Bold prediction about the Scorpio, could be a deathblow.....

but that will be determined by how big of a leap it is over the PS4 pro in power.

So here is my bold prediction. When they announce Scorpio specs, pay close attention to the amount of RAM.

If it has a total of 8-10 GB of total system RAM, then expect it to be close enough to PS4 pro to not cause too much harm.

However, if you see it has a total of 12-16 GB of RAM, then expect all sh*t to hit the fan. Because top tier multiplats that will run great on the scorpio, will be broken technically to somehow chug along on the PS4 pro.

If it's the latter, then expect a PS5 in late 2018. This is just my bold prediction, what are your thoughts?

damn its RAM all over again...

Here's a thought, you don't know anything about hardware, also Scorpio has 12 GB's of RAM.

Also, without proper software coupled with it, Scorpio is a veiled threat regardless of how powerful it is. Microsoft needs to start getting games going soon or they're going to drive themselves into the ground.

ah yes, make sure those multiplat devs make their games run like shit on the world wide leading console. Yeah, that'd be a great idea.

I have been building PCs since the 90s so I know a thing or two about hardware. The 12GBs of RAM are not finalized at this point hence my prediction.

Scorpio is its own worst enemy. So many people are hyping it to be the 4k/60fps machine of infinite flops. MS has done nothing whatsoever to keep expectations reasonable.

Add that with the now known sum that PS4 Pro has not accelerated PS4 sales YoY (at least in the US) and it is becoming increasingly unlikely that developers will, as a whole:

A. Spend the time and money to take full advantage of it after launch.

B. Piss off the majority of their buyers by spending the time and money on Scorpio to the degree where the games do not scale gracefully on current shelf hardware.

Now, if Scorpio is a brand new console with its own exclusives and a proper Gen 9 restart, then we might have to revisit this conversation.

Welp, they're still showing 12 RAMDAC's right there on the front page for the system, so I'm going with it has 12 GB's.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/project-scorpio

Also, just because you've been building PC's since the 90's doesn't mean anything, I still build things with Lego's, that doesn't make me an architect.

@misterpmedia said:

@Xplode_games said:

but that will be determined by how big of a leap it is over the PS4 pro in power.

So here is my bold prediction. When they announce Scorpio specs, pay close attention to the amount of RAM.

If it has a total of 8-10 GB of total system RAM, then expect it to be close enough to PS4 pro to not cause too much harm.

However, if you see it has a total of 12-16 GB of RAM, then expect all sh*t to hit the fan. Because top tier multiplats that will run great on the scorpio, will be broken technically to somehow chug along on the PS4 pro.

If it's the latter, then expect a PS5 in late 2018. This is just my bold prediction, what are your thoughts?

ah yes, make sure those multiplat devs make their games run like shit on the world wide leading console. Yeah, that'd be a great idea.

So that's how it works? A developer chooses the console he wants the game to look best in, hardware has nothing to do with it? Ah, I see. Lolerskates!

That's not true, 4K/30 is the expectation and it's 100% feasible, I have no idea where you're pulling that information from but it's no one around here.

Have you ever heard of gaming PCs? Ultra settings, 4K graphics on all Scorpio games I guess are worthless to you? Lol

Even if it only has 8-10gb of ram the processing power difference will be the deciding factor not the memory amount.... Type of memory and bandwidth also play a factor. The cpu difference will be the main blow to the Pro, and the gpu lead will be more or less a higher resolution , higher avg framerates and or extra effects.

I simplified it for you. If MS decides to go high end, they will need 12 - 16 GB of RAM otherwise RAM will be a big bottleneck, if they hold back the Scorpio then 8-10 GBs of RAM will be enough. That is why I make my prediction, if it has the higher RAM, that means MS went for the high end killer specs.

Scropio doesn't bring anything new besides performance. PSVR is what's going to push units in the long run.

@Xplode_games: I'm sorry, are YOU aware of ehat a gaming PC is? By November, a 6 TFlop card will be middle to low middle grade. What crack are you smoking?

By November a 6 Terflop GPU will be exactly where it already is, an upper middle tier GPU.

Nothing is releasing from now to then that would change the Scorpio's positioning.

@dynamitecop: You say MS needs more games or it's going to run itself into the ground. That's definitely not true If Scorpio runs most multiplats at 1080p 60fps. The consumer is going to think. Omg cod with awesome graphics and that runs the game like a dream? I'm in.

Oh, is that so?

I'll believe it when I see it, they haven't even talked about or announced the 1080 Ti yet...

Also "Nvidia plans"

Furthermore, from the specs a 2080 Ti is simply a rebranded Pascal Titan X... So as I said, a 6 Teraflop GPU will be exactly where it already stands.

@dynamitecop:

"I still build things with Lego's, that doesn't make me an architec"

No shit. Only Lincoln logs do that!

I still have those too! Maybe I am an architect!

@dynamitecop:

Lol.

If they drop some beastly new IP that looks gorgeous showing off what Scorpio can do I think it'll be interesting.

Something that makes The Order and Ryse look like mine craft lol.

This. It is unlikely that we will see new family cards this year or at least till the Scorpio release. So the midrange cards will remain the 1060 and 480 unless for some reason they decide to release a Ti or X version of them and still wouldn't change significantly that whole 6TFlop standard anyway.

The PS4 Pro failed to accelerate PS4 sales, because the market was not asking for the PS4 Pro to exist. Not the larger market, not Sony's userbase. Nobody was asking for it. PS4 was already the status quo console this generation. Anybody who wants a PS4 either already has one, or has already decided that they were eventually going to buy one before the PRO even came into the picture.

The PS4 pro's existance was a reactionary move more than anything, in anticipation of what they expected Microsoft and to a lesser extent, Nintendo, to end up doing. It was a move to maintain their current momentum (the status quo) in the event of a resurgence of MS/Nintendo momentum, rather than to grow it.

The market was not asking for the PRO to exist. There is however, a vaccum in the market that has demanded that a Scorpio exist. The power gap has been the number one complaint the entire generation.

I'm sure we'll get in a chicken-or-the-egg argument here, so I promise not to really push it or do the "You're a dumb dumb head" thing over this.

What if Sony anticipated a desire for the PS4 Pro long before Scorpio was a thing? After all, it made it to market a full year earlier and development support for it obviously going long before that? Sony makes these things called TVs, in case you forgot.

@Shewgenja: no one is hyping it to be a 4K 60 machine, you're making shit up again.

Top of the line GPUs don't do 4K 60 consistently don't insult our intelligence.

What it will be is better than the Pro and run some titles in native 4K 30, they might get Turn 10 to work their magic and get Forza 7 to do 4K 60.

Comparing it to the Pro launch is a bad comparison since the Pro was a bad move by Sony it's not much of an increase over a regular PS4 like Scorpio will be over a regular Xbox One.

You guys can spin it all you want, Scorpio is going to sell even if all it has is multiplats.

Everyone doesn't have a gaming rig like all the cows here or want to build a gaming rig and it fits the niche for people looking for a mid ranged gaming PC without having to build one and for people looking to play superior multiplats, which is a LOT of console gamers, like the majority of them.

Not to mention the intangibles of it which you don't know yet. Like Spencer has already said it will have keyboard and mouse support, it will have Rift and Vive support, full true backwards compatibility and other possible additions dealing with UWP.

The point is, here we are again circling back again to Scorpio topics, when all we have is speculation. Everyone already knows all cows wish for it to fail and all lems wish for it to be a hit.

i mean cmon the Switch just announced, aren't cows supposed to piling their normal hate for all things not Sony on Nintendo right now?

I wouldn't say that's entirely how it works no, but how would it make business sense to produce a worse version that goes as far as 'chugs' on the console that most people have in the world? It's fanchild fever dreams. Again:

It will be a flopio.

Okay, let's just pretend the Mantis Burn Racing thread NEVER HAPPENED because now that rubber is meeting the road, the Lemming faction wants to back-track on everything they said to pour salt on the Pro launch.

****. That.

Can ya'll just not be shady for one conversation when it comes to the Scorpio?

I expect the Scorpio hardware to be awesome. Now if MS can have this awesome hardware with awesome games all releasing this year, they would have a strong standing. If they are able to dominate again, I hope they don't foolishly backpedal on Xbox Playanywhere. That feature is my main attraction to the Xbox. I want to play my games on my PC or console for one price.

@Shewgenja: all I remember about that thread was cows cheering a PS2 looking game running in native 4K on the Pro.

You really need to stop generalizing and lumping all Xbox fans into one blob like we're the Borg.

Same thing happened in that Weeaboo games thread.

The funny thing is cows were hating the Pro more than lems at the time.

But whatever you see things to fit your narrative just like you did with No Mans Sky, PSVR and this.

Your problem is you're stuck on theoretical teraflops which aren't such a great indicator of real world performance.

NMS all over again. But this time around, its in a console form.

My prediction is if MS prices it at 499 they're going to struggle to move consoles. If we're talking a significant increase in power, MS is gonna have to bite the bullet and take a huge loss on each console sold if they want to compete with Sony and the PS4 this gen.

@Xplode_games: Yaaaawwwn.... someone's opinion who knows nothing.

Yeah, but I'm not the one making bold claims about maximum settings at native 4k as a blanket statement, either. Like, closed system optimization magic-sauce being given, no PC gamer would ever conjecture that PC game development of all things will remain a set sum. Therefore, it doesn't even matter if Scorpio has the best pixels in late 2017 flop for flop with a PC rig, a 2018 games max settings will not be attainable and cards will still supercede any notion of parity moving forward from that point.

I've been PC gaming for a long time. There is no winning this conversation. It was a patently absurd assertion.

If you have followed this thread from the OP, I am speculating on the overall specs of the hardware. I'm saying the RAM will give us a great indication of where MS decided to ultimately go in finalizing the specs.

I think Sony was making a PS4 for their VR when they designed the pro. They couldn't see the big picture and this will cost them. But only if MS capitalizes on their mistake and makes the Scorpio a monster hardwarewise.

VR isn't as close to Sony's core business as TVs are. It was actually very telling to me that the HDMI spec and screen on the PSVR does not support HDR. The left hand was not talking to the right on that one and a very foolish mistake to make in my opinion.

As for your OP, I think it is an interesting question. Personally, I'm not at all convinced that MS won't simply position Scorpio as a Gen 9 system and summarily run for the nearest bottle of Listerine to wash the entire stank of the XBox One out of their mouths.

"More RAM = More Performance" is such a misconception among some console gamers and entry-level PC system builders. Having "enough" RAM is enough, and if that RAM is also faster, then that's what allows better performance.

A few years back, 4GB RAM was deemed as all that's necessary for gaming even on a high-end PC. Nowadays 6-8GB RAM is probably the sweet spot. Any additional RAM beyond this point would generally serve non-gaming purposes or act as pure vanity. People who threw 32GB RAM into their PC just because "big looks good" are literally wasting money.

Performance-wise, it's not going to make a difference whether Scorpio comes with 8GB or 128GB of GDDR5 RAM. Console games are not demanding enough in the first place to require so much RAM. What would make a performance contribution is if Scorpio packs 8 (or even 6) GB of HBM2 RAM instead of GDDR5 RAM. However, due to the ignorance of general public, from a marketing perspective even 12GB of GDDR5 RAM will generate a better perception of than 6GB of vastly superior HBM2 RAM.

lol this thread.

Stupid threads like this are why I love SW.

Don Mattrick will set the record straight

Point to a time in console history when raw power really mattered as to who won the generation.

Hint: it doesn't matter. Games matter, and MS has very, very few of those these days.

It's all but confirmed that the Scorpio will have HBM2 RAM.

The Scorpio is set to have HBM2 RAM as per the initial announcement.

Where are people getting these imaginary data? LMAO. The forum has gone mad.

lol

The official number is 320 GBs memory bandwidth, that certainly seems likely it will use HBM memory. Also, I vaguely remember a screen shot of the specs showing HBM as the memory type but i'm going purely off of memory, I could be wrong.