Blu Ray Critics

A quickquestion to Blu-ray critics if it is not needed for gaming does that mean that 9G is the end all of game size. I mean we went from cartridges to CDs to DVDs and thats it games will never need more than 9G of data?

Seems fishy to me as GTA 4 and PGR 4 were complaining about limitations on disk size. Even at that though why not make the games multi disk?

I guess someone forgot to tell MS we were in next gen.

well the devs need to work harder,

u do know that all of zelda oot fit ona single32mb cartridge

A quickquestion to Blu-ray critics if it is not needed for gaming does that mean that 9G is the end all of game size. I mean we went from cartridges to CDs to DVDs and thats it games will never need more than 9G of data?

Seems fishy to me as GTA 4 and PGR 4 were complaining about limitations on disk size. Even at that though why not make the games multi disk?

I guess someone forgot to tell MS we were in next gen.

Izzy12345

because it makes the 360 looks last gen, and MS doesn't want that. Games are going to require more space, and a different format is needed. How do you think MS would look if all their multiplats came in multi disk containers like the ones you had for PS1? bad, real bad.

well the devs need to work harder,

u do know that all of zelda oot fit ona single32mb cartridge

tmgwarrior72

Yeah, but Nintendo have been paying ever since for their decision to not use CDs for the N64. Will Microsoft suffer the same kind of fate, losing developers to the PS3 and the PC for lack of space?

blu ray for movies is pathetic. You still need two discs for some, and not to mention the boxed sets are still multiple discs. A real next gen media would be able to fit every show of a t.v. series on one disc or w/e.

I'm a critic of the fact I want a gaming machine that plays Uncharted, Ratchet, Heavenly Sword and MGS4 but I have to pay a price way too high for a GAMING console. I don't deny its value for money, but it could be decorated in diamonds and I'm still not paying the price they're asking. The price point is blu-rays fault, so ye I guess I'm a critic of blu ray.Bromz

I respect your opinion, but you say that you would not pay the price for a PS3, yet you admit it is value for money.

Thing is I find that funny because a 360 (350$) + 1yr of live with wireless (170$)comes to what a PS3 is. Problem is that you will have to keep paying for live. If you have financial troubles i.e. do I pay rent or buy a system, then perhaps none are right for you. (not that am saying your poor or anything its just this is why I say the price thing is not a big deal)

blu ray for movies is pathetic. You still need two discs for some, and not to mention the boxed sets are still multiple discs. A real next gen media would be able to fit every show of a t.v. series on one disc or w/e.

skullkrusher13

yea i agree with that, i thought next gen formats were supposed to have SO much space

[QUOTE="tmgwarrior72"]

well the devs need to work harder,

u do know that all of zelda oot fit ona single32mb cartridge

mikemil828

Yeah, but Nintendo have been paying ever since for their decision to not use CDs for the N64. Will Microsoft suffer the same kind of fate, losing developers to the PS3 and the PC for lack of space?

The thing that may hurt microsoft in the long run is not having a standard harddrive, because if disk space does become a problem they could just make somethings downloadable.

How many times do we have to go over this?

BluRay is completely not needed by Sony...especially by Sony.

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

Now which console already has a HDD in every unit....why Sony does.

So, why didn't Sony just launch 6 months earlier, bundle a 120GB or 200GB HDD at a cheaper price point than a BD drive, and load part or all of the game onto the HDD the same as a PC?

BECAUSE BD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAMING. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Why is that so hard for fanboys to understand?

How many times do we have to go over this?

BluRay is completely not needed by Sony...especially by Sony.

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

Now which console already has a HDD in every unit....why Sony does.

So, why didn't Sony just launch 6 months earlier, bundle a 120GB or 200GB HDD at a cheaper price point than a BD drive, and load part or all of the game onto the HDD the same as a PC?

BECAUSE BD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAMING. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Why is that so hard for fanboys to understand?

SUD123456

Ha, you hit him again before I could. Hard Drives (and most likey SSD) are the future of holding data. Discs are just needed to get the data to you from the store if you have a hard drive available. Ask any PC gamer if they care about Blu-Ray, I bet you will get a "shocking" answer for your line of reasoning.

Weren't most games last gen 4 GBs? Why is 9 GBs suddenly not enough?

EDIT: Actually, I think most games were below 4 GBs. Not all of them used up all the disc space of a DVD.

[QUOTE="Bromz"]I'm a critic of the fact I want a gaming machine that plays Uncharted, Ratchet, Heavenly Sword and MGS4 but I have to pay a price way too high for a GAMING console. I don't deny its value for money, but it could be decorated in diamonds and I'm still not paying the price they're asking. The price point is blu-rays fault, so ye I guess I'm a critic of blu ray.Izzy12345

I respect your opinion, but you say that you would not pay the price for a PS3, yet you admit it is value for money.

Thing is I find that funny because a 360 (350$) + 1yr of live with wireless (170$)comes to what a PS3 is. Problem is that you will have to keep paying for live. If you have financial troubles i.e. do I pay rent or buy a system, then perhaps none are right for you. (not that am saying your poor or anything its just this is why I say the price thing is not a big deal)

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

How many times do we have to go over this?

BluRay is completely not needed by Sony...especially by Sony.

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

Now which console already has a HDD in every unit....why Sony does.

So, why didn't Sony just launch 6 months earlier, bundle a 120GB or 200GB HDD at a cheaper price point than a BD drive, and load part or all of the game onto the HDD the same as a PC?

BECAUSE BD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAMING. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Why is that so hard for fanboys to understand?

maabus99

Ha, you hit him again before I could. Hard Drives (and most likey SSD) are the future of holding data. Discs are just needed to get the data to you from the store if you have a hard drive available. Ask any PC gamer if they care about Blu-Ray, I bet you will get a "shocking" answer for your line of reasoning.

You know, this post makes the most sense. The PS3 could have been at least $150 cheaper without the Blu-Ray and having a 200GB hard drive. Sony could also have been making money on each PS3 instead of losing $200 on every unit sold.

SUD123456 is right. You've convinced me that Blu-Ray is absolutely not necessary for gaming.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

gakon5

He's saying that if disk space does become an issue, it can easily be solved via downloadable content. A stance that I agree with and the reason that I believe a lack of a standard harddrive is going to hinder Microsoft in the future.

How many times do we have to go over this?

BluRay is completely not needed by Sony...especially by Sony.

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

Now which console already has a HDD in every unit....why Sony does.

So, why didn't Sony just launch 6 months earlier, bundle a 120GB or 200GB HDD at a cheaper price point than a BD drive, and load part or all of the game onto the HDD the same as a PC?

BECAUSE BD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAMING. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Why is that so hard for fanboys to understand?

SUD123456

Well Sony has its own agenda by pushing BD just like it did with cds for PS1. Also you make it sound like everyone should just buy and d/l games to HDD but say you have a 25G how long will it take to d/l. Also if your HDD runs out of space do you then have to delete games you paid top dollar for. Then you can say well you can install games, then uninstall then reinstall but lets see how you market that one.

Think about it games will always require more space and so thats why we continue to evolve ie cd to dvd to BD and so on.

I also find it funny that the ones opposed to next gen formats are the lems when a 20G HDD for xbox is 100$ According to your theory 360 people should pay 1000$ for 200G of storage. Please we are in next gen and Sony brought a next gen format where is MS.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="gakon5"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

BD for gaming is nothing more than storage...that is all it does...storage. A HDD also does storage, and guess what, a HDD is better because read times are faster.

gakon5

He's saying that if disk space does become an issue, it can easily be solved via downloadable content. A stance that I agree with and the reason that I believe a lack of a standard harddrive is going to hinder Microsoft in the future.

How many games are 50 gigs? As far as I know all games have been on 25 gig disks and none of them have come close to filling them up. What I'm saying is release most of the game on disk, and then make whatever's left a downloadable update upon release.

What the heck is wrong with you guys?

You don't have to use a downloadable solution. Put the game on multiple disks. The first time you play the game you install 1 or more of the disks contents onto the harddrive. Problem solved.

God, have you never installed something from more than 1 disk onto your computer harddrive?

It is not a problem if your game console comes with a standard harddrive now is it? And guess which console has a standard HDD.

Jeesh.

If the PS3 was released stripped down like some people wants it would be no more than another PS2. As for the need of the Blu-Ray for games the developers have been looking at using the 50 gig disc for there games. At that point how many disc would be needed for a single game on DVD9 even with a HDD.

So you're basically suggesting a mandatory downloadable cache for every game? I just can't see that working.gakon5

Why not? The only problem is that not every 360 has a harddrive. And like someone else says, if that didn't work you could just install the games on the harddrive.

Yes you can install games like on a PC but consoles are not supposed to be PCs. If games come in at 25G and you have say 2 DVDs and install and use the play disk,you will need space on the HDD. Ok but what if you want alot of games say you get 10 games a year how long will your HDD last you. Oh wait you forget live and PSN content.

To those who say d/l games is the future sure maybe but for now there isnt enough people with hi speed connections or even large HDD to store it all maybe in the future but we are in the here and now. PCs are PCs and consoles are consels.

What the heck is wrong with you guys?

You don't have to use a downloadable solution. Put the game on multiple disks. The first time you play the game you install 1 or more of the disks contents onto the harddrive. Problem solved.

God, have you never installed something from more than 1 disk onto your computer harddrive?

It is not a problem if your game console comes with a standard harddrive now is it? And guess which console has a standard HDD.

Jeesh.

SUD123456

I think this thread proves how oblivious some folks here are to PC gaming and multiple discs...and how it has never affected us once:)

If MS loses the console war, at least to the PS3, I would pin the biggest fault being no HDD, which it seems they are trying to change if the rumors are even semi-true. Yes, I'm dismissing the reliability thing because in a year I believe from a developer/game salesstand point it will be a non issue compared to a HDD.

If the PS3 was released stripped down like some people wants it would be no more than another PS2. As for the need of the Blu-Ray for games the developers have been looking at using the 50 gig disc for there games. At that point how many disc would be needed for a single game on DVD9 even with a HDD.

jimm895

4 discs? Especially with the option to install onto a hard drive like SUD suggests, that shouldn't be a big deal at all. Heck, for the price of a Blu-ray player, I could buy about 5 200 GB hard drives.

Yes you can install games like on a PC but consoles are not supposed to be PCs. If games come in at 25G and you have say 2 DVDs and install and use the play disk,you will need space on the HDD. Ok but what if you want alot of games say you get 10 games a year how long will your HDD last you. Oh wait you forget live and PSN content.

To those who say d/l games is the future sure maybe but for now there isnt enough people with hi speed connections or even large HDD to store it all maybe in the future but we are in the here and now. PCs are PCs and consoles are consels.

Izzy12345

Consoles aren't supposed to be like PCs? If that were true, then why did MS release the 360 and Sony release the PS3?

Yes you can install games like on a PC but consoles are not supposed to be PCs. If games come in at 25G and you have say 2 DVDs and install and use the play disk,you will need space on the HDD. Ok but what if you want alot of games say you get 10 games a year how long will your HDD last you. Oh wait you forget live and PSN content.

To those who say d/l games is the future sure maybe but for now there isnt enough people with hi speed connections or even large HDD to store it all maybe in the future but we are in the here and now. PCs are PCs and consoles are consels.

Izzy12345

Ok then, why do consoles have Hard drive options? Why do they have online content? Why do they have non gaming applications? Why do they have keyboard/mouse options (every PS3 UT3 player is rejoicing for this fact)?

You sound like the old school complainer who whined about going from cartridge to CD gaming. In reality, Consoles are trying to become computer like across the board so they can compete for different things. Trust me, the best home media center is not a PS3 or Xbox with HD DVD, it is a PC specifically designed for that function.

And guess what, it can play games just like a console if you go and buy supported controllers out there! Just be glad this isn't very popular with the masses yet, but that is why MS is marketing the Xbox so heavily with losses, to become a standardized PC/home media center in the future that gives them more market share!

Yes you can install games like on a PC but consoles are not supposed to be PCs. If games come in at 25G and you have say 2 DVDs and install and use the play disk,you will need space on the HDD. Ok but what if you want alot of games say you get 10 games a year how long will your HDD last you. Oh wait you forget live and PSN content.

To those who say d/l games is the future sure maybe but for now there isnt enough people with hi speed connections or even large HDD to store it all maybe in the future but we are in the here and now. PCs are PCs and consoles are consels.

Izzy12345

Like it or not, consoles are becoming more and more like PCs.And like I said how many games are 25 gigs?

A quickquestion to Blu-ray critics if it is not needed for gaming does that mean that 9G is the end all of game size. I mean we went from cartridges to CDs to DVDs and thats it games will never need more than 9G of data?

Seems fishy to me as GTA 4 and PGR 4 were complaining about limitations on disk size. Even at that though why not make the games multi disk?

I guess someone forgot to tell MS we were in next gen.

Izzy12345

For this gen, Blu Ray is not needed. Its no more I need to say. :shock:

[QUOTE="Bromz"]I'm a critic of the fact I want a gaming machine that plays Uncharted, Ratchet, Heavenly Sword and MGS4 but I have to pay a price way too high for a GAMING console. I don't deny its value for money, but it could be decorated in diamonds and I'm still not paying the price they're asking. The price point is blu-rays fault, so ye I guess I'm a critic of blu ray.Izzy12345

I respect your opinion, but you say that you would not pay the price for a PS3, yet you admit it is value for money.

Thing is I find that funny because a 360 (350$) + 1yr of live with wireless (170$)comes to what a PS3 is. Problem is that you will have to keep paying for live. If you have financial troubles i.e. do I pay rent or buy a system, then perhaps none are right for you. (not that am saying your poor or anything its just this is why I say the price thing is not a big deal)

Just because I think $500 is a good deal for a brand spankin new video card that could emulate reality doesn't mean I am going to shell out the money for it. Why? Because $500 is a lot to play games or watch a movie.

well the devs need to work harder,

u do know that all of zelda oot fit ona single32mb cartridge

tmgwarrior72

That is amazing, but if you want a game to look and sound good, MS should be trying harder.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="gakon5"] So you're basically suggesting a mandatory downloadable cache for every game? I just can't see that working.gakon5

Why not? The only problem is that not every 360 has a harddrive. And like someone else says, if that didn't work you could just install the games on the harddrive.

Not everyone has a HDTV either, but that hasn't stopped MS and Sony from making HD games standard and thus driving up prices.

[QUOTE="tmgwarrior72"]

well the devs need to work harder,

u do know that all of zelda oot fit ona single32mb cartridge

Hot_Potato

That is amazing, but if you want a game to look and sound good, MS should be trying harder.

Funny. Sony hasn't beaten MS in that department yet...

[QUOTE="Izzy12345"]

Yes you can install games like on a PC but consoles are not supposed to be PCs. If games come in at 25G and you have say 2 DVDs and install and use the play disk,you will need space on the HDD. Ok but what if you want alot of games say you get 10 games a year how long will your HDD last you. Oh wait you forget live and PSN content.

To those who say d/l games is the future sure maybe but for now there isnt enough people with hi speed connections or even large HDD to store it all maybe in the future but we are in the here and now. PCs are PCs and consoles are consels.

maabus99

Ok then, why do consoles have Hard drive options? Why do they have online content? Why do they have non gaming applications? Why do they have keyboard/mouse options (every PS3 UT3 player is rejoicing for this fact)?

You sound like the old school complainer who whined about going from cartridge to CD gaming. In reality, Consoles are trying to become computer like across the board so they can compete for different things. Trust me, the best home media center is not a PS3 or Xbox with HD DVD, it is a PC specifically designed for that function.

And guess what, it can play games just like a console if you go and buy supported controllers out there! Just be glad this isn't very popular with the masses yet, but that is why MS is marketing the Xbox so heavily with losses, to become a standardized PC/home media center in the future that gives them more market share!

Consoles have HDD for online content and to save games, they have online content since many people enjoy playing online from the comfort of their own homes against other peopleand someone found a way to make money off that connectivity. They have non gaming applications since with the prices they are at now it is easier to just pass them off has home entertainment centers, for music games movies etc.. it makes them seem more marketable. The keyboard mouse thing is there for when you have to type in passwords or chat and dont have a mic. As for UT3 its because PS3 people were scared of the advantages PC gamers would have as PS3 and PC can play together, leveling the playing field.

Your right about consoles I agree they are more like PCs, thing I meant was with consoles you dont have to worry about compatibility and installing and what not. It is also generally the cheaper option to high end PCs. All 360 and PS3 games will run on their respective systems. Consoles are jsut simpler than PCs.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

Not everyone has a HDTV either, but that hasn't stopped MS and Sony from making HD games standard and thus driving up prices.

gakon5

But your paying extra for features that you can't use, and have you ever tryed playing Dead Rising on an SD tv? It's practically unplayable.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="gakon5"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

Not everyone has a HDTV either, but that hasn't stopped MS and Sony from making HD games standard and thus driving up prices.

gakon5

But your paying extra for features that you can't use, and have you ever tryed playing Dead Rising on an SD tv? It's practically unplayable.

Once again though, you're still paying extra for things that you can't even take advantage of. And it might as well be unplayable, all of the mission text is comepletely illegible.

A quickquestion to Blu-ray critics if it is not needed for gaming does that mean that 9G is the end all of game size. I mean we went from cartridges to CDs to DVDs and thats it games will never need more than 9G of data?

Seems fishy to me as GTA 4 and PGR 4 were complaining about limitations on disk size. Even at that though why not make the games multi disk?

I guess someone forgot to tell MS we were in next gen.

Izzy12345

Eh. the "critics" are just mad they didnt get a next-gen format in thier console. Blu Ray is a great format, it's doing great sales-wise, and frankly, it looks as though it will succeed the DVD.

So how does this relate to making downloadable cache files go on the 360/PS3? If you buy a game that needs one of these downloads, but you can't get to it for whatever reason, you're screwed.gakon5

Ok maybe that was a bad example, more just me venting about the rediculous prices of this generation. If you can't afford an internet connection at this point, I think you have more to worry about than video games.

I've been spoiled by HDTV and PC gaming on monitors. I can no longer play anything on a SD television.

[QUOTE="Izzy12345"]

A quickquestion to Blu-ray critics if it is not needed for gaming does that mean that 9G is the end all of game size. I mean we went from cartridges to CDs to DVDs and thats it games will never need more than 9G of data?

Seems fishy to me as GTA 4 and PGR 4 were complaining about limitations on disk size. Even at that though why not make the games multi disk?

I guess someone forgot to tell MS we were in next gen.

FlamingFlamingo

Eh. the "critics" are just mad they didnt get a next-gen format in thier console. Blu Ray is a great format, it's doing great sales-wise, and frankly, it looks as though it will succeed the DVD.

Ummm no...and you won't have one with these formats winfor either A.) 5 years or B.) Never due to newer tech. Unless one throws in the towel early but that still doesn't make it main stream. Dvd+upscaler is good enough for 1/10 the cost in the long run.