Blu-ray, NOT just for CGI anymore:)

First off, God of War 3 uses NO CGI at all(not even higher polygon models for cutscenes). The gameplay and cutscenes use the exact same assets.

http://www.playstationuniversity.com/sony-no-cg-cutscenes-in-god-of-war-iii-2512/

So surely this game will easily fit on a single layer 25GB Blu-ray disc right?

WRONG, 35GB on a dual-layer disc.

http://www.thelostgamer.com/2010/02/21/god-of-war-iii-utilises-35gb-of-blu-ray-space/

That's 35GB of game data ONLY.

PS3 haters say that the only games that will ever need that much space are jrpg's with tons of CGI cutscenes(and with FFXIII they were right, LOL).

I wonder what they will say now??? I'm sure we'll find out in about 10 seconds when they flood in here like they plague:twisted:

2 games out of 300, 3 years down the line..Awesome!

Presumably it's because of uncompressed audio.

id's Rage is a whopping terabyte fully uncompressed, but it's not like it's going to ship on 20 Blu-Rays and 150 DVD9s.

2 games out of 300, 3 years down the line..Awesome!

heretrix

pretty sure more than 2 games are equal to or larger than a full single layer blu ray,

lol we'll see if it has no CGI, the game had CGI in the past it will have CGI cutscenes now.

*talking of the god of war series which had cgi in the past*

Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.FIipMode

Those are two contradictory words there...

Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.FIipMode

Can't say I agree. Bluray drove the cost of making the system up, caused the outrageous launch price (which cemented it in 3rd place for years) and has caused sony not to make a profit on the PS3.

Bluray is nice, but I don't think it was a great idea for the PS3.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.Modern_Unit

Those are two contradictory words there...

:lol: I gotta admit that was funny :|

Blu rays are the future for example games that should have or have used more than 8gb - dvd9 dl.

Killzone2

Uncharteds

GOW3

MGS4

FFXIII

lost oddessy - used 4 dvd dls

MAG

Resistance2

Mostly all the ps3 exclusives lol fail at haze

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

2 games out of 300, 3 years down the line..Awesome!

z4twenny

pretty sure more than 2 games are equal to or larger than a full single layer blu ray,

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.Pixel-Pirate

Can't say I agree. Bluray drove the cost of making the system up, caused the outrageous launch price (which cemented it in 3rd place for years) and has caused sony not to make a profit on the PS3.

Bluray is nice, but I don't think it was a great idea for the PS3.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.Pixel-Pirate

Can't say I agree. Bluray drove the cost of making the system up, caused the outrageous launch price (which cemented it in 3rd place for years) and has caused sony not to make a profit on the PS3.

Bluray is nice, but I don't think it was a great idea for the PS3.

maybe, but the games are starting to really make use of that extra space and me personallyi can tell. i can appreciate that if it makes sense, it was a trade. like heavy rain, i have no idea the size if that game but im thinking its at least a full blu ray, i know ff13 is and can only assume vs13 will be at least 1 normal full blu ray (though that game is so far off theres really no telling) in the long run i think if nothing else its good for the games that use it.

i was in the boy scouts when i was a kid and im a big believer in "its better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it"

The storage medium isn't that important, especially this gen. When games evolve and get to the point when even compressed they take up 30GB, then yes, Blu-Ray will be great.

DD will eventually take the mantell, but that is soem way off.

Also, most of that data is uncompressed and or cloned data to make the game run faster. A lot, if not all PS3 games clone huge amounts of key data to get around the somewhat low disk speeds of the PS3 blu-ray drive

Ah great, this game just seems so awesome.

World of warcraft takes up 25GB on my PC with 2 massive expansions and a wicked art style ;) Wasting all that space with uncompressed sound and 2048x2048 textures at 12mb a pop :roll:toxicmog

THIS!!!

I would love one of you cows to explain why these PS3 exclusives require more space than a DVD9 other than uncompressed sound and cutscene movie sequences. It's not like the PS3 can handle particularly large textures because it can't! Its certainly not tons and tons of game content as most game assets are repeated. Things like game code for animation and post processing effects take up very little room and lets not forget the game code, as with texture maps and normal maps can be very efficiently compressed....where is this extra storage capacitybeing used??

Or maybe, just maybe they havent even bothered to compress the game and its a subtle bit of marketing by Sony and their first party devs ??

They will say that it's because they haven't compressed anything, like audio files, same as with MGS4. bobbetybob

The storage medium isn't that important, especially this gen. When games evolve and get to the point when even compressed they take up 30GB, then yes, Blu-Ray will be great.

DD will eventually take the mantell, but that is soem way off.

Also, most of that data is uncompressed and or cloned data to make the game run faster. A lot, if not all PS3 games clone huge amounts of key data to get around the somewhat low disk speeds of the PS3 blu-ray drive

-Snooze-

this is both true and false.

the true part is that they do need to copy a lot of data on the disc( because of seek time and the size of the data it can hold on the disc), but the read speed is almost as fast as the 360 drive, if you look at the average read speed of the drives..

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]They will say that it's because they haven't compressed anything, like audio files, same as with MGS4. MetalGearSolidZ

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

The storage medium isn't that important, especially this gen. When games evolve and get to the point when even compressed they take up 30GB, then yes, Blu-Ray will be great.

DD will eventually take the mantell, but that is soem way off.

Also, most of that data is uncompressed and or cloned data to make the game run faster. A lot, if not all PS3 games clone huge amounts of key data to get around the somewhat low disk speeds of the PS3 blu-ray drive

tumle

this is both true and false.

the true part is that they do need to copy a lot of data, on the disc but, the read speed is almost as fast as the 360 drive, if you look at the average read speed of the drives..

Whereas Blu-Ray always has a constant read speed.

[QUOTE="toxicmog"]World of warcraft takes up 25GB on my PC with 2 massive expansions and a wicked art style ;) Wasting all that space with uncompressed sound and 2048x2048 textures at 12mb a pop :roll:DAZZER7

THIS!!!

I would love one of you cows to explain why these PS3 exclusives require more space than a DVD9 other than uncompressed sound and cutscene movie sequences. It's not like the PS3 can handle particularly large textures because it can't! Its certainly not tons and tons of game content as most game assets are repeated. Things like game code for animation and post processing effects take up very little room and lets not forget the game code, as with texture maps and normal maps can be very efficiently compressed....where is this extra storage capacitybeing used??

Or maybe, just maybe they havent even bothered to compress the game and its a subtle bit of marketing by Sony and their first party devs ??

[QUOTE="tumle"]

this is both true and false.

the true part is that they do need to copy a lot of data, on the disc but, the read speed is almost as fast as the 360 drive, if you look at the average read speed of the drives..

SaltyMeatballs

Whereas Blu-Ray always has a constant read speed.

sure, but I don't think the bluray drive and its speed in the PS3 is such a big problem as many, make it out to be, and as MS is looking much in to better compression methods, i think Sony is looking to make better stream coding(streaming of the disc) they both have there advantages and disadvantages.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="toxicmog"]World of warcraft takes up 25GB on my PC with 2 massive expansions and a wicked art style ;) Wasting all that space with uncompressed sound and 2048x2048 textures at 12mb a pop :roll:MetalGearSolidZ

THIS!!!

I would love one of you cows to explain why these PS3 exclusives require more space than a DVD9 other than uncompressed sound and cutscene movie sequences. It's not like the PS3 can handle particularly large textures because it can't! Its certainly not tons and tons of game content as most game assets are repeated. Things like game code for animation and post processing effects take up very little room and lets not forget the game code, as with texture maps and normal maps can be very efficiently compressed....where is this extra storage capacitybeing used??

Or maybe, just maybe they havent even bothered to compress the game and its a subtle bit of marketing by Sony and their first party devs ??

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.FIipMode

Can't say I agree. Bluray drove the cost of making the system up, caused the outrageous launch price (which cemented it in 3rd place for years) and has caused sony not to make a profit on the PS3.

Bluray is nice, but I don't think it was a great idea for the PS3.

While they may end up making a profit in the end, it's basically set in stone they will be last in terms of profits. It is quite possible they could move up to 2nd in sales, however.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="toxicmog"]World of warcraft takes up 25GB on my PC with 2 massive expansions and a wicked art style ;) Wasting all that space with uncompressed sound and 2048x2048 textures at 12mb a pop :roll:MetalGearSolidZ

THIS!!!

I would love one of you cows to explain why these PS3 exclusives require more space than a DVD9 other than uncompressed sound and cutscene movie sequences. It's not like the PS3 can handle particularly large textures because it can't! Its certainly not tons and tons of game content as most game assets are repeated. Things like game code for animation and post processing effects take up very little room and lets not forget the game code, as with texture maps and normal maps can be very efficiently compressed....where is this extra storage capacitybeing used??

Or maybe, just maybe they havent even bothered to compress the game and its a subtle bit of marketing by Sony and their first party devs ??

MGS4 has no compression and tons,of pointless HD video. The start of the game is about 9 channels of random HD nonsense ...

Let's not claim DVD9 is useless using a CGI movie coupled with a game as evidence

Most of the games this gen fits on one DVD, but I beleive that most singleplayer campaigns this gen has been held back by the 6.8GB limit on the X360, in addition to the extra fee's when the devs are using multiple discs. We see alot of bactracking, similar environments, bad sound quality, and in some cases lowered texture quality.

But a game like GoW would be possible to devide into several discs with lowered sound quality anyways. The problems with the DVD9 arises when you are making an openworld game, because using multiple discs there would be a problem. Unless they force installs, but MS can't do that since not all X360's has an HDD. Which is another fault the X360 has.

[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

THIS!!!

I would love one of you cows to explain why these PS3 exclusives require more space than a DVD9 other than uncompressed sound and cutscene movie sequences. It's not like the PS3 can handle particularly large textures because it can't! Its certainly not tons and tons of game content as most game assets are repeated. Things like game code for animation and post processing effects take up very little room and lets not forget the game code, as with texture maps and normal maps can be very efficiently compressed....where is this extra storage capacitybeing used??

Or maybe, just maybe they havent even bothered to compress the game and its a subtle bit of marketing by Sony and their first party devs ??

heretrix

Yeah and end up with raiden as a character lol Oh yeah. You know if you played MGS4 you wouldnt want any of it compressed or cut out. So why pretend you would. And so you odnt have to swap the discs you play ffxii on your ps3

Isn't anyone going to ask what it is doing with that space? Cows seem to care more about it using that much space rather than why it needs that much, they use these large file sizes as evidence Blu-ray is needed; but don't care about the contents of that space.

Take Killzone 2 for example which apparently needed 2GB of space per level, what the hell was that space being used for?

Isn't anyone going to ask what it is doing with that space? Cows seem to care more about it using that much space rather than why it needs that much, they use these large file sizes as evidence Blu-ray is needed; but don't care about the contents of that space.

Take Killzone 2 for example which apparently needed 2GB of space per level, what the hell was that space being used for?

AnnoyedDragon

All the graphics and asplosions and characaters and background walls and stuff an sound effects too

All the graphics and asplosions and characaters and background walls and stuff an sound effects too

JGAMROT

That's not an explanation, that's just a general list of things all games have, on Blu-ray or DVD.

Isn't anyone going to ask what it is doing with that space? Cows seem to care more about it using that much space rather than why it needs that much, they use these large file sizes as evidence Blu-ray is needed; but don't care about the contents of that space.

Take Killzone 2 for example which apparently needed 2GB of space per level, what the hell was that space being used for?

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"] well, think about it this way. MGS4s amazing story would be on 12 disks for DVD 9 and lol @ FF13 for 360. Blu ray is so much more useful than DVD9 to get an overall better experience JGAMROT

Yeah and end up with raiden as a character lol Oh yeah. You know if you played MGS4 you wouldnt want any of it compressed or cut out. So why pretend you would. And so you odnt have to swap the discs you play ffxii on your ps3

I didn't say it would be my choice, I'm just pointing out a possible solution.

Isn't anyone going to ask what it is doing with that space? Cows seem to care more about it using that much space rather than why it needs that much, they use these large file sizes as evidence Blu-ray is needed; but don't care about the contents of that space.

Take Killzone 2 for example which apparently needed 2GB of space per level, what the hell was that space being used for?

AnnoyedDragon

Well I don't think I will get this game anymore, I was going to buy it for the CGI cutscenes but now...now I'm not so sure!siLVURcross

This was something they stated a long time ago while developing, the demo was'nt very big in size so I guess they compressed it, hehe. We know PS3 exclusives uses the space for higher quality sound and for faster loading. But I would think that the devs won't have to sit and plan what they can and cannot have in the game, like so many other devs this gen needs to.

Martin_G_N

It cannot just be for uncompressed sound and such, because Cows are declaring this is evidence Blu-ray is needed; and uncompressed sound isnt needed. None of them seem to care what this space is being used for as long as it is being used, it could be blank files to discourage online distribution for all they care.

PC gamers have access to considerably more storage space than console gamers. But if a game were to be released on PC that required 35GB of space; people would be criticising the developers to high heaven. When The Force Unleashed was announced to use 24GB on PC; PC gamers bashed the developers to hell for their inefficiency, 35GB is taking the mick.

Games requiring bloated storage space is a bad thing to PC gamers, it should have the same meaning on consoles; but Cows are out to prove Blu-ray is required today.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

This was something they stated a long time ago while developing, the demo was'nt very big in size so I guess they compressed it, hehe. We know PS3 exclusives uses the space for higher quality sound and for faster loading. But I would think that the devs won't have to sit and plan what they can and cannot have in the game, like so many other devs this gen needs to.

AnnoyedDragon

It cannot just be for uncompressed sound and such, because Cows are declaring this is evidence Blu-ray is needed; and uncompressed sound isnt needed. None of them seem to care what this space is being used for as long as it is being used, it could be blank files to discourage online distribution for all they care.

PC gamers have access to considerably more storage space than console gamers. But if a game were to be released on PC that required 35GB of space; people would be criticising the developers to high heaven. When The Force Unleashed was announced to use 24GB on PC; PC gamers bashed the developers to hell for their inefficiency, 35GB is taking the mick.

Games requiring bloated storage space is a bad thing to PC gamers, it should have the same meaning on consoles; but Cows are out to prove Blu-ray is required today.

They will say that it's because they haven't compressed anything, like audio files, same as with MGS4. bobbetybob

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

This was something they stated a long time ago while developing, the demo was'nt very big in size so I guess they compressed it, hehe. We know PS3 exclusives uses the space for higher quality sound and for faster loading. But I would think that the devs won't have to sit and plan what they can and cannot have in the game, like so many other devs this gen needs to.

HuusAsking

It cannot just be for uncompressed sound and such, because Cows are declaring this is evidence Blu-ray is needed; and uncompressed sound isnt needed. None of them seem to care what this space is being used for as long as it is being used, it could be blank files to discourage online distribution for all they care.

PC gamers have access to considerably more storage space than console gamers. But if a game were to be released on PC that required 35GB of space; people would be criticising the developers to high heaven. When The Force Unleashed was announced to use 24GB on PC; PC gamers bashed the developers to hell for their inefficiency, 35GB is taking the mick.

Games requiring bloated storage space is a bad thing to PC gamers, it should have the same meaning on consoles; but Cows are out to prove Blu-ray is required today.

First, What do you mean by stuff, and second, the compression would have to be taken into question....

But, to play devil's advocate, what if that 24GB was honest, already-compressed stuff?HuusAsking

Remember that game was also on 360, so there's an example the game can operate fine without that bloat.

Saying Blu-ray is not needed is like saying better graphics is not needed, or textures, lighting, animation etc etc. If such things help developers realise their vision when making games then who are we to say its not needed? oh right SW is full of well known games developers :|

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.Modern_Unit

Those are two contradictory words there...

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Sony was smart to use Blu-Ray as a storage medium this gen. Can't wait to play this game.samuraiguns

Those are two contradictory words there...

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

Those are two contradictory words there...

siLVURcross

lol, actually PS2 BC was very smart the fact they took that out in the later models was very stupid of them, but I guess they had to cut cost since Blu-ray was really expensive when PS3 started off.