Braid Dev regrets putting his game on XBLA. Tlhbo.

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#1 gs4uu
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[quote="1"]Braid, the recently released to rave reviews, would have been even better if it were not restraind the restrictions of the XBLA service, and will limit any sort of profit that might have made on the title to the extent that the creator would think twice about using the service again. Jonathan Blow, the games designer says, "I put in a tremendous amount of work meeting all these requirements, when I could have put that work into the actual game, and made it even a little more polished, little bit better. He further added, "But I feel like it actually decreases the quality of games, because people spend so much of their energy on these things that users don't even really care about." He goes on to say that the restrictions really inhibit the small games designers in their efforts to put out titles, as the restrictions seem to be geared towards the bigger developers. And though we have been gagging at the games 1200 MS points tag, Blow doesn't think he will be able to make anything from the success of Braid. "What would keep me from putting another game on Arcade again is just that they've changed the business deal-at least as I've heard. If it's as I've heard that it is, I couldn't even necessarily break even." said Blow. Not a good start for a service that has just begun to hype it's home brew to the masses.

http://www.gamerchip.com/braid-hampered-by-xbla-restrictions/
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I will buy this game the second it drops to 800points ($10)...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

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you need to put something in the topic of your own opinion. But ya XBLA is overly restrictive with size.
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I will buy this game the second it drops to $15...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

SolidTy

It is $15...

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#5 SolidTy
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you need to put something in the topic of your own opinion. But ya XBLA is overly restrictive with size.whackedjob213

Well, it's all DUE TO THE LACK OF HDD. M$ want's to sell these games to Memory card holders...It's a shame too. That's why games like Warhawk, SOCOM, and Ratchet:Booty aren't on XBLA (Games of that size...I know those are 1st party games). The lack of HDD's, and the fact that there are FAR too many 20gigs out there.

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Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will buy this game the second it drops to $15...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

After_Math

It is $15...

Yeah...that's been common knowledge for quite some time...lol

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You hear this from alot of small devs but they keep going back.
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I will buy this game the second it drops to $15...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

SolidTy
I loooooove that. I bought Siren the other day and I got about $60 in return of stuff from somebody(on another forum, unfortunately we can't trade info here) for it and I can still share it 4 more times. Oh, and do you mean when it drops from $15, because I believe it is already $15.
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#10 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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you need to put something in the topic of your own opinion. But ya XBLA is overly restrictive with size.whackedjob213

Yeah, that's what's holding SSFII HD from being released isn't it? I mean that was supposed to be out a LONG time ago and yet no sign other than a beta? Does a game like that really need a beta?

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will buy this game the second it drops to $15...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

After_Math

It is $15...

Oops. Typo. I meant 800points ($10). I think 1200points $15 is asking far too much, especially after playing that demo. Iknew it was $15, I just messed up that post, lol.

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[QUOTE="whackedjob213"]you need to put something in the topic of your own opinion. But ya XBLA is overly restrictive with size.SolidTy

Well, it's all DUE TO THE LACK OF HDD. M$ want's to sell these games to Memory card holders...It's a shame too. That's why games like Warhawk, SOCOM, and Ratchet:Booty aren't on XBLA. The lack of HDD's, and the fact that there are FAR too many 20gigs out there.

And the fact XBL's abysmal servers are already being strained with hundreds of 200 mb mini-games downloaded every second. Lawl.
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will buy this game the second it drops to $10...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

white_sox

I loooooove that. I bought Siren the other day and I got about $60 in return of stuff from somebody(on another forum, unfortunately we can't trade info here) for it and I can still share it 4 more times. Oh, and do you mean when it drops from $15, because I believe it is already $15.

Yeah, typo. I meant $10. It's overpriced considering the demo I played. Good game, but no reason to make a quick $5 like that.

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[QUOTE="white_sox"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will buy this game the second it drops to $10...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

SolidTy

I loooooove that. I bought Siren the other day and I got about $60 in return of stuff from somebody(on another forum, unfortunately we can't trade info here) for it and I can still share it 4 more times. Oh, and do you mean when it drops from $15, because I believe it is already $15.

Yeah, typo. I meant $10. It's overpriced considering the demo I played. Good game, but no reason to make a quick $5 like that.

The demo is not indicative of the game. Braid is worth much more than $15.
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soon as the exclusive contract is up it will come to ps3 no doubt about it
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#17 white_sox
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The demo is not indicative of the game. Braid is worth much more than $15.yellowandmushy
I liked the demo, but I heard rumors that it might come to PSN...so I'm undecided.
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#18 Dreams-Visions
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1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it on PSN.

deal with it.

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Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to PS3?Broman6015
NO.
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You hear this from alot of small devs but they keep going back.wooooode
people are mad it takes effort to get a game certified.

IMO, more games need to be screened. because there's a lot of garbage out there.

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[QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?Dreams-Visions
NO.

Yes it was.
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itll be on pc and everyone can run the game it doesnt require much at all so he wont have any space restrictions and we can all be happy
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#23 gs4uu
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1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

Dreams-Visions
They had him sign an exclusive contract to keep the game on live. lmfao, obviously it will be coming to PSN. A man of his caliber cannot be satisfied with a mediocre digital distribution service, unfortunately.
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I will buy this game the second it drops to 800points ($10)...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

SolidTy

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It's $5 more than than the price you'd instantly buy it at... Five dollars. Ridiculously priced. $5. $15 total.

I'd like to pay the developer for creating the game though, not the publisher. If a game as successful as Braid might not break even we've got a problem.

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"tlbho"? My god I haven't heard that phrase in a while. Ban dodger confirmed...
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1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

Dreams-Visions

Incorrect. In his blog he announces the PC version and possible PSN version if Sony is interested(which they probably are given the reviews).

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?yellowandmushy
NO.

Yes it was.

You're right. I was answering for PS3 when I typed that. I'm pretty sure it'll be on PC, but you're gonna have to give me a link for it on PS3.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

gs4uu

They had him sign an exclusive contract to keep the game on live. lmfao, obviously it will be coming to PSN. A man of his caliber cannot be satisfied with a mediocre digital distribution service, unfortunately.

there's nothing wrong with the distro service. it was just that he coded it in C++, which made the creation of some things difficult. Still, standards are standards.

having consistent standards is one of the things that has made the Live experience uniform and enjoyable. Compare with the palpable lack of uniformity on PSN/PS3 and we see why it remains the best.

as has been said, devs can complain that they don't want to code a leaderboard etc, but we ALL benefit when they demand it.

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"He goes on to say that the restrictions really inhibit the small games designers in their efforts to put out titles, as the restrictions seem to be geared towards the bigger developers.

Deal with it little guy....Why should you get any shortcuts though the process...Because your the small/new guy...Must be nice to have the entitlement...

You put out a awesome game... on the largest service and you are worried you are not going to make enough cash..?..

I hope this interview was taken out on context

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

lordxymor

In correct. In his blog he announces the PC version and possible PSN version if Sony is interested(which they probably are given the reviews).

Yea, I meant PSN when I typed that. I know it's coming to PC eventually. But I have not seen any mention of putting it on PSN. Got a link?
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[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

Dreams-Visions

In correct. In his blog he announces the PC version and possible PSN version if Sony is interested(which they probably are given the reviews).

Yea, I meant PSN when I typed that. I know it's coming to PC eventually. But I have not seen any mention of putting it on PSN. Got a link?

http://braid-game.com/news/?p=224

He makes several mentions in numerous posts in his blog.

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"He goes on to say that the restrictions really inhibit the small games designers in their efforts to put out titles, as the restrictions seem to be geared towards the bigger developers.

Deal with it little guy....Why should you get any shortcuts though the process...Because your the small/new guy...Must be nice to have the entitlement...

You put out a awesome game... on the largest service and you are worried you are not going to make enough cash..?..

I hope this interview was taken out on context

masiisam
totally agree. MS likes certain features to be uniform throughout their games. because lack of those things affects their customers. I appreciate MS demanding certain things because it makes MY experience more consistent. I'm sure for Braid 2, he won't have to worry about some things because he'll already have code that he can borrow from.

I do feel what he's saying...but we don't want a bunch of wildly varying feature sets in games. that would get old fast.

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[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?Dreams-Visions

NO.

Yes it was.

You're right. I was answering for PS3 when I typed that. I'm pretty sure it'll be on PC, but you're gonna have to give me a link for it on PS3.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

gs4uu

They had him sign an exclusive contract to keep the game on live. lmfao, obviously it will be coming to PSN. A man of his caliber cannot be satisfied with a mediocre digital distribution service, unfortunately.

there's nothing wrong with the distro service. it was just that he coded it in C++, which made the creation of some things difficult. Still, standards are standards.

having consistent standards is one of the things that has made the Live experience uniform and enjoyable. Compare with the palpable lack of uniformity on PSN/PS3 and we see why it remains the best.

as has been said, devs can complain that they don't want to code a leaderboard etc, but we ALL benefit when they demand it.

Good arguement, I admit. But you fail to see the PS3 is consistent in quality games, both PSN wise and normal retail games. Meanwhilst, XBL recieves a pleuthora of vapourware. Is that type of consistency really a good thing? Welp, it is uniformity, but I dont know...
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Why is he complaining so much about xbox live? Despite it's complications people are now buying his game up in droves at 15 bucks, regardless of it's length.
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Developer made a bad business decision..... how are teh Lemmings owned, exactly? Are they owned because they get to play a great game? Are they owned because it's exclusive to their console?

It's funny, because I bought the game, played it, beat it and enjoyed it..... funny how I don't feel like I was owned because the developer didn't make as much money as he wanted..... weird, huh?

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Good arguement, I admit. But you fail to see the PS3 is consistent in quality games, both PSN wise and normal retail games. Meanwhilst, XBL recieves a pleuthora of vapourware. Is that type of consistency really a good thing? Welp, it is uniformity, but I dont know...gs4uu

Even though the PSN is more consistent in terms of quality titles, the XBLA still has more quality titles than the PSN, despite the amount of shovelware that's released on the service.

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[QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to PS3?Dreams-Visions
NO.

OK.

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[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

Dreams-Visions

In correct. In his blog he announces the PC version and possible PSN version if Sony is interested(which they probably are given the reviews).

Yea, I meant PSN when I typed that. I know it's coming to PC eventually. But I have not seen any mention of putting it on PSN. Got a link?

Link for you

You should be careful before stating something as fact if you've not done any research.

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?yellowandmushy
NO.

Yes it was.

Umm...no it wasn't. Hinting at a possible PS3 version is far from an official confirmation...

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"tlbho"? My god I haven't heard that phrase in a while. Ban dodger confirmed...munu9

I was wondering when someone would notice something wasn't right. Only someone from way back then would use that old phrase. As for the old account...

I'm surprised that I even remember someone that far back.

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#40 Senor_Kami
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For all his complaining about, "I could have made it better" he didn't delay it. There are tons of XBLA games that get delayed. Its not like disc are getting pressed. If he wanted to make it better there was nothing stopping him outside of laziness.
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#41 Merek16
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didnt MS up the memory limit to its arcade games to 250mb or so now? i ask this because Braid file size is only 144 so their is deff room for more. if he really wanted to, he could have just delayed its release and add more to it. the new Bionic game that came out today pushes over 200mb
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#42 masiisam
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didnt MS up the memory limit to its arcade games to 250mb or so now? i ask this because Braid file size is only 144 so their is deff room for more. if he really wanted to, he could have just delayed its release and add more to it. the new Bionic game that came out today pushes over 200mbMerek16

For all his complaining about, "I could have made it better" he didn't delay it. There are tons of XBLA games that get delayed. Its not like disc are getting pressed. If he wanted to make it better there was nothing stopping him outside of laziness.Senor_Kami

You guys make a good point..

The only thing I can see is if 1) MS said get it done and forced a release...and/or 2) sounds like cash could have been a driving factor and a delay would only cost them more money in development..

If it is #1..I do feel what they guy is saying..

IF it is #2..Don't blame it on the service..The developer had to know well in advance that these requirements are mandatory..I cant see it being a "all of the sudden shock"..and now he has to take a hit on his bottom line

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#43 odin2019
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seems like a pretty interesting game. Never heard of it till this thread. It looks creative but as for how good of game it really it I can't comment on that since I have not played it and don't know much about it.
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#44 ChrnoTrigger
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[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Broman6015"]Off topic but was it confirmed that Braid would be going to either PC or PS3?Dreams-Visions

NO.

Yes it was.

You're right. I was answering for PS3 when I typed that. I'm pretty sure it'll be on PC, but you're gonna have to give me a link for it on PS3.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it anywhere else.

deal with it.

gs4uu

They had him sign an exclusive contract to keep the game on live. lmfao, obviously it will be coming to PSN. A man of his caliber cannot be satisfied with a mediocre digital distribution service, unfortunately.

there's nothing wrong with the distro service. it was just that he coded it in C++, which made the creation of some things difficult. Still, standards are standards.

having consistent standards is one of the things that has made the Live experience uniform and enjoyable. Compare with the palpable lack of uniformity on PSN/PS3 and we see why it remains the best.

as has been said, devs can complain that they don't want to code a leaderboard etc, but we ALL benefit when they demand it.

What the heck were you thinking when you posted this? There was no point in writing the second paragraph, are you trying to bash the PSN? Geez Dreams..

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#45 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I will buy this game the second it drops to 800points ($10)...it is rediculously priced. I wish XBox Live was like PSN, where I could DL it if a friend DL'ed it.

The Demo was okay.

I heard it's coming to PSN next year, hopefully it will only be $10.

Sorry to hear he won't be making much if anything at all, but you can't start at the top in the gaming industry.

Ah well.

InsaneBasura

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It's $5 more than than the price you'd instantly buy it at... Five dollars. Ridiculously priced. $5. $15 total.

I'd like to pay the developer for creating the game though, not the publisher. If a game as successful as Braid might not break even we've got a problem.

Okay. Here's the thing, $10 is too much, but I am willing to pay that. Especially since M$ nickel and dimes everyone by selling the cards in only $20, or $50 dollar packages at retail (Online buying is even worse.)

So, I have 1600 points, If I buy this game for 1200 points, that leaves me with 400 points I don't want. That meanst I can't buy any other games, like Bionic Commando, UNLESS I invest another $20 for another card. See the pattern.See why People buy Pics and Themes? It's a joke, and one I control by purchasing in 800point increments.

You know better than to ask this,this has been a problem with XBLA since the beginning. "Teh point system."

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#46 LOXO7
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...even better if it ... restraind the restrictions ... service...profit that... have made on the...creator would think ... about using the service again. Jonathan Blow... the games designer ...put in a tremendous amount of work ... and made it even a little more polished, little bit better. ... people spend so much of their energy on these things ...small games designers in their efforts to put out ...we have been gagging at the... Blow ... will be able to make ...the success of ...business... Blow...a good start for a service that has just begun... it's home brew to the masses.1

:shock:What on earth is this article talking about?

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#47 GundamGuy0
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Why is he complaining so much about xbox live? Despite it's complications people are now buying his game up in droves at 15 bucks, regardless of it's length.Vaasman

And he's not making any money off of it...

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#48 SolidTy
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seems like a pretty interesting game. Never heard of it till this thread. It looks creative but as for how good of game it really it I can't comment on that since I have not played it and don't know much about it.odin2019

Download the Demo, it's 2D Mario meets Blinx Time powers (Or Prince of Persia)...My problem with it is I feel $10 is too much for some of these games (After a month I rarely go back, especially if I got 200GS in them), but I'm willing to stretch out and pay it. This game is $15, which irks me. I'd glady pay that though IF I could just spend $15, which I cannot.

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#49 Memoryitis
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Dont know the req in order to pur a game on XBLA but is it any harder than the other systems like Wii or PS3? or Easier
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#50 iesexywarden
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1.) The game is still on Live.

2.) He has no plans to put it on PSN.

deal with it.

Dreams-Visions

dev said, YES HE SAID, that he wants to put it on the ps3 after the exclusive contract is done with MS.

NOTE: he didnt say "other systems" HE SAID PS3..