Bioware is now only equal to Obsidian at best

Lol wow... I absolutely don't understand why people feel inclined to bash on DA2 so much, personally I'm enjoying it as much as I enjoyed Origins, perhaps even more. It's also very ironic how people are taking the DA2 reviews so seriously considering that for nearly every other game reviews are BS

Oh well, SW will always be SW :roll:

Bioware has been pretty awful lately, lifetime however, I still think highly of them. I thought the Dragon Age 2 demo was pretty shoddy and both Mass Effect games were incredibly tedious to me. Dragon Age Origins is their "best" game this gen, but even that wasnt particulary fun. I liked the battle system it had but that was it. I was very disappointed in the changes for DA2.

Obsidian are still good, they made Fallout New Vegas and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Bioware... not so much

Maroxad

Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. 110million

Bioware has yet to make a game as clearly unfinished as Alpha Protocol and Obsidian has yet to make a game this gen as critically acclaimed an all around great as Mass Effect 2 and the original Dragon Age. Call me when they do.

[QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. SkyWard20

I find that to be true, I mean in Alpha Protocol your decisions can change the story, boss fights, and others. The end game can be easy or hard based on the decisions you made. Bioware doesn't do anything like that.

[QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. SkyWard20

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Bioware has been pretty awful lately, lifetime however, I still think highly of them. I thought the Dragon Age 2 demo was pretty shoddy and both Mass Effect games were incredibly tedious to me. Dragon Age Origins is their "best" game this gen, but even that wasnt particulary fun. I liked the battle system it had but that was it. I was very disappointed in the changes for DA2.

Obsidian are still good, they made Fallout New Vegas and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Bioware... not so much

SkyWard20

Common complaints with Dragon Age 2 includes the new combat system, I have heard people complain about animations for instance. You have a set character unlike the origin system in Origins, voiced character and dialogue wheel, and excessive day 1 DLC milkage.

I don't think DA2 is horrible, but I'll agree that Bioware hasn't been all that amazing this generation. I mostly blame the conversation wheel/terrible main character voice actors. If you're going to sacrifice my choices for the sake of a movie-like feel than don't make it feel like a B-movie at least.

Because of one worse than expected game?

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. 110million

I can agree with this.

[QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. treedoor

I can agree with this.

It's a goddamn main quest! I'd expect a side quest giving you issues but, come on, that should have been caught.

Both companies need to step it up in the QA dept. I think ME2 was probably Bioware's least broken game.

Dragon Age 2 is a fantastic game, just stop it.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="edidili"]

Yeah we know that they have 2 other big tittles working on right now. Let's just hope that the butchering of Dragon Age was worth it.

edidili

They did it so they could get a boost for SW tor. It is costing a lot to make that game. So DA:O was a quite popular tittle and therefor it needed to be milked. Let's not forget about 20 dlc at first day too.

http://kotaku.com/#!5780870/ever-wonder-why-dragon-age-ii-came-out-so-soon

"EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now"

Someone should tell EA that unlike movie goers, we gamers can wait a few years for sequels. Maybe Activision while they are at it.

Hopefully they don't do the same thing with Mass Effect 3 but with it being released this year, that does seem to be happening.

Yes, because one game that is considered above average at worst, one single game compared to every other massive Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect hit they've made lowers them down to second place status.

Great logic TC.

[QUOTE="110million"]Obsidian does far better plot, characters, choices, etc in general. treedoor

I can agree with this.

lol DA2 is fine. None of the gameplay choices have bothered me. I will say the story and pacing isnt as good as the first one so far... but im not that far into the game yet.

The game mechanics, even if a little streamlined, are still like quantum physics compared to the witcher.

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

Whiteblade999

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

SkyWard20

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Bioware has been pretty awful lately, lifetime however, I still think highly of them. I thought the Dragon Age 2 demo was pretty shoddy and both Mass Effect games were incredibly tedious to me. Dragon Age Origins is their "best" game this gen, but even that wasnt particulary fun. I liked the battle system it had but that was it. I was very disappointed in the changes for DA2.

Obsidian are still good, they made Fallout New Vegas and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Bioware... not so much

Maroxad

Common complaints with Dragon Age 2 includes the new combat system, I have heard people complain about animations for instance. You have a set character unlike the origin system in Origins, voiced character and dialogue wheel, and excessive day 1 DLC milkage.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

DarkLink77

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

Not a fan of Dragon Age 1 or 2. But ME and their others games are great

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

DarkLink77

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

The two biggest gripes I have with the game is the major reuse of level design and I can't seem to customize my companion's outfit. The first gripe reminds me of Mass Effect and the second was like from Mass Effect 2. Overall, still a fun game to play and I've already clocked about 13 hours on it.

Obsidian wishes they were as great as Bioware, sorry but Fallout NV was just ugh, a bad taste in my mouth.

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

SkyWard20

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

Its sad AP wont get a sequel. Besides some bug issues the game was actually very good.

Obsidian has better writing in their games than BioWare, and there is more depth.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Alpha Protocol is a cash-in after Mass Effect's success.

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

Guppy507

Not at all. KoTOR II had a great story. The game just wasn't done, which the RCM has largely fixed.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Alpha Protocol is a cash-in after Mass Effect's success.

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Obsidian's take on their sequels is often very unique. BioWare would never be able to write a game like Obsidian wrote KoTOR II, for instance.DarkLink77

Obsidian games are known for having... problems. There's only so much blame you can put on the publishers.

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

RawDeal_basic

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

edidili

No wonder consolites buy all kind of crap as long as it comes from a big dev with a huge marketing behind.

The last two Obsidian games (New Vegas and Alpha Protocol) were horrible (NV less than AP).

One of the last two BioWare games (ME2) is one (arguably the) best game this gen and the other isDA2 (meh).

BioWare is still far ahead.

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Obsidian has good writers and unique games compared to Bioware. Dragon Age vs. Mask of the Betrayer and Mass Effect vs. Alpha Protocol isn't even close.

SkyWard20

The rest are sequels with minimal changes over their predecessors that try to cash in on their successes.

Unique games my ass.

An entirely dynamic spy rpg vs. a sci-fi rpg with choices that boil down to good or evil. By the way Alpha Protocol was in development since before Mass Effect came out.

Mask of the Betrayer is Obsidian's best game because everything in the game is unique and has some of the best writing in a game (it was done by the same writer as Planescape Torment). Dragon Age is an attempt to combine Tolkien and medieval history with some grey choices that amount to be an asshat or be lawful good hero.

Obsidian sure beats the hell out of anything Bioware can do outside of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 because their games are unique like I said. The one thing Bioware has had going for them over Obsidian was polish and a more defined scope.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

edidili

No wonder consolites buy all kind of crap as long as it comes from a big dev with a huge marketing behind.

Did you really use the term shovelware for games like DA2 or ME2. I mean I get if you dont like it but the term shovelware is best used for games like ninjabread man not these.

Obsidian tries to put more roleplaying in their roleplaying games, Bioware has just been turning Dragon Age II into God of War minus the decent combat.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

edidili

No wonder consolites buy all kind of crap as long as it comes from a big dev with a huge marketing behind.

Obsidian tries to put more roleplaying in their roleplaying games, Bioware has just been turning Dragon Age II into God of War minus the decent combat.

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I love how hermits are so quick to turn their backs on developers who provided them with great games over the years. It happened with Valve (L4D2), Crytek, and now Bioware. I mean, geez, give them another chance. They're only human. :|

God help Bioware if ME3 gets under a 9...

edidili

No wonder consolites buy all kind of crap as long as it comes from a big dev with a huge marketing behind.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Obsidian tries to put more roleplaying in their roleplaying games, Bioware has just been turning Dragon Age II into God of War minus the decent combat.

svenus97

I headdesk everytime I read comments lke this,

It's funny you physically hurt yourself over internet comments.

where the hell are you people getting the info that DA2's combat is hack'n'slash, seriously ?

By playing it!

It seems everyone is jumping on the bash train just because others do...

No, it just that my opinion happens to be shared by many people.

I'm sure if DA2 was the exact same game it is now, and 99% of hermits loved it, you would love it.

No not really, I've spoken out against many games that hermits love i.e EVE Online

Anyway none of this was a rebuttal to my comments.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="svenus97"] This a million times, this.svenus97

No wonder consolites buy all kind of crap as long as it comes from a big dev with a huge marketing behind.

I know I don't speak for all the hermits here but what I don't like is a developer taking something that works and destroying it instead of improving on it. Dragon Age had a bad console release and a good PC release. The logical thing to do would have been keep the PC version as-is and revamp the console version. Now if that wasn't bad enough they are bombarding us with preorder bonuses which shouldn't exist because a good game sells itself.

Another example of a developer screwing up a game is The Creative Assembly doing Empire: Total War which is PC only. They release a game about naval conolonization which is awesome except the AI can't launch naval invasions. Another huge issue was they had supported modding with an in-depth toolset and instead of giving it to us in Empire they locked everyone out to sell DLC.

These are what should be annoying PC gamers and not minor things like a big UI or no Direct X 11 support.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Obsidian tries to put more roleplaying in their roleplaying games, Bioware has just been turning Dragon Age II into God of War minus the decent combat.

Vesica_Prime

I headdesk everytime I read comments lke this,

It's funny you physically hurt yourself over internet comments.

where the hell are you people getting the info that DA2's combat is hack'n'slash, seriously ?

By playing it!

It seems everyone is jumping on the bash train just because others do...

No, it just that my opinion happens to be shared by many people.

I'm sure if DA2 was the exact same game it is now, and 99% of hermits loved it, you would love it.

No not really, I've spoken out against many games that hermits love i.e EVE Online

Anyway none of this was a rebuttal to my comments.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="svenus97"]

I headdesk everytime I read comments lke this,

It's funny you physically hurt yourself over internet comments.

where the hell are you people getting the info that DA2's combat is hack'n'slash, seriously ?

By playing it!

It seems everyone is jumping on the bash train just because others do...

No, it just that my opinion happens to be shared by many people.

I'm sure if DA2 was the exact same game it is now, and 99% of hermits loved it, you would love it.

No not really, I've spoken out against many games that hermits love i.e EVE Online

svenus97

Anyway none of this was a rebuttal to my comments.

Yes, I can.

And by the way, I love how you automatically assume someone hasn't played your favourite game when they don't worship it.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Anyway none of this was a rebuttal to my comments.

Vesica_Prime

Yes, I can.

And by the way, I love how you automatically assume someone hasn't played your favourite game when they don't worship it.

I never quite understood the love Bioware gets, Black Isle when they were around were easily better then Bioware.