Blu-Ray has 5 years left - Samsung

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. dsmccracken

People once said the same of albums.

People still buy albums. I do.

It owns to have all the original Massive Attack, Radiohead and Pearl Jam albums :D

Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

TenP

The other option is Blu-Ray rips that pop up on torrent sites. While they may not look as nice as a disc, they look better than upscaled DVD or over the air HD.

Studios need to come up with some sort of legal system for HD downloads or by the time digital distribution is big and undeniable, it will be run by pirates. Its hard to compete with free... especially when for years free (stolen free) was the only option people had.

The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

Dreams-Visions

I think you're wrong. Audiophiles and vidoephiles don't go to blockbuster to get their video's. Yet blu-rays are already in blockbuster. If blu-ray's weren't renting reasonable well, why would they still be at blockbuster? I think by 2010, blu-rays will start to sell at the same rate as DVD's and by 2013 blu-ray sales will begin to decline as DD starts to take over. (As in samsung is probably right)

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. dsmccracken

People once said the same of albums.

Very different, even before we had CD's. People liked to carry their music in a portable form like the walkman and cassettes. When people started downloading music, they could easily carry all their music in just one player, no CD or cassette to mess with. This same logic doesn't apply to DVD's/blu-rays because people don't care about the portablility of them nearly as much. They watch at home where getting a blu-ray or DD makes little difference to people. As compared to carrying around CD's and a CD player is vastly different from carrying a 1000 hours of music on just your ipod.

If ppv hasn't hurt dvd sales or even movie theater sales, then DD is not going to hurt bluray. Bottom line. Yall guys act as if this kind of stuff hasn't been around. Last I checked ppv has been around for geez how many years now lol. And people still buy dvd's, people still go to the theater. Not only that but bluray is a STORAGE device, its not only for movies. Heck right now I could back up everything on my pc with 2 discs lol. So with movies and storage there is a place for bluray, like it or not.

1 year or 2 into vhs's life my sisters first vhs player was $899. Think bluray is is doing just fine. Also my wal-mart couldn't keep Transformers bluray in stock the past 2 days :)

see above

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[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. munu9

People once said the same of albums.

Very different, even before we had CD's. People liked to carry their music in a portable form like the walkman and cassettes. When people started downloading music, they could easily carry all their music in just one player, no CD or cassette to mess with. This same logic doesn't apply to DVD's/blu-rays because people don't care about the portablility of them nearly as much. They watch at home where getting a blu-ray or DD makes little difference to people. As compared to carrying around CD's and a CD player is vastly different from carrying a 1000 hours of music on just your ipod.

I'd actually argue that people are LESS tied to the idea of video hardcopies. After all, the home video collection is a relatively new thing... within my lifetime (pretty much within just my adulthood), and I'm only 30. The idea of a music collection has much more history, is much more entrenched. If people have another easier medium, they'll go with it... believe me.

Think music is totally different, and once again storage size isn't even a issue with music to begin with. But not only that but the music industry has alot to do with downloadable songs on the rise.

Heck most bands now aren't nothing but one hit wonders lol. So why not buy a song here and a song there and just make your own cd. But movies you just don't download a chapter here and a chapter there. The music industry is the reason why music downloads have taken off. They put bands out on the market just because and so people don't respect their music to buy a full cd.

In my oppinion the music industry is at a horrible place in its history honestly.

I refuse to switch to any other format until the DVD is officially dead. They are still making DVDs for every movie.nintendoman562

I take it you had VHS until 4 years ago?

Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

TenP

[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]I refuse to switch to any other format until the DVD is officially dead. They are still making DVDs for every movie.Hewkii

I take it you had VHS until 4 years ago?

LOL! :lol:

Seriously, if you refuse to upgrade to a better format just because there's still support for the old format, it's because you're STUBBORN.

downloadable content won't be mainstream for a long time...number one you need a super hardrive connected to your television....number 2 people won't have the proper speeds in the majority of households to support such downloads...and people don't want to wait for an hour to dl something....hell lets wait till everyone moves up to hdtv in 5 or 6 yrs let alone be able to download large files like they are nothing...

i swear people are stupid...going to tmz pretty much confirms this....

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]I refuse to switch to any other format until the DVD is officially dead. They are still making DVDs for every movie.Timstuff

I take it you had VHS until 4 years ago?

LOL! :lol:

Seriously, if you refuse to upgrade to a better format just because there's still support for the old format, it's because you're STUBBORN.

Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

TenP

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

The masses will transition from DVD to Digital Distro.

Blu-Ray will have a Laserdisc experience. The audiophiles and videophiles will use it, but they are always the extreme minority.

I wouldn't even bet my money on Blu-Ray outliving DVD.

Dreams-Visions

I coudln't disagree with you more. I just don't see the majority every using this especially with the slow internet speeds we have stateside. Downloading HD movies takes days on my connection. I would rather just go to the store and buy them.

Actually, even if his speed is really fast, there will still be problems for other people. Just to give you an example, I have a very slow connection and I know that my speed will improve a lot in 5 years time, BUT since regulations on games are not the same everywhere, not all content will be available. I live in a small country in Central America and I can't download M rated games or content from Xbox Live marketplace because the server detects I'm outside of the U.S. and won't let me. I'm sure this is the case for many other people, so they will still have to use some kind of physical media if they want to reach a high amount of people buying their products.

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]I refuse to switch to any other format until the DVD is officially dead. They are still making DVDs for every movie.GunSmith1_basic

I take it you had VHS until 4 years ago?

LOL! :lol:

Seriously, if you refuse to upgrade to a better format just because there's still support for the old format, it's because you're STUBBORN.

Yeah.

I remember when pretty much every VHS forced you to watch movies full screen, even though that wasn't the correct aspect ratio for the majority of new films. DVD's on the other hand almost exclusively feature widescreen (unless it was shot full screen), or even both for the people ignorant enough to watch movies full screen.

The quality of DVD is still really good, especially when compared to VHS. Not making the jump from VHS to DVD is not the same as not making from DVD to Blu-Ray.

Sounds about right... (maybe even less)

For those talking about internet connections... wifi and lan lines are available almost everywhere in some shape or form. Services like Itune's and Netflix are exploding right now with no signs of slowing down. In the next five years DD will be the norm and disc's will be the thing for collectors.. I always reference this when someone knocks DD...

VG related.. Last gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

This gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

Exactly!

[QUOTE="TenP"]

Samsung is one of Sony's biggest competitors, would you expect them to rave all about their rival?

No.

Downloadable media will be the norm one day, but right now for HD you have the choice between Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray.

Senor_Kami

The other option is Blu-Ray rips that pop up on torrent sites. While they may not look as nice as a disc, they look better than upscaled DVD or over the air HD.

Studios need to come up with some sort of legal system for HD downloads or by the time digital distribution is big and undeniable, it will be run by pirates. Its hard to compete with free... especially when for years free (stolen free) was the only option people had.

Ohh snap I have been sig'd :lol:

Did that statement have anything else with it (don't remember the thread)? I meant relative to the SNES Mario games, NES ones were generally bad; since I entered gaming at the SNES and going back to play all stars with it's sanded matte graphics and slightly dated gameplay made me dislike it. The original Marios had bad music compared to the SNES one (which makes me dissapointed at how the newer Mario games keep the old style).

Anyway, keep it there lol.

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As for this blu-ray thing. My opinion here is that digital distribution is gradually inevitable, but at the same time, I doubt people will like owning a copy of something they can't touch (like vista in ready-builts:evil: ), me included.

Sounds about right... (maybe even less)

For those talking about internet connections... wifi and lan lines are available almost everywhere in some shape or form. Services like Itune's and Netflix are exploding right now with no signs of slowing down. In the next five years DD will be the norm and disc's will be the thing for collectors.. I always reference this when someone knocks DD...

VG related.. Last gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

This gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

Exactly!

OhSnapitz

DD will never work with HD content! I have a 20gig max download per month, and then I pay 7$ more each gigs added... nobody in his right mind is gona pay for that.

the problem with digital distribution is that as internet improves, the size of the files we'd need to download will increase with it. This might not be a real issue with movies and to a greater extent, music, but video games have a clear progression upwards in terms of memory demandsGunSmith1_basic

So have movies... 1080p with uncompressed sound needs alot of space.

VG related.. Last gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

This gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

Exactly!

OhSnapitz

What do you mean by last gen? 5 years ago? I had nearly zero downloade material. Now? Maybe about 15% of my collection is downloaded material. And I'm being liberal. At this rate, DD should take over by 2018 :)

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Sounds about right... (maybe even less)

For those talking about internet connections... wifi and lan lines are available almost everywhere in some shape or form. Services like Itune's and Netflix are exploding right now with no signs of slowing down. In the next five years DD will be the norm and disc's will be the thing for collectors.. I always reference this when someone knocks DD...

VG related.. Last gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

This gen how many movies, games, theme's ect.. did you purchase online/DL..

Exactly!

Bebi_vegeta

DD will never work with HD content! I have a 20gig max download per month, and then I pay 7$ more each gigs added... nobody in his right mind is gona pay for that.

And people forget that those restrictions are there for a reason. Our infrastructure can only support so much bandwidth, and upgrading it is very costly and time consuming.

And if you're in a rural area, heaven help you.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. dsmccracken

People once said the same of albums.

And oddly enough, Albums, as in Records are making a comeback.

People still like having physical media. MS has talked about DD for it's games for consoles, but how many people want that? Have the connection for that? The HDD space for that?

People don't seem to realize just how big the US, and other countries are. Establishing Highspeed connections nationwide takes an incredible amount of time. There are outlining areas where I live that still don't have good highspeed options.

Will MS, Sony and Nintendo risk alienating their next generation user base by going purely digital? Their relationship with Brick and Mortar stores?

Will movie studios completely abandon that market?

Bluray's biggest problem is it's prices, and that will hurt it far more than DD ever could.

Expect DD to be mainstream in at least 10 years.

Anything less and your dreaming.

Oh and I like owning things, Pretty sure I'm not alone on that.

They are an electronic developer, they are suppossed to push new technology even if its not necessarily realistic because they wont make much money when everyone has a Blu ray player and every electronic developer has one in the market. Thats why electronic developers look for the next big thing. Of course that doesnt mean that every assumption is correct mind you, Samsung did come out with a very expensive HD DVD/Blu ray combo player that sold poorly and had an expensive price tag because they assumed the war would be longer.

I am sure Samsung HOPES Blu ray doesnt live longer then 5 years and they can push the next new batch of electronics that stream movies via the internet and probably HDTVs with this capability built in but realistically DD is a pipe dream now. As many have said, broad band is not available everywhere and not cheap. Comcast and other cap downloads to save money under the guise of anti piracy and maintaining severs that can handle millions of downloads every week is not realistic now. And streaming will not be a viable option because then you dont own the movie and if your internet is down then you dont have access to your movie collection.

The next time someone posts that DD will be mainstream or the next big thing in five years, ask yourself, DO YOU SEE YOUR MOM, DAD, GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER buying all of their movies via the internet. Do you see these people owning high high speed internet, terabytes worth of memory and internet hooked up to the living room. DO you honestly see this picture in five years. I am sure the answer is NO for most.

According to a new press release from SonyPictures Home Entertainment and PNY, the two companies have teamed up to release a 2GB USB flash drive that includes, for the first time ever, a full-length feature film already pre-loaded.

The movie is the classic hit Ghostbustersstarring Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd and the companies say the file can be played right from the drive.

Andy Armstrong, UK, Managing Director for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment added in the release, "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment is delighted to partner with PNY to offer the first full length movie preloaded on a USB flash drive and ready to play on your PC/Laptop. We are committed to giving the consumer more choice in how to experience their movies either at home or on the go."

PNY says the drive is available now, but there was no word on price and it is not yet available on their official site.

SourceAfterdawn

Not digital distribution, but the beginning of the end.

The next time someone posts that DD will be mainstream or the next big thing in five years, ask yourself, DO YOU SEE YOUR MOM, DAD, GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER buying all of their movies via the internet. Do you see these people owning high high speed internet, terabytes worth of memory and internet hooked up to the living room. DO you honestly see this picture in five years. I am sure the answer is NO for most. Javy03

I'm sure everyone would swear up and down that old people would never own a video game console for their own use. Then the Wii came out.

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. kryloc

People once said the same of albums.

And oddly enough, Albums, as in Records are making a comeback.

People still like having physical media. MS has talked about DD for it's games for consoles, but how many people want that? Have the connection for that? The HDD space for that?

People don't seem to realize just how big the US, and other countries are. Establishing Highspeed connections nationwide takes an incredible amount of time. There are outlining areas where I live that still don't have good highspeed options.

Will MS, Sony and Nintendo risk alienating their next generation user base by going purely digital? Their relationship with Brick and Mortar stores?

Will movie studios completely abandon that market?

Bluray's biggest problem is it's prices, and that will hurt it far more than DD ever could.

Expect DD to be mainstream in at least 10 years.

Anything less and your dreaming.

Oh and I like owning things, Pretty sure I'm not alone on that.

I've read about a modest comeback for DJs and audiophiles. Not toppling the illegally downloading Ipod masses.

People seem will like physical media until the exact moment that another quicker/cheaper/more convenient delivery system presents itself. I don't know when that is, but it is coming.

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

Jd1680a

Blu-ray will soon reach 400GB....

[QUOTE="Jd1680a"]

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

Bebi_vegeta

Blu-ray will soon reach 400GB....

If a blank 25gb Blu-Ray cost $15 or more, how much will a 400gb disc cost? I purchased a 500gb USB2 HDD for $109.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Jd1680a"]

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

Senor_Kami

Blu-ray will soon reach 400GB....

If a blank 25gb Blu-Ray cost $15 or more, how much will a 400gb disc cost? I purchased a 500gb USB2 HDD for $109.

Hey I never said nothing about price... as I have no idea. Blu ray has yet to be mainstream anyways.

But saying blu-ray is outdated, that's insane.

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

Jd1680a

On demand is not available everywhere and only hurst RENTING, not buing. DVRs with replaceable HDD wont save a collector from losing his entire collection due to one HDD crash. You seem to think that flash memory will replace disk yet somehow you think this is moving foward? So instead of an easy to carry and use disk you think flash is the future. I see no difference. There will be so many problems with DD, and flash drive use because that would make piracy easier since the movies you speak of will be able to go on any flash drive.

DD will be useful for renting but as long as people still go gaga for collectors box sets and special features, DD will stay just a pipe dream. NOt even mentioning the other factors that would need to be fixed for it to be a reality.

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

Dreams-Visions

otherwise, DVD-A would be the choice for music and we'd probably STILL be using BETA tapes for video.

I think your underestimating the 35 year olds and younger crowd and their hunger for beter graphics, higher resoulutions.

I've never quite understood the desire to own lots of boxes of discs - to me it is just a bunch of clutter. I already buy all of my PC games online - I will def do the same with consoles next gen if they start offering DDs of every games released. I haven't bought a CD since I've had the ability to buy music online. I saw the light around '97 when I started ripping all of my CDs into MP3s. Content accessible from a central location is just plain convenient. I already use DD for my movies and don't intend to buy another DVD/Blu Ray disc again. Netflix, iTunes, the XBox 360 and most cable boxes all allow you to watch movies on demand. I bet Sony joins the fray soon with the PS3 (if they haven't already).

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]On top of this, NOTHING will replace being able to have a hardcopy of a movie. kryloc

People once said the same of albums.

And oddly enough, Albums, as in Records are making a comeback.

People still like having physical media. MS has talked about DD for it's games for consoles, but how many people want that? Have the connection for that? The HDD space for that?

People don't seem to realize just how big the US, and other countries are. Establishing Highspeed connections nationwide takes an incredible amount of time. There are outlining areas where I live that still don't have good highspeed options.

Will MS, Sony and Nintendo risk alienating their next generation user base by going purely digital? Their relationship with Brick and Mortar stores?

Will movie studios completely abandon that market?

Bluray's biggest problem is it's prices, and that will hurt it far more than DD ever could.

Expect DD to be mainstream in at least 10 years.

Anything less and your dreaming.

Oh and I like owning things, Pretty sure I'm not alone on that.

[QUOTE="Jd1680a"]

Blu-ray is already outdate and completely worthless. On demand television and DVRs with replaceable hard drives will make the portable media era obsolete. Hard drives can record media at any format and all resolutions, from DVD to Ultra HD.

On top of that those flash memory and flash drives are already 32 gigs of space. Wait until they cost $5 each. 32 gigs is about the amount of space on a Blu-ray disc. Distribution of software will be soon on flash memory.

Javy03

On demand is not available everywhere and only hurst RENTING, not buing. DVRs with replaceable HDD wont save a collector from losing his entire collection due to one HDD crash. You seem to think that flash memory will replace disk yet somehow you think this is moving foward? So instead of an easy to carry and use disk you think flash is the future. I see no difference. There will be so many problems with DD, and flash drive use because that would make piracy easier since the movies you speak of will be able to go on any flash drive.

DD will be useful for renting but as long as people still go gaga for collectors box sets and special features, DD will stay just a pipe dream. NOt even mentioning the other factors that would need to be fixed for it to be a reality.

At the moment you are able to rent movies on On Demand. What about if it was modified so you can rent or buy movies and store them on the HDD? Movie distributors are looking for new avenues in selling entertainment content. If 5,000,000 people have DVRs and On Demand, that would be a great market opporunity.

Steam and Direct2drive already have a safety net if you were to buy material from their websites. All paid for material can be redownloaded infinite amount of times. This feature can be added on to On Demand if ever people were to start buying movies.

About flash memory. You said it, some people dont have On Demand. If those people who choose not to get On Demand then they could still get their movies from a flash memory. it would be a cost saving for distributors in shipping costs. Those little flash memories would weigh less. Shipping a million copies on a disc adds up to big costs, if those costs were cut 20% thats more profit for the distributor. Plus they could always make flash memory with coded software included so it would make it harder for piracy.

Digital Distribution wont be the only way. It will just be an option for people to choose to get their entertainment through On Demand or at a store. PC gamers have this same option right now.

One thing that could be true is the box itself. Imagine if Sony were to produce DVRs that you will never need to be replaced? Sony would go broke without a new generation of machines for people to buy and keep their money coming in. This would be the only flaw with DVRs with replaceable hard drives.

But digital distrubution doesn't have the same picture quality as Bluray and HDDVD and that's what I care about

chikenfriedrice

says who? a 1tb hdd could have a much better looking movie than blu ray