[QUOTE="MJPK"]What about players who are biased to the game since they still play and pay for it? Look at his sig, he's probably a fanboy.am I the only one that finds this thread really funny?
It seems to be full of ex players that are angry at blizzard for "stealing" there time and money or for changing the game(for the better imo) and people who have never played a mmo or WoW and thinks that the game is evil just because there is people that get addicted to it when it's there fault for not having any self control.
/rant
Lethalhazard
Blizzard is now selling mounts from their online store...
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am I the only one that finds this thread really funny?
It seems to be full of ex players that are angry at blizzard for "stealing" there time and money or for changing the game(for the better imo) and people who have never played a mmo or WoW and thinks that the game is evil just because there is people that get addicted to it when it's there fault for not having any self control.
/rant
MJPK
I didn't get the feeling that it was a bunch of angry ex players. I got more of the feeling that it was a bunch of current and ex players who are bummed out that blizzard is making decisions that suck the fun out of the game for a lot of them. Since when is it a bad thing to actually wish a dev would cater to the fanbase that gave it its start?
[QUOTE="MJPK"]What about players who are biased to the game since they still play and pay for it?am I the only one that finds this thread really funny?
It seems to be full of ex players that are angry at blizzard for "stealing" there time and money or for changing the game(for the better imo) and people who have never played a mmo or WoW and thinks that the game is evil just because there is people that get addicted to it when it's there fault for not having any self control.
/rant
Lethalhazard
I might be alittle biased towards the game but people are overacting over this, it's only a mount they are not forcing u to buy it, u don't need it at all unlike map packs for MP games.
I don't agree with blizzard doing this but it doesn't change the game at all.If they start sell high level gear or sell levels then I would probably stop playing.
What about players who are biased to the game since they still play and pay for it?[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="MJPK"]
am I the only one that finds this thread really funny?
It seems to be full of ex players that are angry at blizzard for "stealing" there time and money or for changing the game(for the better imo) and people who have never played a mmo or WoW and thinks that the game is evil just because there is people that get addicted to it when it's there fault for not having any self control.
/rant
MJPK
I might be alittle biased towards the game but people are overacting over this, it's only a mount they are not forcing u to buy it, u don't need it at all unlike map packs for MP games.
I don't agree with blizzard doing this but it doesn't change the game at all.If they start sell high level gear or sell levels then I would probably stop playing.
You need to read the thread. I do not want to start the debate a whole time but I'll repeat this one thing; it's not the price or the existence but the principle. People payed for Xbox Live on the Xbox and oh looky, the fee stayed. People didn't pay the fee for Window's live and it went away. Likewise if people pay for they'll likely do more of it and progressively get worst.[QUOTE="MJPK"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] What about players who are biased to the game since they still play and pay for it? Nerkcon
I might be alittle biased towards the game but people are overacting over this, it's only a mount they are not forcing u to buy it, u don't need it at all unlike map packs for MP games.
I don't agree with blizzard doing this but it doesn't change the game at all.If they start sell high level gear or sell levels then I would probably stop playing.
You need to read the thread. I do not want to start the debate a whole time but I'll repeat this one thing; it's not the price or the existence but the principle. People payed for Xbox Live on the Xbox and oh looky, the fee stayed. People didn't pay the fee for Window's live and it went away. Likewise if people pay for they'll likely do more of it and progressively get worst.I will admit that I am worried that they might start selling thing that will give the player an advange in the game and the day that happens I'll quit WoW.I really hope that doesn't happen but u never know.
You need to read the thread. I do not want to start the debate a whole time but I'll repeat this one thing; it's not the price or the existence but the principle. People payed for Xbox Live on the Xbox and oh looky, the fee stayed. People didn't pay the fee for Window's live and it went away. Likewise if people pay for they'll likely do more of it and progressively get worst.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="MJPK"]
I might be alittle biased towards the game but people are overacting over this, it's only a mount they are not forcing u to buy it, u don't need it at all unlike map packs for MP games.
I don't agree with blizzard doing this but it doesn't change the game at all.If they start sell high level gear or sell levels then I would probably stop playing.
MJPK
I will admit that I am worried that they might start selling thing that will give the player an advange in the game and the day that happens I'll quit WoW.I really hope that doesn't happen but u never know.
And sadly, after all of this I still would play WoW. I'm not because my GPU fried and the only game I can play with my crap PC is CSS on the lowest settings and not very well at that. And there are plenty of areas in the game that take a lot of time and effort. The problem is Blizzard is trying to please everyone at once: small group PVP, large group PVP, soloers, casual raiders, and hardcore raiders. With this deal they're just trying to please the casual raiders who don't have the time or the willpower to beat the current latest boss in the hardest version of the dungeon and get his awesome mount. When you like a game enough you'll most likely play it no matter how much it milks you. :([QUOTE="MJPK"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] You need to read the thread. I do not want to start the debate a whole time but I'll repeat this one thing; it's not the price or the existence but the principle. People payed for Xbox Live on the Xbox and oh looky, the fee stayed. People didn't pay the fee for Window's live and it went away. Likewise if people pay for they'll likely do more of it and progressively get worst.Nerkcon
I will admit that I am worried that they might start selling thing that will give the player an advange in the game and the day that happens I'll quit WoW.I really hope that doesn't happen but u never know.
And sadly, after all of this I still would play WoW. I'm not because my GPU fried and the only game I can play with my crap PC is CSS on the lowest settings and not very well at that. And there are plenty of areas in the game that take a lot of time and effort. The problem is Blizzard is trying to please everyone at once: small group PVP, large group PVP, soloers, casual raiders, and hardcore raiders. With this deal they're just trying to please the casual raiders who don't have the time or the willpower to beat the current latest boss in the hardest version of the dungeon and get his awesome mount. When you like a game enough you'll most likely play it no matter how much it milks you. :( I stopped playing because it stopped being fun for me. The monetary investment was not worth the joy i was getting from playing. This was a long time ago, and as much as I miss my old druid, I would never come back to WoW, because the reasons I left have not changed in today's current gameplay.
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="MJPK"]And sadly, after all of this I still would play WoW. I'm not because my GPU fried and the only game I can play with my crap PC is CSS on the lowest settings and not very well at that. And there are plenty of areas in the game that take a lot of time and effort. The problem is Blizzard is trying to please everyone at once: small group PVP, large group PVP, soloers, casual raiders, and hardcore raiders. With this deal they're just trying to please the casual raiders who don't have the time or the willpower to beat the current latest boss in the hardest version of the dungeon and get his awesome mount. When you like a game enough you'll most likely play it no matter how much it milks you. :( I stopped playing because it stopped being fun for me. The monetary investment was not worth the joy i was getting from playing. This was a long time ago, and as much as I miss my old druid, I would never come back to WoW, because the reasons I left have not changed in today's current gameplay. I quit playing a month ago because I got tired of how awful the systems in the game were designed. By this, I mean how abilities work in PvP and PvE, etc... The game was just way too imbalanced and the PvP was incredibly rage inducing. Plus it just feels like its out-dated. It's old. I'm not surprised these micro-transaction schemes are popping up like nuts for WoW -- the population has stagnated after all.I will admit that I am worried that they might start selling thing that will give the player an advange in the game and the day that happens I'll quit WoW.I really hope that doesn't happen but u never know.
Greyfeld
It used to be once upon a time that the best players had the best stuff. Now it's becoming the richest players have the best stuff.myke2010
Even in Vanilla, the rarest mount in-game was probably Baron Rivendare's Deathcharger, which still drops from a level 60 5-man dungeon. Not a raid; a dungeon. And it's a random drop chance. In BC, Blizzard started adding droppable mounts from raids, like in ZG/TK/Kara, but a large amount of players still had these mounts, not just "the best of the best", because they were from low to middle difficulty raids in BC. And now, in WOTLK, pretty much only the Lich King on 25 Heroic mode, the final boss of the game, and what many guilds are calling the hardest boss in WoW's history, drops a mount. So, as it turns out, you'll really see only "the best of the best" players with this mount. Ironic that the expansion which so many QQers cite as "the casualization of WoW" is actually rewarding the "best" players like this as opposed to the other expansions.
Also: On the item shop right now, Blizzard is just selling cosmetic items, which are pets and mounts. All mounts, provided they're the same speed, have the same function, and the payable ones are no different. It's just that you'll look cooler. It doesn't change gameplay. On a lot of MMOs with item shops, you see weapons that you can buy, or armor. Blizzard isn't doing that and I highly doubt they ever will. So you have nothing to complain about.
I stopped playing because it stopped being fun for me. The monetary investment was not worth the joy i was getting from playing. This was a long time ago, and as much as I miss my old druid, I would never come back to WoW, because the reasons I left have not changed in today's current gameplay. I quit playing a month ago because I got tired of how awful the systems in the game were designed. By this, I mean how abilities work in PvP and PvE, etc... The game was just way too imbalanced and the PvP was incredibly rage inducing. Plus it just feels like its out-dated. It's old. I'm not surprised these micro-transaction schemes are popping up like nuts for WoW -- the population has stagnated after all. What's so imbalanced? There's no "best" class in PvP. And in PvE, "best" class for tanking/DPS/healing is entirely useless (even if one actually exists - player skill matters more), because you're not competing with each other. I'm not saying you're a terrible player, but I hear the usual banter on MMOC/WoW forums from baddies crying over how "x" class beat them, without any knowledge of that class and what they're actually capable and incapable of. The bottom line is that in competitive play in any MMO, there are counters to everything, but I think that now, nearly every class/spec has some way to deal with their weaknesses and defeat a class known for being able to kill them easily.[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] And sadly, after all of this I still would play WoW. I'm not because my GPU fried and the only game I can play with my crap PC is CSS on the lowest settings and not very well at that. And there are plenty of areas in the game that take a lot of time and effort. The problem is Blizzard is trying to please everyone at once: small group PVP, large group PVP, soloers, casual raiders, and hardcore raiders. With this deal they're just trying to please the casual raiders who don't have the time or the willpower to beat the current latest boss in the hardest version of the dungeon and get his awesome mount. When you like a game enough you'll most likely play it no matter how much it milks you. :(Lethalhazard
New Kotaku article.
LINK
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]I quit playing a month ago because I got tired of how awful the systems in the game were designed. By this, I mean how abilities work in PvP and PvE, etc... The game was just way too imbalanced and the PvP was incredibly rage inducing. Plus it just feels like its out-dated. It's old. I'm not surprised these micro-transaction schemes are popping up like nuts for WoW -- the population has stagnated after all.[QUOTE="Greyfeld"] I stopped playing because it stopped being fun for me. The monetary investment was not worth the joy i was getting from playing. This was a long time ago, and as much as I miss my old druid, I would never come back to WoW, because the reasons I left have not changed in today's current gameplay.princeofshapeir
What's so imbalanced? There's no "best" ****in PvP. And in PvE, "best" ****for tanking/DPS/healing is entirely useless (even if one actually exists - player skill matters more), because you're not competing with each other. I'm not saying you're a terrible player, but I hear the usual banter on MMOC/WoW forums from baddies crying over how "x" ****beat them, without any knowledge of that ****and what they're actually capable and incapable of. The bottom line is that in competitive play in any MMO, there are counters to everything, but I think that now, nearly every ****spec has some way to deal with their weaknesses and defeat a ****known for being able to kill them easily.
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.'
[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Right, but this is pretty much the ultimatum. Selling an epic flying mount on a blizzard store for 25$ (that has the same model as the Arthas mount drop). It's just stooping to a whole new level. I wasn't even sure if it was possible to stoop this low after all that.Lethalhazard
Your comparison is bad because the mount does not affect your gameplay experience and there is an alternative way to get a similar one without paying. Also micro transactions is nothing new in MMOs so I don't see how this comes as a shock to you. All of this stuff is aesthetic...
It's a carbon copy of what is possibly the hardest mount to get in the game right now. It absolutely affects gameplay -- one of the main reasons to keep playing is to achieve rare items nobody else has. Not to mention, this is Arthas' steed we are talking about! It's a carbon copy of it! It's wrong on so many levels IMO.Umm how is this mount affecting the rarity of the arthas mount exactly?
New Kotaku article.
LINK
[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] I quit playing a month ago because I got tired of how awful the systems in the game were designed. By this, I mean how abilities work in PvP and PvE, etc... The game was just way too imbalanced and the PvP was incredibly rage inducing. Plus it just feels like its out-dated. It's old. I'm not surprised these micro-transaction schemes are popping up like nuts for WoW -- the population has stagnated after all.
Lethalhazard
What's so imbalanced? There's no "best" ****in PvP. And in PvE, "best" ****for tanking/DPS/healing is entirely useless (even if one actually exists - player skill matters more), because you're not competing with each other. I'm not saying you're a terrible player, but I hear the usual banter on MMOC/WoW forums from baddies crying over how "x" ****beat them, without any knowledge of that ****and what they're actually capable and incapable of. The bottom line is that in competitive play in any MMO, there are counters to everything, but I think that now, nearly every ****spec has some way to deal with their weaknesses and defeat a ****known for being able to kill them easily.
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.'
Sounds like you want a FPS, because the only way a MMO is going to be close to be balanced is if all the ****are exactly the same thing.
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]It's on the same level as the 15$ DLC that Modern Warfare 2 presented. Sure, it's optionable -- it's still milking. Even though, that at least provided content whereas this 25$ mount provides a reskinned mount that's already in the game available only to hardcore raiders. Not that I play WoW, it's just annoying to see Blizzard do this. I guess they're all for the money now. Its not milking if its optional. If you have to buy it to play the game or get the full experience then its milking.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Lethalhazard
Your $15 per month makes these flying mounts available to you...
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/flying.html
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/flying-drakes.html
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/flying-proto-drakes.html
I don't understand why people who don't play even care.
New Kotaku article.
LINK
[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] I quit playing a month ago because I got tired of how awful the systems in the game were designed. By this, I mean how abilities work in PvP and PvE, etc... The game was just way too imbalanced and the PvP was incredibly rage inducing. Plus it just feels like its out-dated. It's old. I'm not surprised these micro-transaction schemes are popping up like nuts for WoW -- the population has stagnated after all.
Lethalhazard
What's so imbalanced? There's no "best" ****in PvP. And in PvE, "best" ****for tanking/DPS/healing is entirely useless (even if one actually exists - player skill matters more), because you're not competing with each other. I'm not saying you're a terrible player, but I hear the usual banter on MMOC/WoW forums from baddies crying over how "x" ****beat them, without any knowledge of that ****and what they're actually capable and incapable of. The bottom line is that in competitive play in any MMO, there are counters to everything, but I think that now, nearly every ****spec has some way to deal with their weaknesses and defeat a ****known for being able to kill them easily.
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.' You have like no logical sense in anything you have said.
this is just typical.... its just like my local supermarket!!!!!
just ripping people of all the time.
can you believe they actually sell plums!!! i know its CRAZY all there doing its milking people that want to buy plums and taking away the fun and challenge of growing your own plums. all these suckers spending money on what should be free. i can grow my own plums for free and enjoy the satisfaction and bragging rights of my own juicy plums.
Plums post is post of the day.this is just typical.... its just like my local supermarket!!!!!
just ripping people of all the time.
can you believe they actually sell plums!!! i know its CRAZY all there doing its milking people that want to buy plums and taking away the fun and challenge of growing your own plums. all these suckers spending money on what should be free. i can grow my own plums for free and enjoy the satisfaction and bragging rights of my own juicy plums.
Vinegar_Strokes
[QUOTE="MJPK"]What about players who are biased to the game since they still play and pay for it? Exactly, I love how I quit a year ago, and only now my addicted friends have dropped it, complaining about the very things that I said a year ago and got heavily abused and argued with for saying. Nothing gives addiction like MMOs in the gaming world, the level of fanboyism to these games goes beyond anything on System Wars. I love the "Why are you still playing? then? nobodies forcing you" .... what I cant complain about a product thats heavily change its path since release?am I the only one that finds this thread really funny?
It seems to be full of ex players that are angry at blizzard for "stealing" there time and money or for changing the game(for the better imo) and people who have never played a mmo or WoW and thinks that the game is evil just because there is people that get addicted to it when it's there fault for not having any self control.
/rant
Lethalhazard
i also think its funny how when people get addicted to WoW they blame WoW and not the persons personality. its like a fatty blaming hamburgers for tasty
Half my guild bought one, and someone said there was over 200,000 people in the queu. As long as they never offer anything with stats or that gives players any real edge in the game its fine, just a bunch of cool looking stuff. Although you can imagine there stockholders are gonna scream "DO MORE OF THAT NOW!!!"
They dont blame WoW, they blame MMOs. WoW just has the Psychology down better than most MMOs. The need for Gambeling and the Need to be rewarded, stimulating those sections of your brain. Most other games do this but it much smaller doses, second worst to the MMO genre is MW2 for example.... with its 100s of titles, its pot luck kill streaks ect. They made WoW easy, dumbed it down to hell n back, and made a game that consistantly pats you on the back, or gies you a chance at winning something. its a very dangerouse and effective formular. adding purchasable items into it makes it even more so.i also think its funny how when people get addicted to WoW they blame WoW and not the persons personality. its like a fatty blaming hamburgers for tasty
Vinegar_Strokes
Competitive games can't allow randomnessLethalhazardOf course they can, and should. They just shouldn't put a player in a position where their entire win or loss comes down to random chance. For example: kicking a field goal in football. Quite often, a game comes down to those 3 points, and the random wind really doesn't care if you need that kick or not. On the other hand, if you look at a game afterwards, there are almost always missed opportunities that could have put you in the lead.
God forbid anyone buys this rip-off. That money is better invested on something else.
Depending on the price, I don't care what they sell.
I don't care if they start selling pre-made level 80's (I like learning my characters through leveling, and like seeing the older areas occassionally), I don't care if they sell gear (if they sold it too cheap it would bother me, since I might be tempted to buy it and make aspects of the game less worthwhile), I don't care if they sell pets, I don't care if they sell mounts.
It doesn't effect me because Blizzard has made a crapload of content available in the game for me to work toward. That's what I care about, what is available to me for my $15, and is THAT content worth my money. It is, so I'm happy. If other people feel the need to buy outside content, that's their business.
Blizzard is doing this for them, they're are not doing anything for me with this, but they aren't taking anything from me either. I don't presume my $15 means I own Blizzard and everything they make henceforth and forever. They can make and sell whatever they want. If I want it I'll buy it, If I don't I won't.
I do consider the MW 2 Stimulus package milking. Map Packs are almost necessary expansions to shooters, especially as time goes along, since people can't play together if they don't have the same maps. Raising the cost of map packs is therefore annoying, especially since other features, which used to be common in shooters like level editors, are not present in MW 2. I feel pressured to pay more to continue enjoying the game at the same level, that to me = milking.
Now if Blizzard chose to sell Cataclysm for $100 for a regular edition, that would be milking.
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]Competitive games can't allow randomnesslowe0Of course they can, and should. They just shouldn't put a player in a position where their entire win or loss comes down to random chance. For example: kicking a field goal in football. Quite often, a game comes down to those 3 points, and the random wind really doesn't care if you need that kick or not. On the other hand, if you look at a game afterwards, there are almost always missed opportunities that could have put you in the lead. I kinda of agree with this, but; let the game itself do the randomness. In an action game you should not have a random number generator decide if you hit or miss, let the player's skill and the game's physics decide if it's a hit or miss. The only way I would support an RNG if it's for some sort of last resort 'OH CRAP!' ability that can either save you dying or put you in a worst position. But I personally wouldn't even allow that if I ever made an eSport game.
I don't really consider that milking. You don't have to buy a mount from their store, that's just for those who don't want to put the time into the game to get one otherwise. Most of these microtransactions don't improve the game, they just give you ingame perks that otherwise you'd have to unlock.
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]
New Kotaku article.
LINK
[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]
What's so imbalanced? There's no "best" ****in PvP. And in PvE, "best" ****for tanking/DPS/healing is entirely useless (even if one actually exists - player skill matters more), because you're not competing with each other. I'm not saying you're a terrible player, but I hear the usual banter on MMOC/WoW forums from baddies crying over how "x" ****beat them, without any knowledge of that ****and what they're actually capable and incapable of. The bottom line is that in competitive play in any MMO, there are counters to everything, but I think that now, nearly every ****spec has some way to deal with their weaknesses and defeat a ****known for being able to kill them easily. Human-after-all
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.' You have like no logical sense in anything you have said. ............. How does that not make logical sense? A game with randomness can't be competitive when put on that level. Imagine if Starcraft or Counter-Strike had things like crititcal hits and around five different random dodging mechanics.
Casual scrub! :evil: When I make my awesome MMORPG you won't be allowed to play it! J/K :P But seriously, you wouldn't want to play it anyway if you thought everything on that list were improvements.NerkconI don't see what's so bad about being able to change servers if you want to, play with friends on other servers, and getting abilities as a bonus for buying something.
A major thing I hear about WoW is how awesome it is once you're level 60+ and how all the great content is finally available to you. That's awesome for the level 60 player but being on the outside looking in it seems like the game is crap and you can't do anything fun until you've spent hours upon hours grinding up to level 60. Everything in what I quoted sounds like it's possible for someone new to the game to have as much fun as someone who's been there for a while. Whether than spend like $18 for months grinding through lackluster content it sounds like you can spend that same amount upfront and start having access to the good stuff.
You have like no logical sense in anything you have said. ............. How does that not make logical sense? A game with randomness can't be competitive when put on that level. Imagine if Starcraft or Counter-Strike had things like crititcal hits and around five different random dodging mechanics. Wow you don't know like anything about CS let alone WoW, both of which are played competitively. Don't tell me randomness = non competitive and CS is random as hell when you get some scrub player who gets random headshots by absolute miracles or reg.[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.'Lethalhazard
............. How does that not make logical sense? A game with randomness can't be competitive when put on that level. Imagine if Starcraft or Counter-Strike had things like crititcal hits and around five different random dodging mechanics. Wow you don't know like anything about CS let alone WoW, both of which are played competitively. Don't tell me randomness = non competitive and CS is random as hell when you get some scrub player who gets random headshots by absolute miracles or reg. WoW isn't competitive. Not nearly as much as those other games. The only reason it is considered an "e-Sport" is because Blizzard funds tournaments for it. CS, WC3, and SC tournaments aren't all funded by Blizzard and Hell; Starcraft is a sport in South Korea. WoW will never be as competitive as those games because it isn't entirely skill based but rather composition and RNG based. I can't tell you how many times I've won and lost arena games in WoW due to 'lucky' RNG. You probably haven't played WoW at a 'competitive' level, i.e. TBC past 2200. Game was a joke then (Druid teams dominating because of imbalances) and it still is now, on a competitive level. There's a reason CS and SC players tend to mock WoW pros.[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]
[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] You have like no logical sense in anything you have said.
Human-after-all
In a competitive game, everything you do should be a factor in the outcome of your win or loss, not some random behind-the-scenes dice rolls.
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168751
If you want to see what MLG players and spectators think about it.
Played Wow for about 3 years had a blast but yeah I won't be playing one of these ever again. That said do any of you people defending this ridiculous practice not realize that an extra 10% speed on a pvp server can mean the difference between life and death. Blizzard has essentially opened the floodgates for any griefer out there just spend 25$ and you too can gank anyone you feel like running down. So to avoid getting ganked every other minute you would be forced to buy this mount. I don't really care since I would never go back anyway, but after this bit of news even if by some miracle I actually wanted to go back I certainly never would now. It's a very bad sign when something like this occurs in my opinion. It would be like Activision charging you 25$ for an extra perk slot and an extra perk that gave you an extra 10% speed over everyone that didn't buy it. You are paying for a tactical advantage and that is about the worst case scenario for a competitive multiplayer game.
First of all, when most 'hardcore' players cry about these changes are being made, they aren't even the most hardcore players in WoW's lifetime.
Anyone who didn't play through AQ40 and Old Naxx never saw what hardcore really was. Period. Since then, Blizzard has been changing the game to become more casual friendly.
As someone who has raided the heck out of the original; whom was amongst the guilds who had to actually learn how to 'discover' how to beat the bosses ( versus looking on youtube to see how bosses were taken out on test servers and the like )... I wholeheartidely welcome these changes.
No one except a extremely small percentage of players was ever able to fully experience the game. You had to dedicate your life to your guild in order to have any chance of doing ok. This is frankly moronic.
Frankly, sucks for the 5% who want to dedicate 40/hours a week on a game. I rather be able to PUG an instance and at least have some attempt of doing well... versus having to join some lame guild and selling my soul to them, just to play a darn game.
Thank you Blizzard.
Wrong. You only get the extra speed boost if you *already* earned the 310% mount via being a PvE gladiator or whatever.Played Wow for about 3 years had a blast but yeah I won't be playing one of these ever again. That said do any of you people defending this ridiculous practice not realize that an extra 10% speed on a pvp server can mean the difference between life and death. Blizzard has essentially opened the floodgates for any griefer out there just spend 25$ and you too can gank anyone you feel like running down. So to avoid getting ganked every other minute you would be forced to buy this mount. I don't really care since I would never go back anyway, but after this bit of news even if by some miracle I actually wanted to go back I certainly never would now. It's a very bad sign when something like this occurs in my opinion. It would be like Activision charging you 25$ for an extra perk slot and an extra perk that gave you an extra 10% speed over everyone that didn't buy it. You are paying for a tactical advantage and that is about the worst case scenario for a competitive multiplayer game.
nosedive7
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]It's on the same level as the 15$ DLC that Modern Warfare 2 presented. Sure, it's optionable -- it's still milking. Even though, that at least provided content whereas this 25$ mount provides a reskinned mount that's already in the game available only to hardcore raiders. Not that I play WoW, it's just annoying to see Blizzard do this. I guess they're all for the money now. No it is NOT on the same level. You are comparing a reskinned model that serves no other purposes other than looking awesome to a map pack that actually offers new content to the game. They didn't reskin maps for the Stimulus package... you might have an argument if all the maps were from CoD 4 but they aren't.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Lethalhazard
Oh and you are in talks with blizzard about the final pricing of the trilogy are you? Knowing before everyone else?This was not a surprise that blizzard had joined the milking party. Look at Starcraft2 you have to pay total 180$ for complete game 3/3.
aroxx_ab
Please lend me your crystal ball so I can check for myself that the 2nd and 3rd Starcraft 2 games will cost $60. Until then stop writing BS.This was not a surprise that blizzard had joined the milking party. Look at Starcraft2 you have to pay total 180$ for complete game 3/3.
aroxx_ab
[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]Please lend me your crystal ball so I can check for myself that the 2nd and 3rd Starcraft 2 games will cost $60. Until then stop writing BS. I wouldn't call it BS. Look at everything Blizzard has done recently, it seems VERY likely IMHO.This was not a surprise that blizzard had joined the milking party. Look at Starcraft2 you have to pay total 180$ for complete game 3/3.
the_ChEeSe_mAn2
You have like no logical sense in anything you have said. ............. How does that not make logical sense? A game with randomness can't be competitive when put on that level. Imagine if Starcraft or Counter-Strike had things like crititcal hits and around five different random dodging mechanics.[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]
The fact that anything random happens in the game is entirely imbalanced. Even in Starcraft transitioning to Starcraft 2, they removed the 50% miss mechanic on a cliff because it was random. Competitive games can't allow randomness -- and it proliferates in WoW at a massive level. Crits, misses, dodges, parries resists...its insane. The ****balance isn't anywhere near 'good.'Lethalhazard
First of all, there is a way that your attacks aren't dodged, parried, or blocked - attack from behind. And there is this thing in PvP called Resilience, which Blizzard implemented to specifically deal with the critical strike damage from burst-heavy ****s in order to make PvP more balanced. Now in PvP, criticals carry far, far, FAR less weight than they did in Vanilla, where you had Rogues easily two-shotting clothies. What your post proves is that you have no knowledge of PvP in WoW.
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