Blu Ray Strikes Again!

So far the PS3 has hardly demonstrated its superiority has it? why would a port be a downgrade?blue_hazy_basic

Even if the massive space is bloatedly used by lossless audio, 1080p video, etc, porting to 360 would require those things to be stripped, hence downgrading the game.

oh what a major blow to the 360. once again devs say that a ps3 exclusive can't fit on a dvd. i have a feeling they are only talking about the game uncompressed because other wise i think it definitely could fit.ItalStallion777

notice how it is usually second party devs!

Ask the dev's to say its a permanent exclusive with no plans on ever releasing on 360 after PS3.U have to watch their exact wordings.haha

[QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Here again a lemming tiwsting my words... WELLA

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID I SAY LIBRARY ?

Were talking about shooters... Btw yeah i think PS3 WILL BE BETTER THAN Xbox 360 library in 2008 :D

TheSystemLord1

Ok, we'll talk shooters, according to Gamespot's list the PS3 has 7 shooters of various types...none of them are AAA

The Xbox 360 has 20 shooters according to Gamespot's list...6 of them are AAA.

Hey, if you're going to do something, do it right :D.

Resistance ... did u imagine the other 6 ?

so what, they just throw some multiple discs on there for the 360 version or what? i dont understand whats going on here...

or did they cancel that and are making a pc version instead?
Mandingo101

[QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Lemmings please answer this Question..

Why are you ignoring that GTA developer said Dvd9 isnt enough

Why are you ignoring PGR4 developers when they said tey had to cut some content because of DVd9 size wasnt enough ?

why are all of a sudden ignoring and going againest these developers that are telling you Dvd9 isnt enough ?

TheSystemLord1

Are you forgetting that Heavenly Sword is a 5-6 hour game? Are you forgetting that Lair sucks? Are you forgetting that Resistance uses no compression whatsoever? Are you forgetting that the PS3 version of Oblivion is missing content thats in the 360 version? Are you forgetting that the 360 version of GTA4 will have content that the PS3 version does not have?

You clearly didnt answer my questions... is that your best lemming ?

Not so exclusive ?

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Here again a lemming tiwsting my words... WELLA

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID I SAY LIBRARY ?

Were talking about shooters... Btw yeah i think PS3 WILL BE BETTER THAN Xbox 360 library in 2008 :D

kokatawa111

Ok, we'll talk shooters, according to Gamespot's list the PS3 has 7 shooters of various types...none of them are AAA

The Xbox 360 has 20 shooters according to Gamespot's list...6 of them are AAA.

Hey, if you're going to do something, do it right :D.

Resistance ... did u imagine the other 6 ?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1028&category=Tactical+Shooters&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=post_date&sortdir=asc

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1028&category=Other+Shooters&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=post_date&sortdir=asc

does this help you?

EDIT and if your talking exclusivesshooters make up 2/3 of PS3 exclusive AAA/AA's? Teh Shoota console!!! LOL

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA&gid=2

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Here again a lemming tiwsting my words... WELLA

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID I SAY LIBRARY ?

Were talking about shooters... Btw yeah i think PS3 WILL BE BETTER THAN Xbox 360 library in 2008 :D

Blackbond

Ok, we'll talk shooters, according to Gamespot's list the PS3 has 7 shooters of various types...none of them are AAA

The Xbox 360 has 20 shooters according to Gamespot's list...6 of them are AAA.

Hey, if you're going to do something, do it right :D.

And you still get owned either way.

I dont see hows hes owning me when hes posting 6 games hes imaginig.. i know there are 4 more FPS comming to PS3 but there not out yet

The 360 has what 20 shooters ? WHAT 20 ? thats tons of shooters... mind you, thats a Shoote console

and more on the way ? too human ? mass shooting ?

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Lemmings please answer this Question..

Why are you ignoring that GTA developer said Dvd9 isnt enough

Why are you ignoring PGR4 developers when they said tey had to cut some content because of DVd9 size wasnt enough ?

why are all of a sudden ignoring and going againest these developers that are telling you Dvd9 isnt enough ?

kokatawa111

Are you forgetting that Heavenly Sword is a 5-6 hour game? Are you forgetting that Lair sucks? Are you forgetting that Resistance uses no compression whatsoever? Are you forgetting that the PS3 version of Oblivion is missing content thats in the 360 version? Are you forgetting that the 360 version of GTA4 will have content that the PS3 version does not have?

You clearly didnt answer my questions... is that your best lemming ?

Step off.

Your questions were answered earlier. I think TSL is making rather valid additional observations about how Blu Ray HAS been (mis)used in the past. You had to pass both Blackbond and my arguments to take on TSL. What? You figured you'd only undercut the poster you could win against?

Is that YOUR best?

[QUOTE="kokatawa111"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Here again a lemming tiwsting my words... WELLA

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID I SAY LIBRARY ?

Were talking about shooters... Btw yeah i think PS3 WILL BE BETTER THAN Xbox 360 library in 2008 :D

blue_hazy_basic

Ok, we'll talk shooters, according to Gamespot's list the PS3 has 7 shooters of various types...none of them are AAA

The Xbox 360 has 20 shooters according to Gamespot's list...6 of them are AAA.

Hey, if you're going to do something, do it right :D.

Resistance ... did u imagine the other 6 ?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1028&category=Tactical+Shooters&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=post_date&sortdir=asc

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1028&category=Other+Shooters&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=post_date&sortdir=asc

does this help you?

Oh my God, u just counted warhawk as a shooter and all PS3 unreleased games WTF man

i should count Too humand and all new Shooters comming to 360 Shoooter console aswell :D

Oh my God, u just counted warhawk as a shooter and all PS3 unreleased games WTF man

i should count Too humand and all new Shooters comming to 360 Shoooter console aswell :D

kokatawa111

OK http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA&gid=2

there you go TWO THIRDS of PS3 exclusives are shooters. GS not me count it as a shooter (what do youconsider it as?).

PS3=shoota console

EDIT I posted the GS links as for some reason you have amnesia and can only remember 1 game. I'm surpised you forgot about the multiplat shooters. 360 has 3 exclusive shooters out of 11 AA/AAAe's.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Its still going to take alot more proof before lemmings start to get this. They will hold on to 2007 for as long as they can.kokatawa111

LOL SOO TRUE.. them and there dieing consol, they cant take the truth :p

Wait so Lemmings are holding onto a successful year, and cows are holding onto a year which hasn't even happened yet. Damn Lemmings sure do get it bad!

has anybody heard of using another disk if you run out space on the first,;)jbisco25

ARE YOU KIDDING? you mean go all the way from the couch to the console every 6 hours or so? Geez I might as well be in the gym! :P

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Here again a lemming tiwsting my words... WELLA

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID I SAY LIBRARY ?

Were talking about shooters... Btw yeah i think PS3 WILL BE BETTER THAN Xbox 360 library in 2008 :D

kokatawa111

Ok, we'll talk shooters, according to Gamespot's list the PS3 has 7 shooters of various types...none of them are AAA

The Xbox 360 has 20 shooters according to Gamespot's list...6 of them are AAA.

Hey, if you're going to do something, do it right :D.

And you still get owned either way.

I dont see hows hes owning me when hes posting 6 games hes imaginig.. i know there are 4 more FPS comming to PS3 but there not out yet

The 360 has what 20 shooters ? WHAT 20 ? thats tons of shooters... mind you, thats a Shoote console

and more on the way ? too human ? mass shooting ?

What does it matter if the 360 is a shooter console or even if the whole library was 100% shooters. You said you weren't talking about the game library you were talking about shooters. 360 has more and higher rated shooters. Therefor you are owned.

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Lemmings please answer this Question..

Why are you ignoring that GTA developer said Dvd9 isnt enough

Why are you ignoring PGR4 developers when they said tey had to cut some content because of DVd9 size wasnt enough ?

why are all of a sudden ignoring and going againest these developers that are telling you Dvd9 isnt enough ?

kokatawa111

Are you forgetting that Heavenly Sword is a 5-6 hour game? Are you forgetting that Lair sucks? Are you forgetting that Resistance uses no compression whatsoever? Are you forgetting that the PS3 version of Oblivion is missing content thats in the 360 version? Are you forgetting that the 360 version of GTA4 will have content that the PS3 version does not have?

You clearly didnt answer my questions... is that your best lemming ?

Ok, I'll answer your questions

First, a preface:

Referring to Rockstar as "GTA4 developer" says you know nothing of gaming and need to quit pretending like you do.

now then:

Chapter 1: DVD9 isn't big enough for GTA4

My answer? Isn't big enough for what? 4 cities the size of next gen Liberty City + countryside in between? Sounds awesome doesn't it? I bet if the game was PS3 exclusive that's exactly what you'd get too huh :wink: WRONG. This game has been in development for YEARS, and they are just now finalizing the 1 city and making it the way they want to. Imagine if they had 3 or 4 cities just like it, the game simply would never come out. There would be no "eventually" or "just wait", the game would single-handedly bankrupt Rockstar before they could release it. Games that use Blu-Ray in a way that you think its going to be used are far to expensive right now, hence the format is not needed. 1080p, lossless audio, uncompressed everything, that stuff doesn't cost as much as compressing everything down. Blu-Ray is nice to have right now, it is NOT necessary.

-As evidenced by me saying GTA4 will have MORE content on the 360 than it does on the PS3.

Chapter 2: PGR4 developers saying they had to cut some content due to size limitations of DVD9.

Content? CONTENT?! They cut day and night cycles from CERTAIN tracks! How is that Content! Bloody hell )(&*#(*%&(#(*$&(%&$(* PROFANITY!!!!! Can we PLEASE go to a NeoGaf system where people have to be members for awhile before starting threads, and insane comments like this = a ban? Do you really think that day and night cycles on certain tracks would have netted the game AAA GOTY status? Hey, if it was on PS3 then it would have right? Amirite?! Anyone? *crickets*

Motorstorm pre-release: "The power of Blu-Ray!" "Only possible on the Playstation 3!"

7.0

PGR4 pre-release: "Eh, we did the best we could, we pushed it to the limit, but in the end in order to give you a good experience we had to eliminate the day and night cycles from a few tracks"

-The comment was then retracted and bizarre said there were no such problems Link

8.5

Gee, once again, I'm missing Blu-ray....

Does that answer your question a little better?

[spoiler] Lair still sucks, Heavenly Sword is still 5 hours long, Uncharted is a Gears rip-off with mediocre graphics and MGS4/FF13 are over a year away. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]so what, they just throw some multiple discs on there for the 360 version or what? i dont understand whats going on here...

or did they cancel that and are making a pc version instead?
blue_hazy_basic

I dont see hows hes owning me when hes posting 6 games hes imaginig.. i know there are 4 more FPS comming to PS3 but there not out yet

The 360 has what 20 shooters ? WHAT 20 ? thats tons of shooters... mind you, thats a Shoote console

and more on the way ? too human ? mass shooting ?

kokatawa111

6 games I'm imagining?!?! There aren't enough report buttons in the world for you!

PS3 released FPS - 4

PS3 released tactical shooters - 2

PS3 released other shooters - 1

6 shooters on the Playstation 3 kid...6...SIX...SIIIXXX!!!

* Not so exclusive...but LA Noire definitely ain't coming to Xbox 360, the size of the game is an obstacle to this.

therealmcc0y

So....PC? This game could be cool. But these guys tend to focus too much on the presentation as opposed to the gameplay. So this costume designer etc. stuff gets mixed reactions from me.

Also, what the hell is this blog? Who's behind it? I wanna know if the person behind is credible and actually gets legit inside scoops. Who gives a **** about L.A. Noire, this blog says Max Payne 3 is in development and will be released for at least the Xbox 360 next fall.

LMFAO BUT BUT BUT TEH OBLIVION!!! hahaha lems coulda sworn a year ago this would never happen.......te hte h teh compression. :cry:

[/spoiler]

TheSystemLord1

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"]so what, they just throw some multiple discs on there for the 360 version or what? i dont understand whats going on here...

or did they cancel that and are making a pc version instead?
Mandingo101

A lost bet in SW bets thread kept me out for quite a while :D I peeked in every now and again but didn't read very many threads.

Oh my God, u just counted warhawk as a shooter and all PS3 unreleased games WTF man

i should count Too humand and all new Shooters comming to 360 Shoooter console aswell :D

kokatawa111

Do you go to the links? Do you?! Have you ever been on a forum in your entire bloody 10 year lifespan?!

The only games on those links have reviews by them and have been released

MAN SO OVER EVERYONE BACKING XBOX 360 IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS.

guys remember ps3 is a baby console all its games are coming out from now till the next 6 months. have none of you bothered to watch trailers and compare games, KILL ZONE 2 graphics in game are incredible u cant even compare and Grand turisimo 5 prologue is so good you can barely tell whats real life or game... still got metal gear solid coming and also tekken 6 which xbox is trying to nab now thats why its taking so long to FRIKEN release... devil may cry the xbox nabbed off us everyone knows ps3 is the best thats why microsoft is having to pay out so many companies to switch...

we have many xclusive titles coming and also many new games coming. theps3 is the console to have eventually xbox will platue and not be able to fit NEW NEXT GEN games on a normal dvd and if blu-ray wins this december the xbox can kiss it self good buy. everyone will want to develop exclusives on blu-ray where they can really show off their time spent making awesome next gen games ! sorry guys for now xbox is great but you can fight hard facts and hardware dont be so bias i owned an xbox till itcopped the red lights 3 timesbtw halo is not that crash hot on gears is a much better game and you can already see most ppl going back to gears online once they finish there halo campaign and get fkn bored of it! cheers

OVERRATED HARD AND EVERYONE JSUT FEELS OBLIGATED TO BUY HALO IF U OWN A 360 AND DONT GET IT THATSsad CAUSE THATS THE ONLY GOOD THING BOUT IT... ITS JUST LIKE BRUSHING YOUR TEETH AND FORGETING TO SHOWER...

xbox its only a matter of time hopefully blu-ray wins its outselling here in aus 3-1 and everyone i speak to has no idea what hd-dvd is all they no how to say is 1080p bluray i want one, HHAHAHA at least they say bluray !

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

[/spoiler]

Mandingo101

E3 '07 Trailer with gameplay mixed in with cutscenes

Over the shoulder aiming?

Similar cover system?

Graphical ****on par with Stranglehold?

Ok, the Gears rip-off comment was too hasty, but it is inspired directly by Gears.

But the graphics are very mediocre...Ratchet and Clank? Now THOSE are good graphics.

[QUOTE="kokatawa111"]

Oh my God, u just counted warhawk as a shooter and all PS3 unreleased games WTF man

i should count Too humand and all new Shooters comming to 360 Shoooter console aswell :D

TheSystemLord1

Do you go to the links? Do you?! Have you ever been on a forum in your entire bloody 10 year lifespan?!

The only games on those links have reviews by them and have been released

Don't let the kiddyfanboys make you angry thatswhat they want.

*pointless rant*marcymarc0504

Congratulations, I counted 2 periods in that entire rant.

On Topic: Developers simply cannot afford to make games so drastically different than what they are now that Blu-Ray is made truly necessary.

Slap a few extra layers of unnoticeable polish on? Yes...if only the PS3 wasn't running the sub SLI 6800gt powered RSX GPU platform that's bottlenecking the Cell maybe you would notice the miniscule difference.

Link

[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]That's why Sony forced a Bl-Ray player on the PlayStation 3! :D For trulyHD games! I wonder if this means I will have to get a HD T.V. too for the game to work? :PPlaystation97

Here's a little something for ya. If you don't have an HDTV, you shouldn't talk about these things. This generation isn't aimed at you. This gen's graphics aren't aimed at you (except Wii). You are an afterthought.

Too right!!! Technology will wait for no one!! If anyone out there still game on a standard TV that's your problem!! The HD generation has begun and it will just get better and better!! To deny that HD is needed you have to be narrow minded!! HD gaming is the future of gaming. For that reason a larger capacity disk is needed like blu-ray!!

So SONY is a smart company after all and they where really thinking about the future, unlike the other companies....one whant's to stay in 2005-2007 and the other whant's to go back to 2000-2003.

Well this is what I say to Microsoft and Nintendo when it comes to game on their systems.......Hell To The NO!!!

What standard of HDTV and when?That is the question.

The answer is determined by the marketplace...the consumer. Not by Sony, Nintendo, or MS.

Right now the marketplace is kicking the crap out of the PS3, with the lowest resolution standard crushing all others.

The problem with being too future oriented in consumer electronics/technology is that you can easily relegate yourself to a niche market...which is OK, if that is what you want. For instance, 7.1 audio...laughable I say. Other than a few audiophiles, who has this?How many years before this becomes a mainstream standard? Not before this generation of consoles is long since decided. Frankly, it is nothing more than a used car salesman feature - yep she goes really fast. And frankly, 1080p for gaming is not much different.

But my opinion is just one. As is yours. What's the market for consoles actually saying? :)

You are right!! The PS3 is not doing as well as it should and that's just because 80% of people are narrow minded and they just don't care enough to do a little research....they just go into a gamestore and ask for the most popular thing even if it's crap!

7.1 yea....well not many people have that!! I still have a 5.1 home theater system but just go back about 5 years...5.1 was the WOW!!! Remember that?? 7.1 is out I think since 05 or even a little before. I myself will get a 7.1 home theater system next year because it's too expensive now....you'll have to spend about $2000 to get a decent system!! But it will come...just like HDTV's they are getting cheaper and cheapr by the month!! Hell there are HDTV's out there for $800! I got my 52" inch Bravia little more than a Year ago. I payed $5000 for it and look at it now $3499!! See how much it droped in just a year??? Next year it will be around $2000. And that TV is huge!! An Avarage person is statisfied with a 30" TV and you can get those for like $1000-$1500. Next year....there will be around $600-$1000.

There is no point to deny these things for there are true!! HD will come...people will buy it!! By 2010 I predict that about 80% of US households will have at least 1 HD TV!! and that's just 3 years form now!

And 2011 is probably when the next Xbox comes out. And THAT is when consoles need to be full HD. MS was just being realistic and smart in not wasting money on a feature that less than a third of their target demographic could use.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

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TheSystemLord1

E3 '07 Trailer with gameplay mixed in with cutscenes

Over the shoulder aiming?

Similar cover system?

Graphical ****on par with Stranglehold?

Ok, the Gears rip-off comment was too hasty, but it is inspired directly by Gears.

But the graphics are very mediocre...Ratchet and Clank? Now THOSE are good graphics.

[QUOTE="marcymarc0504"]*pointless rant*TheSystemLord1

Congratulations, I counted 2 periods in that entire rant.

On Topic: Developers simply cannot afford to make games so drastically different than what they are now that Blu-Ray is made truly necessary.

Slap a few extra layers of unnoticeable polish on? Yes...if only the PS3 wasn't running the sub SLI 6800gt powered RSX GPU platform that's bottlenecking the Cell maybe you would notice the miniscule difference.

Link

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

less than 1/4 of 360 games are shooters....:roll:

kokatawa111

Look at your AAA games 90% are Shooters :p

Look at the PS3's AAAE games, 100% shooters :roll:

Oh wait, no i'm wrong, it doesnt have any AAAE's unless i missed something the past few weeks ....

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

[QUOTE="marcymarc0504"]*pointless rant*Mandingo101

Congratulations, I counted 2 periods in that entire rant.

On Topic: Developers simply cannot afford to make games so drastically different than what they are now that Blu-Ray is made truly necessary.

Slap a few extra layers of unnoticeable polish on? Yes...if only the PS3 wasn't running the sub SLI 6800gt powered RSX GPU platform that's bottlenecking the Cell maybe you would notice the miniscule difference.

Link

Look at the PS3's AAAE games, 100% shooters:roll:

Snugenz

Wait what? PS3.... AAAE?

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

[QUOTE="marcymarc0504"]*pointless rant*TheWiikestLink

Congratulations, I counted 2 periods in that entire rant.

On Topic: Developers simply cannot afford to make games so drastically different than what they are now that Blu-Ray is made truly necessary.

Slap a few extra layers of unnoticeable polish on? Yes...if only the PS3 wasn't running the sub SLI 6800gt powered RSX GPU platform that's bottlenecking the Cell maybe you would notice the miniscule difference.

Link

Are you talking to me?

Profile - 20 years old

And you think that the Cell isn't being bottlenecked? It gets outperformed by a damn MAC G5!

Link

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Look at the PS3's AAAE games, 100% shooters:roll:

Grive

Wait what? PS3.... AAAE?

AAA exclusive

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Its still going to take alot more proof before lemmings start to get this. They will hold on to 2007 for as long as they can.The_Crucible

and for this game? Just wait til 2009 :roll: have fun til then on the waitstation!

Read my signature. Wait-box 360 has been just as bad.

*looks at 360's HUGE library, then looks at ps3 paultry library* :lol:

Now look at the quality of those 360 titles, only a small percentage are actually good. The ones that are good weren't even out yet in 360's first year. It was November before your first hit, GeoW, came out. About the same time of the year PS3 will get R&C and Uncharted.

Pay closer attention, son.

what are you talking about? the 360 had the best launch titles out of any console to date in most peoples opinion. PGR3 was a horrible game and FNR3 was a horrible game, same with call of duty 2too not to mention gemometry wars :roll:. 360 definately didn't have any good games the 1st year it was out, your right.

Are you talking to me?

Profile - 20 years old

And you think that the Cell isn't being bottlenecked? It gets outperformed by a damn MAC G5!

Link

TheSystemLord1

[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Look at the PS3's AAAE games, 100% shooters:roll:

TheSystemLord1

Wait what? PS3.... AAAE?

AAA exclusive

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Look at the PS3's AAAE games, 100% shooters:roll:

Grive

Wait what? PS3.... AAAE?

Yeah i know i edited right after i posted when i came to my senses and remember the grim truth :P

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]

Are you talking to me?

Profile - 20 years old

And you think that the Cell isn't being bottlenecked? It gets outperformed by a damn MAC G5!

Link

Mandingo101

The point of the article is that thru the Playstation 3, the Cell can't perform to its highest abilities. I'm saying nothing about the Cell, the Cell is amazing, but the Playstation 3 wastes alot of that potential.

people need to read their sources before posting crap like this....

http://softrockhallelujah.blogspot.com/2007/10/exclusive-la-noire-information.html

watch R* come out later and say "We don't comment on rumors and speculation"

[QUOTE="kokatawa111"]Oh my God, u just counted warhawk as a shooter and all PS3 unreleased games WTF man

i should count Too humand and all new Shooters comming to 360 Shoooter console aswell :D

blue_hazy_basic

OK http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA&gid=2

there you go TWO THIRDS of PS3 exclusives are shooters. GS not me count it as a shooter (what do youconsider it as?).

PS3=shoota console

EDIT I posted the GS links as for some reason you have amnesia and can only remember 1 game. I'm surpised you forgot about the multiplat shooters. 360 has 3 exclusive shooters out of 11 AA/AAAe's.

kokatawa111 you asked a question earlier and challenged people to answer (I did and you ignored my post but nevermind that now) now are you going to respond to this in reply to your earlier posts?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]Its still going to take alot more proof before lemmings start to get this. They will hold on to 2007 for as long as they can.kokatawa111

LOL SOO TRUE.. them and there dieing consol, they cant take the truth :p

Lol funny guy :P