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#1 speedsix
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http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/17399/18423/samsung-blu-ray-5-years-left.phtml

I think he's hinting at downloadable media replacing it personally, I defiitely think Blu-Ray won't enjoy the sucess and longevity of previous formats. A lot of people assume it is the new format and is here to stay simply because it beat out HD-DVD but it's definitely not out of the woods yet imo.

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The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

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#3 TenP
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Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

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#4 chikenfriedrice
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But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

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#5 angelkimne
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IDK. By then I might just have a HD-TV.
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#6 killzowned24
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um, oled is a type of tv and has nothing to do with Bluray, seems like they just use bluray to hype the oled.

bluray is not dead in 5 years, HD movies hold lots of gigs some people have internet cap of only 20 gig a month so yeah.

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Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

TenP

Both companies "own" Blu-Ray, though. Along with several others

Link

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#8 Dreams-Visions
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But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

chikenfriedrice

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

Dreams-Visions

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

but I care and i'm the most important person in the world haha....but seriously idk if dd will replace having a physical disc ppl like their collections and everything will be HD and more ppl are buying HD tv's

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#10 POJO_MOFO
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Samsungs actual quote: "We are butt-hurt we didnt make enough money off of it" DVD has exactly been the norm for decades, hell it VHS outsold it until 2002!! So DVD has been the norm for a whopping 6 years!! Blu-ray will be dominate for circa 2010 or so I bet. I dont think digital distribution will be a contender until broadband becomes faster and cheaper.
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#11 violent_spinal
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Digital Distribution just doesn't seem that feasible.
Most people don't have THAT great of internet connection that would benefit from it.

Downloading something here, or there is nothing.
Relying on it as a sole means, hell no.

If Blu-Ray kicks the bucket in five years, DvD will still have it all.
DD will not be anything for a long while. A LONG WHILE. Certaintly not in 5years time.
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#12 True-Legend86
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I can guarantee you people digital distribution is not replacing Blu-Ray. There's too many problems that can arise out of digital distribution. Not to mention, its not very casual and friendly. Its still a looong...and I mean looong time before digital distribution is casual entertainment.

The Wii's success should teach a few people about casualness.

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The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

Dreams-Visions

I coudln't disagree with you more. I just don't see the majority every using this especially with the slow internet speeds we have stateside. Downloading HD movies takes days on my connection. I would rather just go to the store and buy them.

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#14 Czenkus
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The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

Dreams-Visions
My thoughts exactly, good post.
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

-Renegade

I coudln't disagree with you more. I just don't see the majority every using this especially with the slow internet speeds we have stateside. Downloading HD movies takes days on my connection. I would rather just go to the store and buy them.

I see. But you'll upgrade. Your service will upgrade. It's not like your internet connection is going to be slow forever.
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lets put it this way, blu ray will be the norm until people can download full good quality, good audio movies in under an hour legally, i know some people can do that right now, but it has to be the vast majority of people, not just the few who can afford it and are lucky enough to be able to, i think its gonna take more then 5 years for all of that to happen, but you never know
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5 years isnt too bad considering Blu Ray was "never gonna take off" last year. lol.
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#18 Il_Exile_lI
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I agree that DD is not very casual friendly, but neither is blu-ray. Not in terms of ease of use and complexity, but the fact that most people are not willing to pay $40 for a movie when they can rent it On Demand in HD for $6.
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Makes sense to me, but i think 5 years is when blu-ray manufacturers will start getting worried it will take time for sufficient internet bandwith to spread throughout the world and i think removable media will still be used for backup and gold copies though they may not be in the format you expect i.e flash drives.
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

chikenfriedrice

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

but I care and i'm the most important person in the world haha....but seriously idk if dd will replace having a physical disc ppl like their collections and everything will be HD and more ppl are buying HD tv's

This is of topic but who's the hot chick in your pic!

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I agree that DD is not very casual friendly, but neither is blu-ray. Not in terms of ease of use and complexity, but the fact that most people are not willing to pay $40 for a movie when they can rent it On Demand in HD for $6.Il_Exile_lI
That arguement makes NO sense because same can be said for buying a $15 DVD when you can rent it for $1, yet DVD still sells just fine. Blu-rays are already getting cheaper, a lot of the time you can find them at Wal-mart for between $25-$30 for new movies, Amazon also has really good deals. Its not like Blu-ray players/discs are going to be this expensive forever, DVD's were similiarly priced at this point in the lifecycle.
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Anyone thinking digital distribution will overcome physical media in the next 5 years is really fooling themselves. People like the shiny discs........most are uncomfortable with the idea of storing all their media on a harddrive.

If the future is hidef, digital distribution has a LONG ways to go before it competes with physical media.

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#23 markop2003
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Digital Distribution just doesn't seem that feasible.
Most people don't have THAT great of internet connection that would benefit from it.

Downloading something here, or there is nothing.
Relying on it as a sole means, hell no.

If Blu-Ray kicks the bucket in five years, DvD will still have it all.
DD will not be anything for a long while. A LONG WHILE. Certaintly not in 5years time.violent_spinal

systems have already been invented the work now is to just allow the super highspeed wifi wavelengths to be used and for financial backing for full fibre optic networks then eventually to arial laser transmission (though that's a long way off), one of the better solutions that results in 10x more bandwith is simple compression and encryption

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#24 dr-venkman
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LOL, Digital Distribution ain't replacing anything or making a dent for atleast ten years. And thats been very kind with that prediction. The biggest thing it will impact is sales of rentals. But, the majority (Huge majority) does not, and will not have high speed Internet within the next ten years. I'm just a regular guy who does pretty good with my job. I don't have high speed, and unless they want to upgrade me for free, I'm not going to get it. Internet providers already have problems with the current state. If everyone started downloading there dvd's, all the providers are going to have to do some major upgrade in their company. That costs a lot of money, therefor it ain't going to happen anytime soon. There's still plenty of people in North America who don't have th Internet. They're not going to risk losing all these customer's in exchange for tech savvy people with high speed. They're not going to let all those used stores all of a sudden go under. The government wants the stores. It provides ore jobs in the end. And it provides more money. Thats a good thing. I didn't even mention the compression problems and lack of lossless audio. Which, IMO, is the main reason to use Blu-Ray instead of using DD.
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#25 markop2003
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Anyone thinking digital distribution will overcome physical media in the next 5 years is really fooling themselves. People like the shiny discs........most are uncomfortable with the idea of storing all their media on a harddrive.

If the future is hidef, digital distribution has a LONG ways to go before it competes with physical media.

darthogre

i don't think they will store it on their hard drive, itll be storred on their acounts and they'll simply unlock it by buying it and then they'll stream it, much more casual friendly

STEAM works alot like this at the moment as you can download your games to any computer in the world and they're already looking at brining movies and music to the platform

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[QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"]I agree that DD is not very casual friendly, but neither is blu-ray. Not in terms of ease of use and complexity, but the fact that most people are not willing to pay $40 for a movie when they can rent it On Demand in HD for $6.POJO_MOFO
That arguement makes NO sense because same can be said for buying a $15 DVD when you can rent it for $1, yet DVD still sells just fine. Blu-rays are already getting cheaper, a lot of the time you can find them at Wal-mart for between $25-$30 for new movies, Amazon also has really good deals. Its not like Blu-ray players/discs are going to be this expensive forever, DVD's were similiarly priced at this point in the lifecycle.

Actually no, DVD's were about $10 cheaper at this point. What's funny is distribution costs for DVD were about $1-2 cheaper than they are CURRENTLY.....DVD's costs have actually gone up since it's first years. I remember buying the first DVD's and they were all priced $19.99 or below (best buy). It's true Blu-ray software is higher priced but I honestly can see the stuidos reducing the price sometime int he near future. It's impossible to keep such high prices and expect to have success. Even reducing the prices by $5 would be HUGE for sales.

What Blu-ray needs is a standard price of $150-$199 for cheap standalones with software prices of about $5 more than their DVD counterpart. If they can do that, Blu-ray will much better with consumers.

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It takes me 4 hours to download 2000 MB's, screw digital distribution.
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

duncancameron23

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

but I care and i'm the most important person in the world haha....but seriously idk if dd will replace having a physical disc ppl like their collections and everything will be HD and more ppl are buying HD tv's

This is of topic but who's the hot chick in your pic!

I actually have no idea lol but I loves her

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Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

TenP

Um... isn't Samsung part of the Bluray alliance, or coalition, or whatever they call it?

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BR will be irrelevant if they dont start lowering prices. Sure you can find good deals, but general retail is still mid 20 to 30$. Thats just un acceptable.
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[QUOTE="TenP"]

Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

dsmccracken

Um... isn't Samsung part of the Bluray alliance, or coalition, or whatever they call it?

Exactly what I was thinking...

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Anyone thinking digital distribution will overcome physical media in the next 5 years is really fooling themselves. People like the shiny discs........most are uncomfortable with the idea of storing all their media on a harddrive.

If the future is hidef, digital distribution has a LONG ways to go before it competes with physical media.

darthogre

That's a little naive. Say, when was the last time you saw a Discman? How about that iTunes thing that's killing physical stores/media? Aparently peopledon't like shiny discs anymore.

How long ago was it that downloading a single MP3 seemed to take forever? Guess what, the infrastructure constantly gets upgraded. The old 622Mb/s backbones are jumping to 10G and 40G already.

All that said...there will always be a need for some sort of physical media/storage. It's just not as clear anymore whether that will be a pile of discs, or a single harddrive. And don't give me that "buh...but HDDs can crash!". Yeah, well discs can be lost/scratched/broken too. And if providers like Steam are any indication, even if your HDD does crash...well, just redownload it from your account.

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Whats the point in having this in system wars. It does not deal with video games. Oh and by the way if you want HD movies than you gotta go with blu-ray. I dont see what the arguement is there.
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

Dreams-Visions

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

How do you know most people will not care? Link please

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I just download all my HD movies, so there is no need for me to get a blu-ray player.
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I just download all my HD movies, so there is no need for me to get a blu-ray player.FantasySports02

maybe if u see the quality difference between the 2 u might change ur mind

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Once internet has reached every corner of the globe, and at very fast speeds I doubt Digital Distro will rmean anything other than a large convience for consumers and a anoyance to established corperations like Blockbuster or even general electronics. The market depends on hard copies and so hard copies remain. Just as we have new idea for fule but we remain a oil run world.
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#38 atarigrad
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Hasn't Comcast already started limiting users internet time usage? I thought I saw a headline about that the other day. So if this becomes the norm. People won't waste there internet usage time on downloadable movies.
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Hasn't Comcast already started limiting users internet time usage? I thought I saw a headline about that the other day. So if this becomes the norm. People won't waste there internet usage time on downloadable movies. atarigrad

Yes, they are now limiting 4GB per month for downloads.

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[QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

chikenfriedrice

Most people will not care. And "the market" is reflected by them.

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

but I care and i'm the most important person in the world haha....but seriously idk if dd will replace having a physical disc ppl like their collections and everything will be HD and more ppl are buying HD tv's

This is of topic but who's the hot chick in your pic!

I actually have no idea lol but I loves her

Your chick dam! (can see why ya loves her) i could spend the rest of my life with that fine women

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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

Dreams-Visions

I coudln't disagree with you more. I just don't see the majority every using this especially with the slow internet speeds we have stateside. Downloading HD movies takes days on my connection. I would rather just go to the store and buy them.

I see. But you'll upgrade. Your service will upgrade. It's not like your internet connection is going to be slow forever.

we've had faster internet for a long time and people still have not upgraded and really don't want to. some people like me rather go to the store and buy the movie instead of using my computer. saying blu-ray won't last is like what people said last about blu ray last year . saying blu-ray will die and sony was foolish for putting it in. all of those people got owned when hd-dvd died making blu the only next gen player plus everymovie new release comes on blu-ray now.

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Just a question. Does anyone think Blu-Ray will be standard within two years?

Also, when would you consider something to be standard anyway?

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[QUOTE="FantasySports02"]I just download all my HD movies, so there is no need for me to get a blu-ray player.chikenfriedrice

maybe if u see the quality difference between the 2 u might change ur mind

Why would there be a quality difference? Both are HD.... 720p or 1080p

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I don't think net speeds will be reliable enough for people to want to download a movie with the sound and picture quality of a Blu-Ray movie 5 years from now. HDD space will have to be upped a lot from what the norm is today.

I think DD could work with the TV providers much like it already is as far as people paying for channels and movies on PPV. But as far as downloading 1080p movies with uncompressed sound I wouldn't worry about DD replacing Blu-Ray anytime soon.

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#45 chikenfriedrice
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="FantasySports02"]I just download all my HD movies, so there is no need for me to get a blu-ray player.FantasySports02

maybe if u see the quality difference between the 2 u might change ur mind

Why would there be a quality difference? Both are HD.... 720p or 1080p

dl'd HD movies are usually upscaled to HD and also a 1080P on a 1080P display looks better than 720P

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#46 DementedDragon
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5 years is an exaggeration, Digital Distribution won't be the way of the movie world for a lot longer than 5 years. If somehow Blu-Ray is unable to overtake DVD 5 years down the road, what makes them think Digital Distribution will do the trick? We're talking about a method i'm sure the majority of the public isn't even aware of.
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#47 GoldenGlove
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On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie.
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I hate DD for movies. I want something you can take with you, something you OWN, not just data on some harddrive.
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#49 DarkStar4565
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um, oled is a type of tv and has nothing to do with Bluray, seems like they just use bluray to hype the oled.

bluray is not dead in 5 years, HD movies hold lots of gigs some people have internet cap of only 20 gig a month so yeah.

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On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. GoldenGlove

People once said the same of albums.