Bloodborne has some SERIOUS design issues!

All who contest this should read the boldfaced sentences contained here.

Speaking on a broader level, it really boggles my mind that "gamers" here don't understand this. The game isn't going to hold your hand; virtually all actually challenging games in the past have not done this.

I really want to solidify the fact that you don't get a free pass just because you have been playing for a long time as well. I've seen people with more hours and matches than I have in some fighting games who implement strategy and execution with major flaws. Even I still need work on some things.

I know the feeling. Like a child who sees his father with a glass of whiskey. He asks for a swig saying ''I can handle it''. Only to be horrified by what he finds. Games are frustrating as fvck no doubt.

I'm all for "no **** you, get good", but I think there is a middle ground here we can all accept.

Yes given how many echoes you can get, it's easy to keep leveling up, and using left over echoes on your blood vials. However, the punishment for playing poorly should be what it has always been, get stuck, hit that brick wall, need to go farm to give your character that much more help if you need it that bad. The nature of the vials makes it that the punishment for playing poorly is farming a consumeable, it's not a tangible improvement to your character, as much as it forces you to go do something tedious until you can get right back to where you were already at.

It's not hand holding at that point, it's just mitigating pointless tedium. It is among the many reasons the Bonfires were significantly better for the games quality of life than the lamp/nexus system that is in Bloodborne.

@jg4xchamp:

Oh yeah dude. When you get killed and get angry and just want to get those souls back, those 45 seconds can feel like eternity

@jg4xchamp:

So you don't see something wrong with camera.... say against The Iron Golem being so high up you can't see your own character..... whats it asking of the player then.... to ve psychic ?

these are some of the things that has me bashing these kinds of games. its not even hard, its just stupid. hard would be tactical difficulty, but the souls games just make you back-track for basic bullshit like farming and little stupid shit like that. time-wasting bullshit. these games aren't hard they're just dumb.

Lol TC needs to go pick up COD

Keep voting 10 PS4s exclusives you lems , you pathetic hypocrites and pray for games to flop so you start your shit...

Bloodborne didnt flop though and all you have to say is that why it doesnt do the same thing DS do. Go play DS and problem solved , this is new IP .. What cant you understand Einsteins !!? But but , its a 10 !! Right ? Hypocrites , go play with your X1 and let this for people that enjoying it. Asking for a new IP to be 100% a DS like , aka DS 2.5 ? , is a moronic logic to say the least. Move on , it is what it is , 93 Metacritic out of 74 reviews with ZERO mixed/negative reviews. You dont like it , as i said before , go play DS !! Its so simple , why you making a fuss about it ? Because you are lems thats why !

Hypocrites lol ... You trying now to play the legit guys or what ? GTFO both of you pathetic lems . more PS4 games coming for you to hype them as 10 and pray to flop , dont worry.

Pathetic lem , go vote another PS4 exclusive as a 10 !!! Youll have your chance later !!! All you do since i know you is gently bashing / bashing PS4 and PS4s games. You love nothing , you are an arrogant fanboy , well known X1 fan . We had debates in the past and i know you very well , stop it please. Dont try to play the legit guy here , you are not !

If you like DS more and you think is better go play DS , its out there. Bloodborne is NOT DS and does some things differently. Is that hard to understand that so you have to disagree with a fact ? Do it alone , im done with you. You are a well known lem to give you more attention ! Have better things to do. Say what you want , BB will never be a DS because its a different IP therefore many things in the game are different ! You dont like them , fine , i dont give an F , but to blame the game that is NOT like DS ... Go back to your X1 ! Thats my point , what is so hard to understand ?

Thats our difference you little lem , im not a fanboy , you are the one !! " LOVE THE GAME " to have your ass backed up and talk your shit and when things getting hard you go back to that to win the argument ... while you hyped the game as 10 right ? Legiiiit guy !! Hypocricy at its finnest ! Have a great day sir ! I dont have more time to waste , this is idiotic. A well known lem that loves BB then he is wondering why BB doesnt play exactly like DS since its a clone .... Ok sir , whatever !! Rofl x10

Thats really the best you can do?

I can't speak for Bloodborne, but in Demon's Souls, the game does get super easy without you actually getting any better if you find the right items (basically purple flame shield and crescent falchion) and play the game long enough to get enough strength to wield them. Took me about 1-2 hours to grind for strength, and nothing outside of the Maneater has been a challenge since. The game is so easy it almost feels broken.

God this thread delivers lem tears! I'm starting to think owning an XBone just makes you bad at videogames.

Most games are not that way for me but this one is ( I never played the Dark Souls series before )....I think some of it is cheap. I wanted to love this game and I still haven't given up on it.

Ha! It's like the game is saying, "Here. Contemplate your **** up. Don't like this loading screen? Stop dying."

In all seriousness, the loading times are annoying.

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EDIT: Found this on the web and this is what the screen says to me.

It has a serious design issue... it's not available for the Xbox One. :-|

Well that is interesting, you are switching focus. You said "From Soft doesn't reward you for game time" which is incorrect because grind exist, you are rewarded with improved stats which makes the game easier. Your question is addressing something very different and does not address the point initially made.

If I were you, invest some time in it on and off and eventually you'll get the hang of it. Once you master it, you'll feel like a boss. It's just one of those games that cause your controller to break :/

Doesn't have to be now, or even a month or two in the future. But one day, you'll have put enough time into it where any game in the genre will no longer be this frustraiting. And you will genuinely enjoy them.

You know what would make this game better for me? More save points or checkpoints lol...I just hate doing things over and over. I won't quit just yet though.

Don't worry the game is cheap often enough because of the mechanics. There are invincibility frames for enemies after visceral attacks, the stun lock is atrocious at times, the queuing of attacks is handicapping, the lock on is the most inferior I have encountered in a modern game and enemies while dumb can sometimes easily get you in an inescapable combo.

I agree with your take 100%

You're another on with deep rooted issues. I think SWs needs a permanent psychiatrist just for you cows...seriously.

The name is new but just about everything with this game screams Dark Souls. It plays almost exactly like it with a few differences so you can stop with the "it's a new IP" crap. The game mechanics are essentially the same.

You may continue your meltdown son.

Base on your logic all FPS are the same, all RPGs are the same, any game that shares mechanics with another game is the same. But we all know that isn't true. So don't over simplify the mechanics of the game. Bloodborne, while similar to DS has strong differentiating gameplay elements thus the reason its NOT a DS game.

I'd say his logic is more like saying Call of Duty 4 is the same game as Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.

Really? Based on my logic that the devs that made Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2 and now Bloodborne games don't all play the same? If you didn't know the name of the any of the games or seen them before and you tired them 1 after another you'd say they were either sequels or the same game. The play the same and have the same game mechanics.

No sorry BB doesn't have strong differentiating gameplay mechanics. It's pretty much Dark Souls with a different skin. I like BB but I'm going to pretend it's an entirely different game because it's not. It's just like the Souls games.

Play def, dumb and blind all you like but it being a Souls game makes no difference to me. I'm still going to enjoy playing it.

No need to get all riled up sir. The game is not a DS clone as you are trying to make it out to be. It is just not. You can pretend that its a carbon copy and that you can play them identical to each other but that would be incorrect. No one is stating that the games aren't similar but it is not a clone of DS. Lords of the Fallen is more of clone to DS than BB is to DS.

It's more like a Dark Souls sequel with a few changes ala COD Advance warfare. The combat is essentially the same, the layout of your hud, the way you collect blood instead of souls, the you walk thru a wall of mist prior to a boss battle, the fact you loose what you've collected when die if you don't go right back to the spot you died to pick them up, the health and stamina bar, the way the damage system and leveling systems work. This is all the same in both games with the big difference being graphics and locations. You actually have more options with DS than you do with BB. If you can't see that then you I don't know what to tell you.

Like I've stated, I'll continue to enjoy the game as I did with Dark Souls.

@kingtito: It's a spiritual successor. Much like Dark Souls was to Demons Souls. It's not a sequel...

I didn't actually say it was a sequel. I said it plays like a sequel if anything, instead of some people saying it's nothing like Dark Souls at all. It's very very much like Dark Souls.

Almost 2 weeks later the sate of the pvp is simple. You don't attack and wait for an opportunity to one shot from a gun parry. Not cool.

I stopped playing bloodborne specifically because of the farming. I've never really played a quick dodgy character, always the fat (ds,dks,dks2)tanks. I haven't gotten the dodging down quite right and... even though I'm arcane, the areas I'm in blood vials are a rare drop. I'm constantly either having to run through a level with no vials to kill mobs, warp back, buy 10-20 blood vials with the echos I just got, warp back in fight my way back through enemies, die on a boss... then farm again.

This is a completely invasive mechanic. Estus flasks were perfect because they were designed to be managed for the space between bonfires so you couldn't go nuts chugging them, but they always replenished for your next attempt. Limiting the amount of vials conceivably does the same thing, but having a permanent stash goes too far. It means your not rewarded for taking ANY risk at all. The first time your on a boss and learning the mechanics your better off planning on dieing than using your vials, so when you die you still have a full stock. 3 times in when you get him down to 1/4 health where you think you can beat the boss now you start using the consumables.

Its gone beyond having my focus and forced me into playing extremely defensively and attacking with the safest attack, as safely as possible and only using those consumables for extreme emergencies in the home stretch. I'm not having fun because I'm using tactics that are border line cheesing enemies. Basically I stopped learning how to play the game, get good at dodging, because it wasn't worth it. When I can get bosses/enemies stuck on world objects and just use really long ax to poke them to death the game stops being fun.

@kingtito

You keep missing the fact that I have state many times that the games are similar so pointing out the similarities is particularly useless. In the same way Bioshock IS NOT a System Shock 2 game,Bloodborne IS NOT a Dark Souls game. The games are similar but they are not simply carbon copies as you are trying really hard to argue. They kept all the things that they liked and they change elements that they may not have liked. The game is faster pace,magic is "practically" absent, dodge reliant, more or less shield free;don't know anyone who uses the wooden shield, death does not affect your health, relies heavily on fast pace attacks and movement. Also the mist ONLY exist for bosses. Again, there are similarities but the gameplay experience between the two game is noticeably different and its why some DS fans are not particularly thrilled with its hack and slash direction. To say its DS with new paint is a gross oversimplification.

Is what you said.

More like a sequel =/= a sequel. Basically I'm saying it's not much different than any of the Souls games unlike what some people are saying. Didn't think I'd actually have to spell it out.

Sure as hell is. I bet if we got a few people that never played any of the Souls games and don't know anything about them and had play one at a time they say BB was either Dark Souls or a sequel. That's how close they are to each other. Not sure why you're fighting that fact so much.

No they're not. The game pretty plays the same. You going to tell me I don't see how similar they play/feel? Sorry dude, I'm going by MY experience and MY experience tells me they're pretty close to each other. BB has some improvements but not much has really changed from what I've played so far. Maybe as I progress I'll think differently but as of right now it sure as hell feels and plays just like a Souls game.

@kingtito: It's not "more" like a sequel either. It's a spiritual successor. I understand what you're saying, but calling a sequel, or anything close to it, would imply that there's a connection in the plot.

Well whatever you want to call it, I don't really care. The game play is so close that one could easily mistake it for a Souls game. It's not like I'm saying it without having real world experience and I no reason to lie about it. It's what I see and feel as I'm playing the game.

This is truly sig worthy. Permission to use it?

You just fill in blanks with your own bullshit regardless of what a day one owner and player with other SW members has to say about the game. The best part? we don't have to GTFO!!! You don't make the rules here, hell you don't even read our posts is my guess because your responses ignore the things we say. I was not hoping for a flop of a game I had pre ordered. Its obvious you are like tormentos in that you really live this System War. And you project it onto others. And you throw the term pathetic around? Sad little person you might be.....

Life truly is subjective folks. Proof? He thinks he makes sense.

You really know me? Ok how tall am I? How much do I weigh? Why do you keep going back to me thinking DS is better? Where did I say this? You're so butthurt that many of us can love a game that isn't on my preferred console.

You're not a fanboy? I called you out as a closet cow a while back and here we go. Why is it the only time we post/argue is when you perceive an attack on Sony or PS4? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA because you are in the closet.......but the door is wide open now sweetie!!!

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@cainetao11 said:

@jg4xchamp:

Oh yeah dude. When you get killed and get angry and just want to get those souls back, those 45 seconds can feel like eternity

Ha! It's like the game is saying, "Here. Contemplate your **** up. Don't like this loading screen? Stop dying."

In all seriousness, the loading times are annoying.

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EDIT: Found this on the web and this is what the screen says to me.

LOL you hit the nail on the head!! Nicely put. But the game is great stuff. @chikenfriedrice you really cant get into it? Dude it is really fun and challenging and epic imo.

@kingtito: I agree. I consider it a souls game, and many others do as well. But i can certainly identify the differences between them.

But when Dark Souls came out, people said it was the spiritual successor to Demon's Souls................because of the similarities and using the same formula. So now that is being said here about Bloodborne which has been my point among others here because they are made by the same dev. It is not an insult, or negative. Just a fact I have pointed out. I have used the word clone and didn't realize that the word clone MUST MEAN exactly alike. Strange because when Sunset Overdrive came out cows said it was a Dead Rising 3 clone. Weird how that works, huh?

@cainetao11: Both Dark Souls and Bloodborne are spiritual successors.

Ok, is Sunset Overdrive a Dead Rising 3 clone or reskin as cows said?

That isn't a switch of focus. That's my main point. You don't get better just because you've played for longer. No; if you can't play, you can still get wrecked at any level. It even happened on reddit. Some guy used the dupe cheat to achieve a high level and still couldn't manage the first boss.

What is revealed here is that you didn't understand what I was saying at first.

It's not bad. Some of the best designed games don't even let you continue at a checkpoint for a miss, setting you back as far as possible. The implications of this are that you just need to learn how this game plays differently from demon's and dark. You don't get tank builds, so you have to deal with it.

After all, it is a different game.

Downloaded Scholar of the first Sin. Played it seven hours straight. No looking back to slow and plodding Loadborne. Where playing with and against others takes forever, and everyone looks and plays the same. Tons of weapons, unique builds, tons of unique appearances thanks to Fashion Souls, and I'm in and out of sessions with others at blazing speeds.

Brilliant. Takes a shit down Bloodbornes mouth. Go ring a bell, Bloodborne. You're soulless.

So far I've beaten the first two bosses and have played about two hours after that second boss battle, scouring the areas and fighting things.. I NEVER have to worry about using all of my vials. I always have 20 on me and like 35 in storage.

Are people really using them that quickly, or am I gonna run into this problem later? Cause it seems that every enemy drops a vial. Seriously.

I hated Dark Souls, and I mean hated it. The difficulty was fine, but it just felt very clunky for me, and I don't like playing tank like characters. But this game has me interested for now. So I'm curious. How the hell how people using so many vials? Are you just running into the enemy mobs blindfolded?

Vial blood drop rate is not the same in every area and enemy hit damage can reach absurd levels in certain places or bosses.

Try and defeat the Hunter at the end of Eileen's quest without going through vials. A two-hit, slash+gunshot combo will kill you faster than you can do a double dodge. And even if you dodge the Hunter will do a last nanosecond, lock-on rotation to barely hit you and still shave off half of your health.

The start of the game is very easy in comparison to some of the later areas/bosses. ;)

@cainetao11: Lol I am trying man....it just might not be my type of game. I like Shadow of Mordor / Batman type combat....or DMC type. If that makes me a noob oh well :P. I will give it more time though because I do like certain aspects of the game otherwise I would have thrown it out by now.

Well its funny because I have never been a huge "Souls games have teh bestest combat!!!" guy. The combat is challenging because of the damage enemies do in a single hit and the speed and numbers of enemies at times. But as for FUN combat? Oh yes I prefer Batman Arkham, Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2; MGR. The combat in these games is exciting to master and chain shit together, where as for me the Souls games combat is edge of your seat because of the high chance of death, not because you feel like a martial bad ass.