Blu-ray...... two years later

Oh...you mean the same game that's coming out on the PC, PS3 AND 360. Yeah, what about it? Multiple disc doesn't make a game bad. Not one bit. and beside this......

"However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers."

says something about the PS3's hardware as well. Don't act like the PS3's BR tech is even enough to save it from it's massive faults in other areas of design.

Nedemis

That still doesn't negate the fact that he said BR is better. This discussion is about BR, not which console is best from a development standpoint. You're missing the entire point.

BR is showing it's advantages with Rage. BR will allow higher res textures fro Rage resulting in a slightly better looking game in certain areas. BR has already proven that it is a better format. It's up to devs to show it.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="stiltzsy"]

BluRay == not worth it. I have a 110" projector and a good quality DVD leaves me plenty satisfied. HD DVD (when it was in) and BluRay really don't make the picture *that* much better. At least not worth buying a new player for the mainstream. It took HDTVs a long time to take off...and they are still not in most homes. Look for BluRay to take just as long, but the problem will be that digital distribution will trump it.

Dish TV has 1080p on-demand videos. The difference between a typical bluray and typical 1080p digital distribution movie won't be noticed on most consumer HDTVs (especially with most of them being 720P sets).

stiltzsy

DD needs alot more to "trump it". Like everyone having broadband internet or higher, lack of caps on downloads like Comcast is trying to implement, large cheap HDD, etc..

On demand videos has been around for a while, well before HD or even DVD. Those only hurt the renting market, not the owning market, and as for most consumers, it will not be easy to convince them to store all their movies on a HDD and use their computer to download them with an internet connection to your player.

People like the ease of having a TV, a player and a disk and you have movie watching. Not a TV, a player, interent, HDD, computer, etc.

I disagree DD is starting to give more options to consumers. Like saving to a hard drive and playing whenever you want. But the real option for bluRay is in personal home videos that are in HD. As personal HD camcorders take off they'll want to keep the full resolution and store them on bluray. Then they'll need to play those movies on their TVs. Personal camcorders will drive bluray sales into the mainstream more than people wanting to buy movies for a 2nd time.

DD are not giving those options because the more popular the get the more anti piracy locks are implemented to ensure people can't share like limiting the amount of time you can reupload the file, etc.. Saving on a HDD is hardly a huge advantage, HDDs crash all the time and I would flip if my 500 movie collection was in a HDD and I lost it all. Even if I was able to redownload all of them that would take forever. NOt even mentioning how prevelant special features are getting which you dont get with DD movies most of the time.

DD also limits where you can play it, as oppossed to hardcopyies where I can play it on any blu ray machine including my car do I have to have it in a travel HDD to watch it in my car, will they even allow it. Personal Camcorder wont drive blu ray sales to success the need for more space will overall. Everything is becoming HD, pictures, movies, etc. and that all takes extra space and thats where blu ray will come in. Movies however will lower the price as it makes it more and more mainstream seeing as more people pick up a movie as opppossed to an HD camcorder and make home movies.

DD are not giving those options because the more popular the get the more anti piracy locks are implemented to ensure people can't share like limiting the amount of time you can reupload the file, etc.. Saving on a HDD is hardly a huge advantage, HDDs crash all the time and I would flip if my 500 movie collection was in a HDD and I lost it all. Even if I was able to redownload all of them that would take forever. NOt even mentioning how prevelant special features are getting which you dont get with DD movies most of the time.

DD also limits where you can play it, as oppossed to hardcopyies where I can play it on any blu ray machine including my car do I have to have it in a travel HDD to watch it in my car, will they even allow it. Personal Camcorder wont drive blu ray sales to success the need for more space will overall. Everything is becoming HD, pictures, movies, etc. and that all takes extra space and thats where blu ray will come in. Movies however will lower the price as it makes it more and more mainstream seeing as more people pick up a movie as opppossed to an HD camcorder and make home movies.

Javy03

BluRay is limited on where you can play it and has a ton of DRM on them as well. I can't play that bluray at a house without a bluray player. I can play some DRM managed DD if they have a PC.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

DD are not giving those options because the more popular the get the more anti piracy locks are implemented to ensure people can't share like limiting the amount of time you can reupload the file, etc.. Saving on a HDD is hardly a huge advantage, HDDs crash all the time and I would flip if my 500 movie collection was in a HDD and I lost it all. Even if I was able to redownload all of them that would take forever. NOt even mentioning how prevelant special features are getting which you dont get with DD movies most of the time.

DD also limits where you can play it, as oppossed to hardcopyies where I can play it on any blu ray machine including my car do I have to have it in a travel HDD to watch it in my car, will they even allow it. Personal Camcorder wont drive blu ray sales to success the need for more space will overall. Everything is becoming HD, pictures, movies, etc. and that all takes extra space and thats where blu ray will come in. Movies however will lower the price as it makes it more and more mainstream seeing as more people pick up a movie as opppossed to an HD camcorder and make home movies.

stiltzsy

BluRay is limited on where you can play it and has a ton of DRM on them as well. I can't play that bluray at a house without a bluray player. I can play some DRM managed DD if they have a PC.

What about Mac, obviously in order to play a blu ray movie you need the player but thats your only limition. Right now I have an Archos MP3 player but it can't play those digital movies because the DRM is not compatible with my mp3 player. Even though mine is much better then an Ipod that or other mp3 compatible players is what I would need.

My point is DD really has no benefit, its not safer, its not widely available, its not easier to travel with, maybe it might be faster then going to the store but then again I can order my movies online so I dont have to go to the store either. All it does is take the ownership away from me. I dont have a hardcopy anymore and I would never be happy with that.

What about Mac, obviously in order to play a blu ray movie you need the player but thats your only limition. Right now I have an Archos MP3 player but it can't play those digital movies because the DRM is not compatible with my mp3 player. Even though mine is much better then an Ipod that or other mp3 compatible players is what I would need.

My point is DD really has no benefit, its not safer, its not widely available, its not easier to travel with, maybe it might be faster then going to the store but then again I can order my movies online so I dont have to go to the store either. All it does is take the ownership away from me. I dont have a hardcopy anymore and I would never be happy with that.

Javy03

I agree. DD will definitely become bigger than what it is today, but nothing will ever take over hardcopies. When will the average person be able to download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality movie online within 30 minutes?

Until then DD won't be nearly as big as owning a hardcopy.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

What about Mac, obviously in order to play a blu ray movie you need the player but thats your only limition. Right now I have an Archos MP3 player but it can't play those digital movies because the DRM is not compatible with my mp3 player. Even though mine is much better then an Ipod that or other mp3 compatible players is what I would need.

My point is DD really has no benefit, its not safer, its not widely available, its not easier to travel with, maybe it might be faster then going to the store but then again I can order my movies online so I dont have to go to the store either. All it does is take the ownership away from me. I dont have a hardcopy anymore and I would never be happy with that.

Episode_Eve

I agree. DD will definitely become bigger than what it is today, but nothing will ever take over hardcopies. When will the average person be able to download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality movie online within 30 minutes?

Until then DD won't be nearly as big as owning a hardcopy.

....exactly with all the special features. DD will dent the renting market but thats it, I dont see it taking over the home movie owning market.

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="pakman3000"][QUOTE="SporkFireXPS"]

[QUOTE="pakman3000"]

No game on BluRay has put the 360 to shame like Sony said it would. DVD hasn't failed.

NinjaMunkey01

I could say the same thing about CD's vs. DVD's. CD hasn't failed.

LOL. Music vs Movies? This time with the 360 and PS3, it's Games vs Movies.

you probably meant records vs CDs.

Dude stop talking trash you sound like a 3 year old

Early ps2 games were on CD FACT !!!!! so by your logic later PS2 games like GOW2, GTA , FFX could have been done on CD ? because that's what your saying

DVD became standard for gaming because of SPACE!!! sure the game could have been done on 5 Cd's ( Blue dragon 5 DVDs lol) But yet the Dev's picked to use DVD instead why is that ???

The thing is that Blu- Ray will replace DVD because of the same reason DVD replaced Cd's SPACE !!!

exaclty.

If no one really cared about space then games would still be on CD's.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

What about Mac, obviously in order to play a blu ray movie you need the player but thats your only limition. Right now I have an Archos MP3 player but it can't play those digital movies because the DRM is not compatible with my mp3 player. Even though mine is much better then an Ipod that or other mp3 compatible players is what I would need.

My point is DD really has no benefit, its not safer, its not widely available, its not easier to travel with, maybe it might be faster then going to the store but then again I can order my movies online so I dont have to go to the store either. All it does is take the ownership away from me. I dont have a hardcopy anymore and I would never be happy with that.

Javy03

I agree. DD will definitely become bigger than what it is today, but nothing will ever take over hardcopies. When will the average person be able to download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality movie online within 30 minutes?

Until then DD won't be nearly as big as owning a hardcopy.

....exactly with all the special features. DD will dent the renting market but thats it, I dont see it taking over the home movie owning market.

All Blu-ray needs is to reach mainstream and thats that. Its also helping out games, or at least 2K thinks so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkTKwaqw6WY

Notice what he says about upping resolutions.

Forget about the 50gigs of space, the best Blu-ray feature is that they dont get any scratches at all, thats pretty cool.

DealRogers

i agree its an added bonus

But! the main problem about Blu-ray is the reading speed which is very slow compared to DVD and CD, that affects PS3 games to give its full potential I believe.DealRogers

it depends, blu ray reads differently from the middle to outside while dvd can easily read anywhere on the disk but gets very slow on the outside and varies while br is always the same. dvd is already really slow. a 10 year old hdd leaves dvd way behind

[QUOTE="DealRogers"]But! the main problem about Blu-ray is the reading speed which is very slow compared to DVD and CD, that affects PS3 games to give its full potential I believe.Notsogr8one

exactly and there are now 6x br drives

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

I guess you haven't heard all the RAGE about that game involving John Carmack......

Nedemis

Oh...you mean the same game that's coming out on the PC, PS3 AND 360. Yeah, what about it? Multiple disc doesn't make a game bad. Not one bit. and beside this......

"However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers."

says something about the PS3's hardware as well. Don't act like the PS3's BR tech is even enough to save it from it's massive faults in other areas of design.

I didn't say it was bad being multiple discs.:?

And I didn't say that the BR was better than the 360.

Infact, I didn't say anything was better than anything.

The person I quoted said something

"No game on BluRay has put the 360 to shame like Sony said it would. DVD hasn't failed." was the original post, right or wrong?

However, I had simply misunderstood his post and only comprehended this part: "No game on BluRay has put the 360 to shame"

Fully thinking before I posted, I had written rage, and had realized my mistake as of now.

Sorry for the confusion,

Verbtex.

I really don't see it becoming mainstream until they lower the prices of the movies. They could get away with that crap when VHS was becoming DVD, the difference was immense. The difference between Bluray and DVD, not so amazing, and definitely not $15 dollars amazing.DireOwl

I think there is a big difference. Not only in looks, but sound quality also. Is it as drastic as VHS to DVD? Depends on how you look at it. 1st generation DVD players weren't that great. And I still consider Blu-Ray to be in its infancy stage. Once the technology gets better and cheaper, and people learn how to truly transfer a movie into pure high definition (no upscaled bs which actually still happens even on Blu-Ray), then it should get even better.

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

DD are not giving those options because the more popular the get the more anti piracy locks are implemented to ensure people can't share like limiting the amount of time you can reupload the file, etc.. Saving on a HDD is hardly a huge advantage, HDDs crash all the time and I would flip if my 500 movie collection was in a HDD and I lost it all. Even if I was able to redownload all of them that would take forever. NOt even mentioning how prevelant special features are getting which you dont get with DD movies most of the time.

DD also limits where you can play it, as oppossed to hardcopyies where I can play it on any blu ray machine including my car do I have to have it in a travel HDD to watch it in my car, will they even allow it. Personal Camcorder wont drive blu ray sales to success the need for more space will overall. Everything is becoming HD, pictures, movies, etc. and that all takes extra space and thats where blu ray will come in. Movies however will lower the price as it makes it more and more mainstream seeing as more people pick up a movie as opppossed to an HD camcorder and make home movies.

Javy03

BluRay is limited on where you can play it and has a ton of DRM on them as well. I can't play that bluray at a house without a bluray player. I can play some DRM managed DD if they have a PC.

What about Mac, obviously in order to play a blu ray movie you need the player but thats your only limition. Right now I have an Archos MP3 player but it can't play those digital movies because the DRM is not compatible with my mp3 player. Even though mine is much better then an Ipod that or other mp3 compatible players is what I would need.

My point is DD really has no benefit, its not safer, its not widely available, its not easier to travel with, maybe it might be faster then going to the store but then again I can order my movies online so I dont have to go to the store either. All it does is take the ownership away from me. I dont have a hardcopy anymore and I would never be happy with that.

not widely available? Every home has a PC not everyone has a bluray player.

I was looking through parts for a new computer I'm thinking of building (in order to play Crysis). Overall it will come out to about 6 or 7 hundred dollars not including the case or power supply. While I was looking I saw a blu-ray drive and a blu-ray writer. I thought to myself "Hey maybe I can pick up one of them and put it in." Do you want to know how much it would cost? Over $700 Canadian. That's more than the entire rest of my computer!BumFluff122

And the blanks are about $15 a piece! Bluray will be good when it gets cheap to put in a computer and blanks cost about $2. Until then it's not going to take off.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

Oh...you mean the same game that's coming out on the PC, PS3 AND 360. Yeah, what about it? Multiple disc doesn't make a game bad. Not one bit. and beside this......

"However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers."

says something about the PS3's hardware as well. Don't act like the PS3's BR tech is even enough to save it from it's massive faults in other areas of design.

Episode_Eve

That still doesn't negate the fact that he said BR is better. This discussion is about BR, not which console is best from a development standpoint. You're missing the entire point.

BR is showing it's advantages with Rage. BR will allow higher res textures fro Rage resulting in a slightly better looking game in certain areas. BR has already proven that it is a better format. It's up to devs to show it.

I think you missed the point because this is a thread in a system wars forum. Of course this arguement is gonna involve consoles in this forum. BTW, only the hardcore fanboys will see a difference with Rage. Carmack said it'll be a texture difference on maybe a rock that is off the beaten path or out of view. Hardly a deal breaker.

I honestly don't believe the BluRay will ever fully replace DVD in its lifespan.

I just can't see your average person switching to BluRay since A. You're average person doesn't have HDTV and even if they did B. most people won't care enough to replace their already-bought DVDs with BluRay because on an average sized set there isn't a dramatic difference between the two formats (under 37") and C. it's getting easier and easier to watch movies on-demand.

In other words - for most people moving to BluRay is upgrading for the sake of upgrading. It may never reach mass market levels because it simply doesn't offer huge advantages over DVDs for movies.

Sure BluRay is getting a lot of shelf space but so did HD-DVD before abruptly getting thrown out. Of course Sony is going to use its clout to get the movies in circulation.

I honestly don't believe the BluRay will ever fully replace DVD in its lifespan.

I just can't see your average person switching to BluRay since A. You're average person doesn't have HDTV and even if they did B. most people won't care enough to replace their already-bought DVDs with BluRay because on an average sized set there isn't a dramatic difference between the two formats (under 37") and C. it's getting easier and easier to watch movies on-demand.

In other words - for most people moving to BluRay is upgrading for the sake of upgrading. It may never reach mass market levels because it simply doesn't offer huge advantages over DVDs for movies.

Sure BluRay is getting a lot of shelf space but so did HD-DVD before abruptly getting thrown out. Of course Sony is going to use its clout to get the movies in circulation.

tm0054

Give it 5 years when everyone will have an HDTV and the prices of Blu-Ray start to drop. Remember Blu-Ray players on launch when they costed close to $1000? The prices have already gone done by over half. Give it time.

I still haven't see more than 5 or 6 bluray movies at any of the 5 walmarts with 30 miles of me. DVD is still dominating.farrell2k

What's the status on blu-ray now after two years? I don't play much attention to new video formats but wanted to know if blu-ray has become stronger or if it has become much popular than what it was a year or two ago (many people against it). Have any of your opinions changed? Not so much of it has helped the gaming industry MGS4 aside.jharv

It's going to take another 3-4 years for it to take off, if it even does take off. Currently DVD still commands about 93-95% of the market over Blu-Ray. That hasn't changed much since Blu-Ray has launched. Out of the millions and millions of consumers worldwide at least 90-95% of them have stuck with DVD format. Things may change once more HDTV make it into people's home, but right now, Blu-Ray is just more of a luxury then anything else. I'm still buying DVD's for now. Since my PS3 and XBox 360 can upscale them to 1080p, there's no need for me to buy any Blu-Ray movies right now.

[QUOTE="litewo"]

I read that DVD's will be discontinued by next year.

litewo

Ya it's going to happen, I read the same study.

Lol. not funny. Well maybe just a little :P

[QUOTE="jharv"]What's the status on blu-ray now after two years?litewo

I read that DVD's will be discontinued by next year. So get a BR player (PS3 is the best one!) now.

Hhhhmm.. no. Not even close. DVD is making like 90-95% more money then Blu-Ray, and you really think DVD's are going to all of a sudden stop being made next year? LMAO!! :lol: :lol: Time to come home from Fantasy Land dude.

[QUOTE="agentzero23"]

[QUOTE="naruto7777"]dvd is still betternVidiaGaMer

how, besides price :question:

Blu-Ray is way better higher res, better sound quality, and higher capacity. DVD fails in everything besides price.

And the variety of DVD's in existence. Blu-Ray haven't even tapped 1% of the number of movies, tv shows, documentaries, etc.. that are currently on DVD. They have a LONG ways to go. What will hurt Blu-Ray movies for awhile is the fact that all the movies coming out on Blu-Ray are also coming out on DVD. Once people get the DVD version, the chance of them getting the Blu-Ray version will be slim.

[QUOTE="jharv"]What's the status on blu-ray now after two years?litewo

I read that DVD's will be discontinued by next year. So get a BR player (PS3 is the best one!) now.

I'm actually still buying HD DVD's. The library is over 200 movies and since it's discontinued, they're only 15-20 bucks. Also most are dual sided so they can play in regular DVD players. If it's still available on HD DVD, I'll take the bargain over blu.cainetao11

Been getting mine NEW for 4-6 bucks. Just ordered some today. Good Sheperd, The Hurricane, Hot Rod, Children of Men, Born on the Fourth of July.

the exact same argument was made with music, while hardcopies will never go away, far less of the market is concerned with it than most people like to think. Those who buys movies will want hardcopies, and it's likely a huge chunk of renters will go with DD...unless better licensing methods come about making the purchase of movies over DD more viable.Steppy_76

Music and movies are two very different things. Most people can download a 3 MB song quite easily on their computer. However a 15GB movie not so much. Not to mention the fact that music is most often used on the go, with MP3 players while movies are still for the most part enjoyed at home where someone can dedicate 2 hours in comfort to watch.

Music also has had the problem of making consumers buy a 18 dollar CD with 12 songs when the consumer only likes 2 of those songs. Now with DD you can avoid buying the crap songs on a CD because you can buy your music ONE song at a time, something movies dont benifit from. People greatly overestimate the availability of on demand cable and cable internet. Heck where my family lives they have Comcast but no on demand. Most people dont have broadband and it will be hard enough to convince everyone to upgrade but then to expect them to do their movie watching and buying off the internet. Not gonna be the majority.

I honestly don't believe the BluRay will ever fully replace DVD in its lifespan.

I just can't see your average person switching to BluRay since A. You're average person doesn't have HDTV and even if they did B. most people won't care enough to replace their already-bought DVDs with BluRay because on an average sized set there isn't a dramatic difference between the two formats (under 37") and C. it's getting easier and easier to watch movies on-demand.

In other words - for most people moving to BluRay is upgrading for the sake of upgrading. It may never reach mass market levels because it simply doesn't offer huge advantages over DVDs for movies.

Sure BluRay is getting a lot of shelf space but so did HD-DVD before abruptly getting thrown out. Of course Sony is going to use its clout to get the movies in circulation.

tm0054

A. Most companies are focusing on HDTVs and not making SDTVs, and HDTVs are one of the most wanted items every holiday season. Their prices keep dropping and even Walmart has a wall of HDTVs not SDTVs.

B. You dont have to rebuy all your DVDs on blu ray, thats the beauty part, you can play your DVDs on your new blu ray player, you just buy your knew movies on blu ray instead of DVD and trust me when people buy and HDTV they will want HD. And it will be cheaper for the average consumer in time.

C. On demand is still not everywhere, my family has Comcast and no On demand in there area and that only hurts the RENTING market not the BUYING market. On demand is nothing new, its been around for years and hasnt hurt DVD sales, why would it hurt Blu ray sales?

C. On demand is still not everywhere, my family has Comcast and no On demand in there area and that only hurts the RENTING market not the BUYING market. On demand is nothing new, its been around for years and hasnt hurt DVD sales, why would it hurt Blu ray sales? Javy03

Do you think they're hurting that with the 250GB cap per month?

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="agentzero23"]

[QUOTE="naruto7777"]dvd is still betterblackace

how, besides price :question:

Blu-Ray is way better higher res, better sound quality, and higher capacity. DVD fails in everything besides price.

And the variety of DVD's in existence. Blu-Ray haven't even tapped 1% of the number of movies, tv shows, documentaries, etc.. that are currently on DVD. They have a LONG ways to go. What will hurt Blu-Ray movies for awhile is the fact that all the movies coming out on Blu-Ray are also coming out on DVD. Once people get the DVD version, the chance of them getting the Blu-Ray version will be slim.

It was the same thing when going from VHS to DVD there were so many more VHS movies and then they got put onto DVDs same thing will happen with Blu-Ray give it 5 years.