate the recycled environments and for all of it's changes the combat is still clunky, but it isn't the worst game I played, hell it isn't even close.

Mask of the Betrayer > BioWare.

Their latest game scored AA, and they made it in like a year, while working on 2-3 different titles, which will most likely also be AA-AAA if not AAAA, what?

Sandvichman

Yeah we know that they have 2 other big tittles working on right now. Let's just hope that the butchering of Dragon Age was worth it.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Their latest game scored AA, and they made it in like a year, while working on 2-3 different titles, which will most likely also be AA-AAA if not AAAA, what?

edidili

Yeah we know that they have 2 other big tittles working on right now. Let's just hope that the butchering of Dragon Age was worth it.

LolDA2wasmadebytheEdmontonbranchandtherearethreeotherBiowarestudios.jpeg

[QUOTE="Arthas017"]

Bioware has taken an action oriented developing posture since ME2, since that turned out great for them, now they expect the same with DAII. Good thing is I'm playing ME1 for the third time, and I'll be probably doing the same with DA:O, those were RPGs not action games with dialogue options.

therancors

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Their latest game scored AA, and they made it in like a year, while working on 2-3 different titles, which will most likely also be AA-AAA if not AAAA, what?

Sandvichman

Yeah we know that they have 2 other big tittles working on right now. Let's just hope that the butchering of Dragon Age was worth it.

They did it so they could get a boost for SW tor. It is costing a lot to make that game. So DA:O was a quite popular tittle and therefor it needed to be milked. Let's not forget about 20 dlc at first day too.

http://kotaku.com/#!5780870/ever-wonder-why-dragon-age-ii-came-out-so-soon

"EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now"

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[QUOTE="Arthas017"]

Bioware has taken an action oriented developing posture since ME2, since that turned out great for them, now they expect the same with DAII. Good thing is I'm playing ME1 for the third time, and I'll be probably doing the same with DA:O, those were RPGs not action games with dialogue options.

Arthas017

And they still make great games, Mass Effect 2 is a superb game. It is undeniable that Dragon Age 2 is not as good as origins, but its still a great game.

[QUOTE="Arthas017"][QUOTE="therancors"]Maybe they can finally make Jade Empire 2. :P

JangoWuzHere

And they still make great games, Mass Effect 2 is a superb game. It is undeniable that Dragon Age 2 is not as good as origins, but its still a great game.

Oh boo hoo one of their games wasn't as good as the standard they set.

At least they can actually make a new game and not just sequels.

[QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. SkyWard20

YOU ARE ALL SO IGNORANT. JUST BECAUSE BIOWARE RELEASED A GAME THAT SCORED IN GAMESPOT A 8.0 YOU BASH BIOWARE... AS IF ALL BIOWARE GAMES SUCK .JUST BECAUSE BIOWARE RELEASED A GAME THAT IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT'S OTHER GAMES YOU BASH IT. A GAME THAT IS 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 TIMES BETTER THAN MOST OF THE GAMES OUT THERE.GO AND PLAY SOME FPS PLEASE AND LEAVE US PLAY DA2 EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT JUST AS GOOD AS DA:O

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. Indie_Hitman

Obsidian has great ideas but executes them very poorly. Just look at Alpha Protocol.

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Um, 'far better' is a bit of a stretch.SkyWard20

And yes, i still need to play their best games from the 90s...

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So Bioware finally released a game I like and can actually call good after the 2 clunky Third Person Shooters and the most boring rpg ever and now everyone is hatin?

The reason why the fans are hatin is because the sequel targets a different kind of players. They targetted you who found DA:O the most boring rpg ever. Is like Gran Turismo 6 would play like Burnout. There would be a new type of players who will enjoy it but the fans of the serie would feel betrayed.

Come on guys, Bioware is an excellent developer. They made a ton of AAA games like Mass Effect, KOTOR, and DA: Origins but then they make one, just one 8/10 game that didn't meet the hype and suddenly they're a very bad dev that only makes shameless consolized games.

Come on guys, Bioware is an excellent developer. They made a ton of AAA games like Mass Effect, KOTOR, and DA: Origins but then they make one, just one8/10 game that didn't meet the hype and suddenly they're a very bad dev thatonly makes shameless consolized games.

XVision84

Obsidian has great ideas but executes them very poorly. Just look at Alpha Protocol.

Darksiders666

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Come on guys, Bioware is an excellent developer. They made a ton of AAA games like Mass Effect, KOTOR, and DA: Origins but then they make one, just one8/10 game that didn't meet the hype and suddenly they're a very bad dev thatonly makes shameless consolized games.

Indie_Hitman

:shock: woah okay I never knew Bioware made a Sonic game :lol: okay, a few 9/10 games, one 8/10 game and a 6.5/10 game. At least they learned from their mistakes? :P I really don't get how they saw potential in a Sonic RPG though.

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

Bioware has been pretty awful lately, lifetime however, I still think highly of them. I thought the Dragon Age 2 demo was pretty shoddy and both Mass Effect games were incredibly tedious to me. Dragon Age Origins is their "best" game this gen, but even that wasnt particulary fun. I liked the battle system it had but that was it. I was very disappointed in the changes for DA2.

Obsidian are still good, they made Fallout New Vegas and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Bioware... not so much

Come on guys, Bioware is an excellent developer. They made a ton of AAA games like Mass Effect, KOTOR, and DA: Origins but then they make one, just one 8/10 game that didn't meet the hype and suddenly they're a very bad dev that only makes shameless consolized games.

XVision84

Of course they are great, one of the best for me but they are not Bioware that brought us ME1, Kotor and DA:O. Since EA bought them Bioware doesn't exists anymore. It's EA Bioware and the name is still there because of the fame it has. The decisions are made from EA now. (both ME1 and DA:O were already into development when EA bought Bioware so these games were not affected)

For example

(why the lead designed for Dragon Age decided not to work on Dragon Age 2.

Why Brent Knowles left in his own words:

http://blog.brentknowles.com/2010/08/15/bioware-brent-year-10-fall-2008-summer-2009/

The bottom line is: to a greater or lesser extent, Brent Knowles left because the direction the game (DA2), and the company had changed to something he could not work for anymore because they were making the game into something he didnt envision as his type of game. )