BioWare needs to step it up

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] I really need to get that game.psn8214

Steam puts the PC version on sale semi-regularly, so you should be able to grab it ultra-cheap if you keep your eyes out! :)

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Yea it is a shame since AP was a good game. It was just hurt by alot of tec and polish problems.

spookykid143

Even those I found to be exxagerated. I played it on my PC, and my little brother played it on my PS3, and neither of us ever had any problems. It's such a shame the game won't receive a sequel either - they did so much right. The timed dialogue system in particular added a lot of unexepected gravitas to making choices. I wouldn't mind seeing Mass Effect 3 use such a thing in places where it makes sense.

It had some hick ups here and there but I never thought of it as bad some improvments could be made though. I alsolike the fact that I just cant use every gun I see to perfection.

After looking at Bioware's 2011 lineup, I am inclined to agree. Now I know we haven't played DA2, but I am not really liking what I am seeing, though I will get the game regardless (Unless it is just TERRIBLE). I was once really excited for TOR, but now I am starting to become really skeptical. GW2 just looks better from what I have seen, but damn I love me some Star Wars, so I will probably get it too. :Pmillerlight89

I liked Dragon Age Origins a lot, so I was inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt ... until they removed my isometric camera. That's how I played Origins 100% of the time. :(

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]After looking at Bioware's 2011 lineup, I am inclined to agree. Now I know we haven't played DA2, but I am not really liking what I am seeing, though I will get the game regardless (Unless it is just TERRIBLE). I was once really excited for TOR, but now I am starting to become really skeptical. GW2 just looks better from what I have seen, but damn I love me some Star Wars, so I will probably get it too. :Ppsn8214

I liked Dragon Age Origins a lot, so I was inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt ... until they removed my isometric camera. That's how I played Origins 100% of the time. :(

Luckily I never used that view :P. I'm more worried about the combat, it looks terrible.millerlight89

I don't like a lot of the choices they're making, plus binding camera to a single character? Ugh... DA2 is a major wait-and-see for me at this point.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]After looking at Bioware's 2011 lineup, I am inclined to agree. Now I know we haven't played DA2, but I am not really liking what I am seeing, though I will get the game regardless (Unless it is just TERRIBLE). I was once really excited for TOR, but now I am starting to become really skeptical. GW2 just looks better from what I have seen, but damn I love me some Star Wars, so I will probably get it too. :Pmillerlight89

I liked Dragon Age Origins a lot, so I was inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt ... until they removed my isometric camera. That's how I played Origins 100% of the time. :(

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

I liked Dragon Age Origins a lot, so I was inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt ... until they removed my isometric camera. That's how I played Origins 100% of the time. :(

spookykid143

If anything New Vegas took a step back from Fallout 3

brickdoctor

[QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

If anything New Vegas took a step back from Fallout 3

Juggernaut140

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Luckily I never used that view :P. I'm more worried about the combat, it looks terrible.millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]And there was nothing wrong with the combat in the first place on PC at least.

spookykid143

i don't know if many others feel the same way but i haven't been very interested in any of the newer rpg.i loved fallout 1 and 2,baldurs gate 1 and 2,icewind dale, planescape,and the kotor games.as a fan of fallout i tried 3 but didn't enjoy it very much or dragon age.xromad01

They both need to fix their morality system it is way to black and white.

spookykid143

If anything New Vegas took a step back from Fallout 3

[QUOTE="xromad01"]i don't know if many others feel the same way but i haven't been very interested in any of the newer rpg.i loved fallout 1 and 2,baldurs gate 1 and 2,icewind dale, planescape,and the kotor games.as a fan of fallout i tried 3 but didn't enjoy it very much or dragon age.dreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="xromad01"]i don't know if many others feel the same way but i haven't been very interested in any of the newer rpg.i loved fallout 1 and 2,baldurs gate 1 and 2,icewind dale, planescape,and the kotor games.as a fan of fallout i tried 3 but didn't enjoy it very much or dragon age.xromad01

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] Well that's just untrue. WilliamRLBaker

BioWare has a great storyline working in Mass Effect.

Anyone who has seen the last 60 seconds of the closing cinematic will want ME3 - it was a great way to end the second game.:)

Why are we comparing RPG games to Action games?

Why are we comparing RPG games to Action games?

lucky_star

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

If anything New Vegas took a step back from Fallout 3

millerlight89

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] How the hell did I miss that unholy comment. How wrong can one be?Juggernaut140

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] How the hell did I miss that unholy comment. How wrong can one be?Juggernaut140

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] its opinion so it can't be wrong. and from a glitch standpoint I would agree obsidian are kings of releaseing games that don't actually work.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] New Vegas works fine and in my experience, Fallout 3 was the glitchier game. Juggernaut140

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Why are we comparing RPG games to Action games?

dreman999

[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"]Nor have i had a level cap at 20 ( in a freakin RPG) in which they had me purchase a DLC to raise the level cap.Stevo_the_gamer

Dragon Age. ;)

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] New Vegas works fine and in my experience, Fallout 3 was the glitchier game. Juggernaut140

Every damn reviewer? Pretty much everyone who has played it? the developer admitted it? Pretty much everyone knows it

Why are we comparing RPG games to Action games?

[QUOTE="xromad01"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Did you at lease try any of the new rpgs?dreman999

Bioware are great devs with more talent/credibility than all of Obsidian. They are known for great stories. navyguy21

That's funny considering one of the guys at Obsidian was the writer/mainguy responsible for Planescape Torment when he worked for Black isle....

so maybe you should do some research before posting in the future?

if there's one big flaw with the faction system in NV,it' the way clothes affect it.

I do a bunch of quests for the NCR...but because I'm wearing an NCR ranger combat armor...the reputation is still set at neutral :?

I'm pretty sure the same "innovations" in player choice and faction systems in Fallout New Vegas were there in the original two Fallouts. Brownesque

The faction design and integration of quests into that overall design is better in New Vegas than it is in either of the original Fallout games, by far. We can sit here all day and pretend that they had the depth of faction integration that NV has, but they don't.

The key evolution which New Vegas makes over any of its predecessors is in the area of quest design. The game layers many quests on top of each other, and works them into one another without making it seem forced; that's incredibly rare in role playing games, even really good ones, and it's rare because it takes a great deal of effort and forethought.

FO 1/2 are better than NV in many ways (particularly FO1), but this is one area where they simply aren't.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]I'm pretty sure the same "innovations" in player choice and faction systems in Fallout New Vegas were there in the original two Fallouts. jethrovegas

The faction design and integration of quests into that overall design is better in New Vegas than it is in either of the original Fallout games, by far. We can sit here all day and pretend that they had the depth of faction integration that NV has, but they don't.

The key evolution which New Vegas makes over any of its predecessors is in the area of quest design. The game layers many quests on top of each other, and works them into one another without making it seem forced; that's incredibly rare in role playing games, even really good ones, and it's rare because it takes a great deal of effort and forethought.

FO 1/2 are better than NV in many ways (particularly FO1), but this is one area where they simply aren't.

I think what you are saying is you enjoy more open-ended kinds of WRPGs? You cant bash bioware from making a DIFFERENT kind of RPG than what you like. Bioware are great devs, with more clout/talent/credibility than all of Obsidian and Bethesda. They are known for great stories, fleshed out worlds, and great gameplay to tie it all together. Simply because you prefer more freedom to roam and explore doesnt mean that BIoware is being left behind. Maybe your tastes are different. navyguy21

Huh? You like that? Because I really prefer those quests that were in the first Mass Effect that had to do with planatory exploration. You know, where you get some message from Admiral Hackett that goes something along the lines of, "One of our research teams went missing in this sector" and Shepherd is all "Maybe if I have time" and then you go to that sector and click on the planets until you find which one is the one you can land on. Then you blast down to the surface of this supposedly life supporting planet that is nothing but completely barren terrain without the slightest bit of work put into it. Then you drive around until you find the base that is sticking out of the barren landscape like a sore thumb. Then you walk inside, there's husks or mercenaries, you have a brief shootout, run to the back of this two room base and check the computer that has a message like, "We killed the research team two days ago" and then you go back to the Normandy and Admiral Hackett is like, "Damn shame about that research team Shepherd, anyway here's 500 credits for your trouble" Yeah I liked that sidequest. It was even more fun the 5 or 6 other times I did it throughout the game with different enemies occasionally being at that base. Bioware are masters of story telling. Ragingbear505

Yes, and the only defense I've heard for that kind of content in general (not just ME, in other words) is "well, better that than nothing" to which I can only respond, well no, not really, considering I won't waste my time with that sort of bull ****.

Bravo jv, Fallout: New Vegas destroys anything Bioware ever made.

I'm pretty sure the same "innovations" in player choice and faction systems in Fallout New Vegas were there in the original two Fallouts. And I'm pretty sure a lot of those systems were alive and functioning in robust fashion back in the tabletop RPG games. No, what Mass Effect does is worse than failing to meet the standard of some innovative new RPG. What it did was actually take an action game, tag on some RPG elements, and then call it an RPG game. ME is an action-RPG. Let's not tuffle around with that idea, that's what it is. If you need a check on that idea see Planescape Torment. There's nothing wrong with Mass Effect as a game, it just ain't an RPG in the classical sense. I really enjoyed pulling mecha AI bots from behind pillars they were using as cover with a telekineses vortex, but that doesn't make it an RPG.Brownesque

Maybe the biotic combat didn't make ME2 an RPG, but the gameplay element of interacting with the world around you, sure as hell did.

Why are we comparing RPG games to Action games?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]That's good to know, improving is never a bad thing, hope the 3rd one feels way more RPGish, they should go all out on it. [QUOTE="dreman999"] For the last time......FO:NV is not an action game.dreman999

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Bioware are great devs with more talent/credibility than all of Obsidian. They are known for great stories. Kandlegoat

That's funny considering one of the guys at Obsidian was the writer/mainguy responsible for Planescape Torment when he worked for Black isle....

so maybe you should do some research before posting in the future?

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]I'm pretty sure the same "innovations" in player choice and faction systems in Fallout New Vegas were there in the original two Fallouts. And I'm pretty sure a lot of those systems were alive and functioning in robust fashion back in the tabletop RPG games. No, what Mass Effect does is worse than failing to meet the standard of some innovative new RPG. What it did was actually take an action game, tag on some RPG elements, and then call it an RPG game. ME is an action-RPG. Let's not tuffle around with that idea, that's what it is. If you need a check on that idea see Planescape Torment. There's nothing wrong with Mass Effect as a game, it just ain't an RPG in the classical sense. I really enjoyed pulling mecha AI bots from behind pillars they were using as cover with a telekineses vortex, but that doesn't make it an RPG.AdobeArtist

Maybe the biotic combat didn't make ME2 an RPG, but the gameplay element of interacting with the world around you, sure as hell did.

Maybe in the next fallout some crazy scientist invents a portal.. and you use it.. and accidently end up in the normandy sr2 ;)