Blu-ray VS. DVD9 loading...

People see 12x and assume that the 360 reads discs at the speed constantly, which is false. The 12x is a peak speed which is gained on the outermost edge of the disc (about%15 area)because it is a Constant Angular Velocity drive. the inner most area of the disc is where the drive effectively drops to 5x. Secondly, the drive reads dual layer discs even slower, a peak speed of 8x at the extreme edge, and a speed of 3.3x for the inner ring.

5x to 12x (6.25 to 15 MB/s) Single Layer

3.3 to 8x (4.125 to 10MB/s) Dual Layer

The 2x Blu-ray drive (Constant Linear Velocity - 9MB/s, single or dual layer, anywhere on the disc) is faster than the 360 when the 360 is using a dual layer disc. Most games are dual layer.

-360 is faster with single layer discs (DVD5)

-PS3 (BD25) is faster compared to a dual layer (DVD9) on the 360

also, every PS3 has a hard drive to cache data for even faster load times

and if any of you want a good read on the "more powerful" console, look at this thread.  It's A LOT of information and the most detailed i've yet to see. Very informative and the guy does a very good job at not be biased. Read it

 http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=22858

this thread is not to say which console is better in any way or to change an opinion.  Just see a lot of people saying the blu-ray drive is slow. which is true, but the dvd drive is not so fast either.

/beginflamingthread 

Did you honestly just site a Ps3 site as proof that the Ps3 is more powerful?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

ouch

did you even read what i posted? or what it too much to understand? read again, dont give me a youtube video. thats one circumstance. im saying here a lot of time the blu-ray is quicker. giving me one example of it not in no ways negates the info.

try again 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

did you even read what i posted? or what it too much to understand? read again, dont give me a youtube video. thats one circumstance. im saying here a lot of time the blu-ray is quicker. giving me one example of it not in no ways negates the info.

try again

legendbyname

He just did. Also your site source also said Eternal Sonata and Bioshock were comfirmed comming to the ps3...

did you even read what i posted? or what it too much to understand? read again, dont give me a youtube video. thats one circumstance. im saying here a lot of time the blu-ray is quicker. giving me one example of it not in no ways negates the info.

try again

legendbyname

Yes, because your theoretically evidence is obviously greater than real world evidence.

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there? 

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

legendbyname

Your the tc. If you make a claim, your suppose to back it up and not tell us to find the info ourself from a credible source using google.

not to mention dvds are written from the outside in i believe. starting an app isnt really great proof. different machines have different protocols they go through, doesnt mean slower loading. An in-game comparison with considerable differences would be better. for instance the ps3 shows its logo before it even opens the game where as the 360 does not. 

but none of this even matters the 360 loads great i understand, just saying the ps3 isnt as slow as people think.  

not to mention dvds are written from the outside in i believe. starting an app isnt really great proof. different machines have different protocols they go through, doesnt mean slower loading. An in-game comparison with considerable differences would be better. for instance the ps3 shows its logo before it even opens the game where as the 360 does not.

but none of this even matters the 360 loads great i understand, just saying the ps3 isnt as slow as people think.

legendbyname

You're right. It's slower

Did you honestly just site a Ps3 site as proof that the Ps3 is more powerful?

Nonam3gamer

cant face the truth buddy ? comming up with anything just to denie it ?

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

legendbyname

w

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

i dont think the porblem with blu-ray as a gaming format is read rate. its very close to the DVD spec in the 360.

the problem isnt really with blu-ray itself. theres nothing fundimentally wrong with the technology.

the problem is the drive. to put it bluntly....its crap as a drive for gaming. it can get data off the disc fast enough sure.....but how long is it taking to find that data? at 2X....it takes alot longer for a particular piece of data to go over the read heads compared to the 12X DVD drive (on average).

whats the ideal gaming format? its the HDD we find in PCs and consoles. why? because they spin at around 7200rpm (5400rmp for consoles....though the PS3 can use 7200rmp laptop drives if the user wishes). so thats 7200/60=120. the platters spin at 120 times a second. thats 10 times faster than the fastest drive found in a console. as we all know devs love HDDs, and thats why. they can find and send data too wherever it needs to go at a stupidly high rate. its why loading times are faster on PC.

the blu-ray dirve is the opposite of this. like the PS2 drive and its 2xDVD drive....the 2x drive in the PS3 is just too slow for games. fine for movies but rubbish for games. the effects of the slow drive are already being made apparent. some games have installers so that common files can be moved to the HDD. some games cache alot of data to the HDD before the game starts. bethesda had to put 2 copies of oblivion onto every disc to counter its extremely slow speed. its not becasue the drive cant read the data at a good rate....its becasue it takes so long for the data to get to the read heads in the first place. its a mistake sony have always made with there consoles. PS1s drive was very slow and alot of games had alot of loading. PS2s was also slow and has alot of loading (5 secs to get from the game to the map screen in FF12...pretty bad). the UMDs in the PSP are rubbish for games (dungeonsiege has chronic loading since it has very large maps in the game). Now theres the PS3...again the drive is too slow and it shows. thankfully there is the HDD to go some way towards compensating but for $200......id expect alot better. the drive in the PS3 is a movie drive...not a drive made for games.

[QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

club-sandwich

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

Pelon208

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

In video games, it's not the size of the disc that matters, it's whats on it.

[QUOTE="ProductNumber49"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8DoctorBunny

ouch

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

Thread got

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

Pelon208

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

Gold Star for you! Lol, nice.

[QUOTE="Pelon208"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

thirstychainsaw

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

In video games, it's not the size of the disc that matters, it's whats on it.

yeah, repeated textures and cut-and-pasted dialogue.

Why people can't accept that 50 GB is better than 9 GB, More space better. If you don't like to have more space don't buy the elite why would you like to have 120 GB if 9 GB is more than enough Pelon208

see the problem is.. i have not failed.

1. read the post again.. i said basically the 360 is not always faster. When it comes to dual layer DVD9's, blu-ray pretty much faster.

2. watch that video again. notice how once they start the game the PS3 version shows the logo and then after that loads the game. This is not at all a good representation. Not only that but this game could be run on a single layer disc (it really sucked too).

3. if you dont believe me prove me wrong. you can say "its all in the games" but that does nothing in this situation.  

4. the guy who started talking about RPMs, i dont know why you brought PC's into this. And the blu-ray disc doesnt need to spin as fast to read data at top speeds. hence why the ps3 is a lot quieter

[QUOTE="Pelon208"]Why people can't accept that 50 GB is better than 9 GB, More space better. If you don't like to have more space don't buy the elite why would you like to have 120 GB if 9 GB is more than enough coolviper2003

the standard HDD enables the system to quickly receive information. what's the problem, now?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

LOL my fav comment from that video:

"totally fake he started the xbox 360 first hes a cheater and a ps3 hater i mean ps3 is a faster console it has more tecnoligy i saw the comercial"

I thought SW was full of fanboysim after reading those youtube comments I realized youtube is like 100x worse.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Pelon208"]Why people can't accept that 50 GB is better than 9 GB, More space better. If you don't like to have more space don't buy the elite why would you like to have 120 GB if 9 GB is more than enough Mordred19

the standard HDD enables the system to quickly receive information. what's the problem, now?

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Pelon208"]Why people can't accept that 50 GB is better than 9 GB, More space better. If you don't like to have more space don't buy the elite why would you like to have 120 GB if 9 GB is more than enough coolviper2003

the standard HDD enables the system to quickly receive information. what's the problem, now?

I believe you have that backwards. Uncompressed data is faster to read. Uncharted is an example. that game's data is uncompressed to the point at which it is read at a continuous speed, fast enough so that there is no loading.

but I only know what I looked up, so nevermind. It doesn't matter.

I just remembered, I think the data in uncharted is copied enough so that it is read at such speed. that's what I should have said at first. so I don't know about compression and read speeds of such.

some multiplats are not faster on the 360. whats the point. So because the blu-ray is bigger you think no data is compressed? maybe not audio, but thats a plus. 

you deny the advantage of a standard HDD but you insist no data is compressed on ps3 games. come on

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Pelon208"]Why people can't accept that 50 GB is better than 9 GB, More space better. If you don't like to have more space don't buy the elite why would you like to have 120 GB if 9 GB is more than enough Mordred19

the standard HDD enables the system to quickly receive information. what's the problem, now?

I believe you have that backwards. Uncompressed data is faster to read. Uncharted is an example. that game's data is uncompressed to the point at which it is read at a continuous speed, fast enough so that there is no loading.

posting that youtube video only proves you cannot read properly. hahaha 

read.....understand...then post.

try again 

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

Pelon208

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

how is it better again?:?

some multiplats are not faster on the 360. whats the point. So because the blu-ray is bigger you think no data is compressed? maybe not audio, but thats a plus.

you deny the advantage of a standard HDD but you insist no data is compressed on ps3 games. come on

legendbyname

ok fine. name the multiplats on 360 that load faster the entire game rather than on ps3. you can't.

this is the point. read the thread again.  I'm talking about a common misconception. if you read articles about it they only compare blu-ray to dvd5 and thats ridiculous. One of the many advantages of blu-ray is its constant read speed, also the disc doesn't need to speed up as high (less noise) to reach specified transfer rate.

really the only person who needs to get over anything is you. 

ok fine. name the multiplats on 360 that load faster the entire game rather than on ps3. you can't.

this is the point. read the thread again. I'm talking about a common misconception. if you read articles about it they only compare blu-ray to dvd5 and thats ridiculous. One of the many advantages of blu-ray is its constant read speed, also the disc doesn't need to speed up as high (less noise) to reach specified transfer rate.

really the only person who needs to get over anything is you.

legendbyname

[QUOTE="Pelon208"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="legendbyname"]

oh sorry i forgot my source try this site.

www.google.com

and that is not a real life comparison. its on youtube, you believe everything you see on there?

LinKuei_warrior

deal with it 50GB is better than 9 GB

how is it better again?:?

yeah, especially when all the games are 50 GB of fail

come on. that video is a horrible comparison. when they start both consoles, the 360 immeadiately starts loading the game whereas the PS3 loads up its logo, seconds later, loads the game. You will pass this off of course. But the reason oblivion loaded faster for the most part was that they used the standard HDD for the PS3 version. The time it took to get on PS3 was used to code it for the PS3 from the 360 a completely different machine. you think they would prolong a release of the game to make it look a little better, when they could of released it as a launch title and sold a bunch more i bet.

but still you are looking at that youtube video. this is ridiculous. why cant you admit the 360's dvd9 drive is not always faster? this is fact. go ahead and research it. 

come on. that video is a horrible comparison. when they start both consoles, the 360 immeadiately starts loading the game whereas the PS3 loads up its logo, seconds later, loads the game. You will pass this off of course. But the reason oblivion loaded faster for the most part was that they used the standard HDD for the PS3 version. The time it took to get on PS3 was used to code it for the PS3 from the 360 a completely different machine. you think they would prolong a release of the game to make it look a little better, when they could of released it as a launch title and sold a bunch more i bet.

but still you are looking at that youtube video. this is ridiculous. why cant you admit the 360's dvd9 drive is not always faster? this is fact. go ahead and research it.

legendbyname

Back to the point, it's common knowledge in the computer world that a smaller files arefaster to read/copy/delete. In any case I really don't even care, I don't even own a 360 anymore so meh :/ So have a good night, or day. I'm off to do other more productive things, if you have to have the last word and if it makes you feel better then by all mean reply to this, I'm not even going to read. I'm off.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FF7Q0xLRJ-8ProductNumber49

are you kidding?????????? hahaha you have fallen so low now

did'nt you realize that chart is against a DVD5?

fail.