BioWare needs to step it up

Mass effect 2 is highly overated on here, good game but not game of the generation good.

I like when I start up New Vegas, it immediately decides to freeze on me. So fun!

I prefer Mass Effect 1 and 2 over both New Vegas and Fallout 3. I felt like I was playing Elder Scrolls re-skinned with the latest Fallout titles.

always have to check to make sure you're not being sarcastic :P

my post is a little schizophrenic. I was thinking of just subject today in fact, and there's a lot of factors to it

yes, "fork in the road" is a good way to describe the difference between ME2 and new vegas, but bioware certainly put work into their games. the depth of presentation is massive compared to new vegas with it's old animations and dialogue system. I love both games, I they could learn a lot from each other.

mass effect could use perks and some more open ended hub worlds. but I can't fault the direction made for commander shepard. yes, you were basically a cop (in ME1), but within that narrow concept you had a lot of good cop/bad cop decisions instead of that being just a small side job.

the way ME2 handled carrying over choices was pretty dissapointing, it was like writing a new season for a series that had huge open questions. the lazy solution is to focus on some other location and leave the previous stuff ambiguous. bioware killed you and brought you back to life working for a terrorist group, great, but whether there was a human or alien council at the citadel made very little difference :(

of course the budget for such an undertaking would be huge, completely seperate mutually exclusive plot lines that extend throughout the game? how many disks would that be? the voice actors would revolt! :P I don't know, maybe if bioware hadn't worked so hard on changing the gameplay they could have afforded a huge open ended storyline.

looking to the future, I just hope bioware doesn't crap out on all the different potential plot lines in ME3. we need some solid tangible consequences for saving or destroying all that alien technology, and for who we saved or defeated, etc.

also, I still dont' get how ME2's speech checks work. just give us the ability to assign skill points to charm/intimidate ourselves, I like that much better, and I love playing a diplomatic character in New vegas.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

Ok, sure. Have you played it?

jethrovegas

Two things:

1. I'm not getting into a genre debate. Not doing it.

2. Play the damn game before commenting on it.

A huge problem I have with Bioware games is that they are generally the same exact thing: you start the game with a character who( excluding the ME series) has forgotten who they are and you travel around gathering companions and then you have something majorly epic happen where the bad guy destroys you and your squad. You figure out who you really are and you have to do a bunch of missions to track down the bad guy and finally kill him/her. Every single Bioware RPG except the ME series follows this exact outline. Another thing I dislike is how black and white the morality system is. You are either and angel or the devil incarnate in every single game, never being given a valid opportunity to be neutral. Fallout 3's faction system to me is a primitive version of what I would love to have in my RPG's. It needs a little bit of refinement, but for the time being it is one of the best in any single player RPG.

I gotta agree with TC.

Even if mass effect 2 is way more polished, NV offers a vastly superior experience in terms of role playing.

they're not even the same style of games. why are you comparing them?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I like how in Mass Effect 2, my friends don't spawn inside rocks and then proceeds to freeze the game.jethrovegas

I've never played a Bioware game where my newly awesome, created character, falls through the floor of the opening area and has a seizure, making his arms and legs shake around continuously until i loaded a previous save. Nor have i had a level cap at 20 ( in a freakin RPG) in which they had me purchase a DLC to raise the level cap.

Bioware has always had my back in their games, and i got theirs. Bioware cant step up because theirs nothing above them except their selves. Kokuro_Kun

So you choose to ignore the content of either game in favor of technical discussions?

That's understandable; you couldn't possibly defend Mass Effect or Dragon Age's quests or character systems in comparison to New Vegas, so it's best to focus on things that they actually do better, like textures, and, umm, meshes, and stuff. :lol:

Something I've been wanting to ask, but these glitches and other technical issues I hear of; are they found more in the PC or 360 version, or equally in both? Also should Fallout3 be played forst or can one simply dive into NV?

New Vegas is garbage, let me know when Bethesda releases a game that's not running on an engine from 2006.

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"]I've never played a Bioware game where my newly awesome, created character, falls through the floor of the opening area and has a seizure, making his arms and legs shake around continuously until i loaded a previous save. Nor have i had a level cap at 20 ( in a freakin RPG) in which they had me purchase a DLC to raise the level cap.

Bioware has always had my back in their games, and i got theirs. Bioware cant step up because theirs nothing above them except their selves. AdobeArtist

So you choose to ignore the content of either game in favor of technical discussions?

That's understandable; you couldn't possibly defend Mass Effect or Dragon Age's quests or character systems in comparison to New Vegas, so it's best to focus on things that they actually do better, like textures, and, umm, meshes, and stuff. :lol:

Something I've been wanting to ask, but these glitches and other technical issues I hear of; are they found more in the PC or 360 version, or equally in both? Also should Fallout3 be played forst or can one simply dive into NV?

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

Incidently, Dragon Age in it's current state (patch 1.04) has fixed a lot of things while breaking a new slew of stuff. The game is as of now not stable under Windows 7. you may crash every 10 minutes or every few hours. Before that it was DLC not getting authorized properly (byebye forever Blood Dragon Armor. vanished from inventory).

With DA2 on the horizon, DA:O will forever be left like this with Bioware not even acknowledging the bugs.

That's right, the latest patch is less stable than previous itterations.

So when you say that "BioWare puts out a ton of added content plus patches." it's more like "Bioware puts out a ton of DLC and then moves on".

Filthybastrd

The only problem I had with 1.04 was one file-write failed, which made the patch stop. All I had to do was uninstall then reinstall (which was 1.04).

At 1.25 Mbps download speed, it didn't take very long.:P

Insofar as unpatched bugs, the only one that bothers me is the "Silverite Mine Bug" in Awakening. It has bittenme once with a dwarf rogue character, but didn't when I ran an elf mage.

A huge problem I have with Bioware games is that they are generally the same exact thing: you start the game with a character who( excluding the ME series) has forgotten who they are and you travel around gathering companions and then you have something majorly epic happen where the bad guy destroys you and your squad. You figure out who you really are and you have to do a bunch of missions to track down the bad guy and finally kill him/her. Every single Bioware RPG except the ME series follows this exact outline. Another thing I dislike is how black and white the morality system is. You are either and angel or the devil incarnate in every single game, never being given a valid opportunity to be neutral. Fallout 3's faction system to me is a primitive version of what I would love to have in my RPG's. It needs a little bit of refinement, but for the time being it is one of the best in any single player RPG.

shakmaster13

Both companies suck. Every new Bioware game is modified KOTOR. (KOTOR with guns, medieval KOTOR, KOTOR Kung-fu) Every new Bethesda title is modified Oblivion. (Oblivion with guns, aka, Fallout 3 and NV) Fallout 3 bored me, and Dragon Age was a massive step back in several areas, not the least of which was a usually poorly cobbled together mute created character, and horrible presentation. Oblivion was a pretty yet empty game that was grossly inferior to Morrowind, and Fallout is Oblivion with guns. They both need to shake things up.SteveTabernacle

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]Both companies suck. Every new Bioware game is modified KOTOR. (KOTOR with guns, medieval KOTOR, KOTOR Kung-fu) Every new Bethesda title is modified Oblivion. (Oblivion with guns, aka, Fallout 3 and NV) Fallout 3 bored me, and Dragon Age was a massive step back in several areas, not the least of which was a usually poorly cobbled together mute created character, and horrible presentation. Oblivion was a pretty yet empty game that was grossly inferior to Morrowind, and Fallout is Oblivion with guns. They both need to shake things up.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]Both companies suck. Every new Bioware game is modified KOTOR. (KOTOR with guns, medieval KOTOR, KOTOR Kung-fu) Every new Bethesda title is modified Oblivion. (Oblivion with guns, aka, Fallout 3 and NV) Fallout 3 bored me, and Dragon Age was a massive step back in several areas, not the least of which was a usually poorly cobbled together mute created character, and horrible presentation. Oblivion was a pretty yet empty game that was grossly inferior to Morrowind, and Fallout is Oblivion with guns. They both need to shake things up.SteveTabernacle

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]Both companies suck. Every new Bioware game is modified KOTOR. (KOTOR with guns, medieval KOTOR, KOTOR Kung-fu) Every new Bethesda title is modified Oblivion. (Oblivion with guns, aka, Fallout 3 and NV) Fallout 3 bored me, and Dragon Age was a massive step back in several areas, not the least of which was a usually poorly cobbled together mute created character, and horrible presentation. Oblivion was a pretty yet empty game that was grossly inferior to Morrowind, and Fallout is Oblivion with guns. They both need to shake things up.SteveTabernacle

[QUOTE="dreman999"] No, it's not. They just took the old fallout 3 engine. Made a new story. And rushed it. Witcher 2 and DEUX 3 is a highly ambitious game.jethrovegas

Ok, sure. Have you played it?

This thread is pointless, honestly. These games may both be classified as "RPG's", but they are completely different. One is a sandbox game, and the other isn't, and it isn't trying to be. So the TC prefers the sandbox style of FO:NV over ME 2. Whoopadie-doo. Blog it.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and SquareEnix doesn't change things up? Except for exposing their flaws even more and more. So Bethesda's games are all first person RPGs, but Fallout 3 and NV are significant steps foward from Oblivion and the Elder Scrollls series. Right, Jade Empire plays just like KOTOR....lol. SteveTabernacle

they're not even the same style of games. why are you comparing them?

CaseyWegner

Fallout 3 has no business being mentioned in the same sentence as Deus Ex unless that sentence is something like Deus Ex>>>>>>>>>>poop>>>>>>>>>>>>Blinx: the Time Sweeper>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fallout 3.SteveTabernacle

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

Both companies suck. Every new Bioware game is modified KOTOR. (KOTOR with guns, medieval KOTOR, KOTOR Kung-fu) Every new Bethesda title is modified Oblivion. (Oblivion with guns, aka, Fallout 3 and NV) Fallout 3 bored me, and Dragon Age was a massive step back in several areas, not the least of which was a usually poorly cobbled together mute created character, and horrible presentation. Oblivion was a pretty yet empty game that was grossly inferior to Morrowind, and Fallout is Oblivion with guns. They both need to shake things up.SteveTabernacle

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="dreman999"] That 2 other people. Thank you. The tc clearly made a topic about free roming style rpgs vs story based character role play style rpgs. This is what I been saying alone. The tc is complaining about preferance. dreman999

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

hmmm...I'm confused here...your comparing 2 games that while they are wrpgs are nothing alike...at no point did bioware claim mass effect 1 or 2 were sandbox rpgs like fallout or elderscrolls were...so exactly why would one compare what is a linear game and isn't advertised as sandbox...to a game that is advertised as sandbox?

you cannot sit and complain about linearity in a game that never promised you non-linear.

Mass effect 2 is highly overated on here, good game but not game of the generation good.

spookykid143

If your point is that Mass Effect 3 should be more like New Vegas then I definitely disagree, why would any Mass Effect fans want that?rolo107

I certainly wouldn't. They're two different styIes of game.

I dont get some of the hate againse NV combat system. I actually enjoy it.

Dang dude what did that game do to you.

I dont get some of the hate againse NV combat system. I actually enjoy it.

finalfantasy94

I haven't played NV, but I think a lot of people expect an FPS, and get an RPG. Same issue sank Alpha Protocol critically, which was a damn shame.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

I dont get some of the hate againse NV combat system. I actually enjoy it.

psn8214

I haven't played NV, but I think a lot of people expect an FPS, and get an RPG. Same issue sank Alpha Protocol critically, which was a damn shame.

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

They both need to fix their morality system it is way to black and white.

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

finalfantasy94

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

psn8214

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

spookykid143

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

It was alright. They could have perhaps scaled it better.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

psn8214

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

They both need to fix their morality system it is way to black and white.

spookykid143

I really need to get that game.lbjkurono23

Steam puts the PC version on sale semi-regularly, so you should be able to grab it ultra-cheap if you keep your eyes out! :)

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

psn8214

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

Yea I actually like that twist alot. I also like the fact you basicly find out some of the factors of your choice right away. Im truly sad a part 2 will never come.