Bizarre responds - We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc

Comments? Guess we'll just have to check how much space is used when it's released next month.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Disc Oh?
Wrong end of stick been grasped?

As I'm sure you've seen, some of the comments made on our forum have been blown out of all proportion. This has been reported on certain web sites. It seems that a number of fanboys have jumped on the topic... sigh. So it's time we cleared this one up...

When we started designing PGR4 our primary goals were to create a great and unique experience over and above PGR3, to push the hardware as far as we could, and obviously to ensure that we give great value for money. DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.

The previous game, PGR3, had five environments. That's how much we could create given our time and resources for that game. With the longer development cycle we've had for PGR4, as well as the advantage of having final hardware, we wanted to create a far bigger and better game by this time including 10 environments, as well as a whole bunch of new gameplay features.

Rather than having two "fixed" times of day, this time around we decided to use our time to create a dynamic weather system, which effectively creates a much more dramatic palette from which to work with. To show you where we're coming from, have a look at this screenshot crop sheet. This is something we use internally to compare our environments, lighting, and weather effects... but it's certainly useful for demonstrating the breadth of the game here!

We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will.

Each next-gen format has its own merits. We should know, as we're currently developing games for all of them in one form or another. It's not a case of one system having less of this, and the other having more of that. As developers we are given a fixed platform, and that's what we work with. At the end of the day we're games developers, and we try to create the best we can irrespective of platform. We hope you end up agreeing with our design decisions when you see the game for yourself.

Comments? Guess we'll just have to check how much space is used when it's released next month.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Disc Oh?
Wrong end of stick been grasped?

As I'm sure you've seen, some of the comments made on our forum have been blown out of all proportion. This has been reported on certain web sites. It seems that a number of fanboys have jumped on the topic... sigh. So it's time we cleared this one up...

When we started designing PGR4 our primary goals were to create a great and unique experience over and above PGR3, to push the hardware as far as we could, and obviously to ensure that we give great value for money. DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.

The previous game, PGR3, had five environments. That's how much we could create given our time and resources for that game. With the longer development cycle we've had for PGR4, as well as the advantage of having final hardware, we wanted to create a far bigger and better game by this time including 10 environments, as well as a whole bunch of new gameplay features.

Rather than having two "fixed" times of day, this time around we decided to use our time to create a dynamic weather system, which effectively creates a much more dramatic palette from which to work with. To show you where we're coming from, have a look at this screenshot crop sheet. This is something we use internally to compare our environments, lighting, and weather effects... but it's certainly useful for demonstrating the breadth of the game here!

We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will.

Each next-gen format has its own merits. We should know, as we're currently developing games for all of them in one form or another. It's not a case of one system having less of this, and the other having more of that. As developers we are given a fixed platform, and that's what we work with. At the end of the day we're games developers, and we try to create the best we can irrespective of platform. We hope you end up agreeing with our design decisions when you see the game for yourself.

Pripyat

Looks like Microsoft stepped in! Ha!

So Bizarre creations has basically just owned this whole forum. LOL.sonicare

It appears so. Also, I love how all the bash topics were quickly filling up with silly statements yesterday; however, a valid and factual topic gets very little posts. I guess thats life in SW. :)

Looks like Microsoft stepped in! Ha!

sainraja

They're currently making games for the xbox 360, ps3 and PC. Nice try though. >_>

lol microsoft just stepped in

bbbbbut we dont know whats wrong.... ?

someone just got fired

lol microsoft just stepped in

bbbbbut we dont know whats wrong.... ?

someone just got fired

legalize3

So when presented with facts, the best fanboys can do is scream conspiracy theories? Like GS is teh bias, or MS pays everyone to say nice things. :lol: Get a grip.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So Bizarre creations has basically just owned this whole forum. LOL.dhjohns

It appears so. Also, I love how all the bash topics were quickly filling up with silly statements yesterday; however, a valid and factual topic gets very little posts. I guess thats life in SW. :)

lol microsoft just stepped in

bbbbbut we dont know whats wrong.... ?

someone just got fired

legalize3

they're making a ps3 game...:|

lol microsoft just stepped in

bbbbbut we dont know whats wrong.... ?

someone just got fired

legalize3

Mircosoft cant step in, they don't own Bizarre. Nice try on the negative spin though.

Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.Ellipson

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

[QUOTE="sainraja"]

Looks like Microsoft stepped in! Ha!

Ninja-Vox

They're currently making games for the xbox 360, ps3 and PC. Nice try though. >_>

What game are they making for the PC?

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.legalize3

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

[QUOTE="sainraja"]

Looks like Microsoft stepped in! Ha!

Ninja-Vox

They're currently making games for the xbox 360, ps3 and PC. Nice try though. >_>

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.manningbowl135

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

So why aren't they putting in day and night tracks ?All he did was say we added weather and umm other features and we didn't cut it from the game....i.e. we knew it wouldn't fit so we never created it.Glad I could clear up the Damage Control for you guys!;)

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.legalize3

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

Oh dear god.....

If it's an anti-PS3 rumour then it's not true until the dev/Sony say so yet when an anti-360 rumour crops up it doesn't matter if the dev quashes it?

Fanboys.... they never learn

Dubvisions would have trouble responding to this, but he most likely will stay clear of this topic. Has too many facts for his taste.dhjohns

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.covhunter

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

Oh dear god.....

If it's an anti-PS3 rumour then it's not true until the dev/Sony say so yet when an anti-360 rumour crops up it doesn't matter if the dev quashes it?

Fanboys.... they never learn

this aint a rumour it came straight out of a bizarre dev mouth..... i mean ex devnow

Comments? Guess we'll just have to check how much space is used when it's released next month.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Disc Oh?
Wrong end of stick been grasped?

As I'm sure you've seen, some of the comments made on our forum have been blown out of all proportion. This has been reported on certain web sites. It seems that a number of fanboys have jumped on the topic... sigh. So it's time we cleared this one up...

When we started designing PGR4 our primary goals were to create a great and unique experience over and above PGR3, to push the hardware as far as we could, and obviously to ensure that we give great value for money. DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.

The previous game, PGR3, had five environments. That's how much we could create given our time and resources for that game. With the longer development cycle we've had for PGR4, as well as the advantage of having final hardware, we wanted to create a far bigger and better game by this time including 10 environments, as well as a whole bunch of new gameplay features.

Rather than having two "fixed" times of day, this time around we decided to use our time to create a dynamic weather system, which effectively creates a much more dramatic palette from which to work with. To show you where we're coming from, have a look at this screenshot crop sheet. This is something we use internally to compare our environments, lighting, and weather effects... but it's certainly useful for demonstrating the breadth of the game here!

We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will.

Each next-gen format has its own merits. We should know, as we're currently developing games for all of them in one form or another. It's not a case of one system having less of this, and the other having more of that. As developers we are given a fixed platform, and that's what we work with. At the end of the day we're games developers, and we try to create the best we can irrespective of platform. We hope you end up agreeing with our design decisions when you see the game for yourself.

Pripyat

Well, I'm going to respond the same way lems respond to this kind of thing.

DURR HE'S ON MS' PAYROLL OF COURSE HE SAYS THAT :roll:

[QUOTE="covhunter"][QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.legalize3

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

Oh dear god.....

If it's an anti-PS3 rumour then it's not true until the dev/Sony say so yet when an anti-360 rumour crops up it doesn't matter if the dev quashes it?

Fanboys.... they never learn

this aint a rumour it came straight out of a bizarre dev mouth..... i mean ex devnow

Who's been sacked then? Names? Links? Nothing, I smell the kind of paranoia that quickly develops into wearing tin hats while proclaiming that "they" are watching....

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Comments? Guess we'll just have to check how much space is used when it's released next month.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Disc Oh?
Wrong end of stick been grasped?

As I'm sure you've seen, some of the comments made on our forum have been blown out of all proportion. This has been reported on certain web sites. It seems that a number of fanboys have jumped on the topic... sigh. So it's time we cleared this one up...

When we started designing PGR4 our primary goals were to create a great and unique experience over and above PGR3, to push the hardware as far as we could, and obviously to ensure that we give great value for money. DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.

The previous game, PGR3, had five environments. That's how much we could create given our time and resources for that game. With the longer development cycle we've had for PGR4, as well as the advantage of having final hardware, we wanted to create a far bigger and better game by this time including 10 environments, as well as a whole bunch of new gameplay features.

Rather than having two "fixed" times of day, this time around we decided to use our time to create a dynamic weather system, which effectively creates a much more dramatic palette from which to work with. To show you where we're coming from, have a look at this screenshot crop sheet. This is something we use internally to compare our environments, lighting, and weather effects... but it's certainly useful for demonstrating the breadth of the game here!

We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will.

Each next-gen format has its own merits. We should know, as we're currently developing games for all of them in one form or another. It's not a case of one system having less of this, and the other having more of that. As developers we are given a fixed platform, and that's what we work with. At the end of the day we're games developers, and we try to create the best we can irrespective of platform. We hope you end up agreeing with our design decisions when you see the game for yourself.

D_Znuhtz

Well, I'm going to respond the same way lems respond to this kind of thing.

DURR HE'S ON MS' PAYROLL OF COURSE HE SAYS THAT :roll:

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.legalize3

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

So this is your logic? Sort of like he who smelt it dealt it? I got you. There are so many things wrong with that post. BTW, who is "lie again"? Your sentence structure is so bad I can't keep up, but since you have only one person not being truthful, but doing it "again", I'm confused. :?

Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
lordxymor

Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
lordxymor

I don't think "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games" is so hard to understand.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"]Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
Pripyat

I don't think "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games" is so hard to understand.

For some people it is.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"]Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
ragrdoll21

Hmm, I read it in english, and from my interpretation of the english language, it meant "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys." Sure he may be saying that but it is what was written. Please inform me however, the way that you chose to read this response.

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

[QUOTE="lordxymor"]Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
dhjohns

I don't think "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games" is so hard to understand.

For some people it is.

lol microsoft just stepped in

bbbbbut we dont know whats wrong.... ?

someone just got fired

legalize3

How about you dispute the facts with evidence instead of your own one sided opinion for a change.

No features were dropped huh ??

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD."

They had diffrent times of day for all cities/tracks but now they have this:

"Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy."

No full-on day cycles then, but some lighting tints to help set the mood.

Seems like not all tracks/city's will have this feature and this is damage control.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.legalize3

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

Proof, link, evidence? Come on man I need something more then your opinion.

ouch.

the cows must really be confused right about now...:lol:

Man, fanboys are avoiding this thread like the plague. Glad to see Bizarre clearing the air.

Of course they didn't cut content to fit. Why would they create more content than the disc size. They design game from the start with 9GB limit in mind, they don't start developing stuff to cut it off later.
lordxymor

That is the most pathetic statement I've ever read. Devs start a game with 9GB in mind? Yeah I'm sure that you obvioulsy never. Do you realize how many things never end up on the final versions of games? I mean you can't just calculate things like that. Devs don't have a tool that says your idea = 9GB of free space. Time is the biggest factor of things being subtracted from a game not disc space.

I mean Hugo was supposed to be in Street Fighter III but they had to wait until 2nd Impact: Giant Attack to add him. Some of his sprites are in the debug mode as well as his stage in even in the first game.

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Good to see some facts getting released. Maybe now the fanboy circus about it will stop.Blackbond

how do we know these are facts ?

because the other bizarre i mean the ex bizarre dev said something else

who to believe ?

i say the first who was honest and the second not because hes just trying to clean up the mess and lie again...

Provide some facts instead of speculations. Even conspiracy theories have some facts to say why it may have happend that way.

its just a PR nightmare just like the ps3 pricecut...

someone just couldnt shut up and teh other dev needs to try to give it another spin and act like there is nothing going on..

no bizarre not me you wont catch me

Proof, link, evidence? Come on man I need something more then your opinion.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14802&p=#p255585

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