Bungie needs to step up their game and learn from Infinity Ward

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

spookykid143

i honestly can't tell :lol:

Halo is 10 times better than CoD

I thought you were serious until I read the red text.

Good one :D.

I stopped taking it seriously when TC said that MW2 improved on MW.

Halo Reach: 91

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/halo-reach

MW2: 94

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

Critics + gamers (sales) agree with me.

I stopped taking it seriously when TC said that MW2 improved on MW.

turtlethetaffer

Critics + gamers agree with me.

The_RedLion

Which is why you're getting a tidal wave of disagreement in the thread, right?

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Critics + gamers agree with me.

vashkey

Which is why you're getting a tidal wave of disagreement in the thread, right?

sw doesn't equal the entire world

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

The_RedLion

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Critics + gamers agree with me.

The_RedLion

Which is why you're getting a tidal wave of disagreement in the thread, right?

sw doesn't equal the entire world

People liking something doesn't make it good. Loom at Justin Beiber.

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED (to milk the series). While IW was too busy rehashing COD, Bungie actually improved their games and gave us Halo 3 and Halo Reach.

Modern Warfare 2 felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like balanced perks, balanced killstreaks, balanced customizable weapons, balanced melee-kills, etc.

If IW's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by Bungie once more.

The_RedLion

Fixed. I can't imagine why you would think IW did the right thing... All of the COD games since 4 have not progressed at all in terms of balance or gameplay.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

spookykid143

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

There is so much wrong with this sentence I don't know where to start. Actually, there's so much wrong with this thread.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

Which is why you're getting a tidal wave of disagreement in the thread, right?

turtlethetaffer

sw doesn't equal the entire world

People liking something doesn't make it good. Loom at Justin Beiber.

then what makes something good?

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

Seriously Tc I suggest you look at who's winning in the MC user score before you bring out a statement like this.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]Joke?

soulitane

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

Wait, does that mean that Bungie's lead devs need to get fired from Activision then form a new team so they aren't milked yearly by the Devil himself?

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

Seriously Tc I suggest you look at who's winning in the MC user score before you bfring out a statement like this.

super600

user scores are a lot of times made by people that don't even play the game

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

The_RedLion

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I stopped taking it seriously when TC said that MW2 improved on MW.

vashkey

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

The_RedLion

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

What is this.. I don't even..? :|

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]Joke?

EliteM0nk3y

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

COD4 was a huge change that's why it succeed

All Halo games since Halo 2 have been the same

trying to avoid place...but

it took IW 2 years to patch the m16....so no

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] That doesn't mean they didn't change, contrary to popular belief bar ODST Halo has changed quite a bit between all of its major releases.soulitane

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

What changes? I pointed out ODST because it's the only one who actually felt different, for all the wrong resons

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] That doesn't mean they didn't change, contrary to popular belief bar ODST Halo has changed quite a bit between all of its major releases.soulitane

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

Well actually... I'd say adding visr mode, firefight and and the open night time level hub was some change.

Charging sixty dollars for a new camapign, a new survival mode and the complete Halo 3 multiplayer experience doesn't seem any more dispicable to me than Infinity Ward rereleasing an inferior version of the original Call of Duty on XBLA and PSN only supporting 8-player match at max at a higher price point than what the PC version was at the time...

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

The_RedLion

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

COD4 was a huge change that's why it succeed

All Halo games since Halo 2 have been the same

So Halo Reach is the same as Halo 2?

Even Halo 3 plays different.

In MW2 the same strategies apply as in MW, camp and you win.

And I'm ending my argument here.

EDIT: your point doesn't even address what I said earlier.

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

The_RedLion

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

COD4 was a huge change that's why it succeed

All Halo games since Halo 2 have been the same

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

EliteM0nk3y

COD4 was a huge change that's why it succeed

All Halo games since Halo 2 have been the same

So Halo Reach is the same as Halo 2?

Even Halo 3 plays different.

In MW2 the same strategies apply as in MW, camp and you win.

And I'm ending my argument here.

you have a point, Reach took out dual weilding

why is that all the changes Bungie has made in seems to be for the worse?

Halo Reach: 91

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/halo-reach

MW2: 94

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

Critics + gamers (sales) agree with me.

The_RedLion

Years from now, we will all look at this thread and laugh. Possible Hall of fame thread right here folks.

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Compare how many times IW rehashed: CoD4 and MW2

Bungie: Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST (rip off without new MP), Reach

At least MW2 has a higher metascore than CoD4, ODST and Reach DID WORSE

The_RedLion

Let's count the number of games both have released.

IW (5 since 2003):

Call of Duty

CoD: United Offensive

CoD 2

CoD 4 Modern Warfare

CoD MW2

Bungie (5 since 2001)

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

They have released the same amount of games but IW has done it in a shorter time frame.

COD4 was a huge change that's why it succeed

All Halo games since Halo 2 have been the same

In the days of modern military shooters Halo is becoming an acquired taste.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

ODST's biggest change was to make a shorter campaign with no new MP and sell it for $60 that's not positive change imo

The_RedLion

What changes? I pointed out ODST because it's the only one who actually felt different, for all the wrong resons

Reach took out dual weilding

why is that all the changes Bungie has made in seems to be for the worse?

The_RedLion

Halo 3 and Reach outclass every CoD this gen a hundredfold. Hell I thought Reach was a massive downgrade and its still much better than any CoD I've played this gen.

[QUOTE="super600"]

Seriously Tc I suggest you look at who's winning in the MC user score before you bfring out a statement like this.

The_RedLion

user scores are a lot of times made by people that don't even play the game

I know that, but still it tells a different story then the critc reviews because in this case the user scores are slightly more important.This is because I'm never trusting any cod reviews ever again.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Halo Reach: 91

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/halo-reach

MW2: 94

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

Critics + gamers (sales) agree with me.

navyguy21

They are FPS and were released around the same time, they are comparable