Bungie needs to step up their game and learn from Infinity Ward

I always wonder what xbox fans would do once they were confront with a higher selling higher score FPS vs Halo,since they always bring scores and sales against games like Killzone since the PS2 days.tormentos

Well, considering CoD isn't a higher scoring franchise than Halo, I guess we'll find out some day.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

Halo Reach: 91

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/halo-reach

MW2: 94

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

Critics + gamers (sales) agree with me.

tormentos

Are you an idiot?! .......No really???

Halo 1 AWESOME!

Halo 2. BEST FPS MULTIPLAYER EVER.

Halo 3. WHAT?? I can record the matches.. FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE??? SCREENSHOTS.... 4 player online co-op!!?!?! whats this... FORGE.. I CAN MAKE CUSTOM MAPS ON CONSOLES!!!!??/

Halo Reach: A FORGE WORLD??? Armor Abilites!?!?! whoa! Wow at the huge selection of armor pieces to choose from!

Not to mention tweeks to specific guns..and new guns introduced and old removed.

Now for COD.

COD2. Choose your gun.

Cod 3. Choose your class.

Cod 4. HEY AWESOME Perks!! Guns! Some custimization!

WAW: hey.. some different perks! cool cool

MW2: Umm.. new guns.. slight changes in perks...

Black Ops: Hey nothing new... Oh i see they added theatre like IN HALO!!

Next we will see a forge type thing!! BUT WAIT!! ONLY IF YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THE COD ELITE!!!! ((load of BS))

edit: realise that trayarch isn't IW.. just shows how stupid saying Halo has changed is.

and yes COD will sell more... all the kids want a point and pull trigger game that takes no thought. Halo takes at least consistent precision and some thought. also COD has that.. "HEY YOU JUST COMPLETED THIS WORTHLESS CHALLENGE YOU DIDN"T EVEN KNOW ABOUT FOR 1000 EXPERIENCE" every 30 seconds which is also great for the ADD people.

Infinite_Access

[QUOTE="tormentos"]I always wonder what xbox fans would do once they were confront with a higher selling higher score FPS vs Halo,since they always bring scores and sales against games like Killzone since the PS2 days.waltefmoney

Well, considering CoD isn't a higher scoring franchise than Halo, I guess we'll find out some day.

I agree, man!

I used to really like Halo, but IW really showed how to make a FPS with CoD4 and MW2...

Why else didn't Reach sell 30 million, like Black Ops?

I'm not sure if you're serious. You're saying Bungie makes rehashes and IW doesn't? What are you sipping on, I may need some of that.

I agree, man!

I used to really like Halo, but IW really showed how to make a FPS with CoD4 and MW2...

Why else didn't Reach sell 30 million, like Black Ops?

DangerousLiquid

:|

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

Bungie has and will always be better than IW ever since the days of Marathon. IW hasn't done anything original, and has always made mediocre SP campaigns after CoD2(CoD4 was ok). MP has also always been underwhelming, with the obvious exception of CoD.

If anything IW has brought bad things to gaming. Perks and Killstreaks are two of the dumbest ideas ever to be put in a game, and killcam is only essential to CoD only because of all the campers. Not to mention that they're slaves to Activision.

Bungie on the other hand has always delivered solid SP and MP on almost all of their games(not just Halo), and they have always had noticeable differences, which is more than what can be said about IW.

Oh and the Milking argument? IW has released way more games in the past 5 years.

campzor

cod 4 - 2007

mw2 - 2009

halo 3 - 2007

halo odst - 2009

halo reach - 2010

in other words.. cod and #2 were great and cod 4 was ok but mw2 was crap. 2.5/4 is not "always" crap campaigns...

im just going to talk about halo as im not aware of bungies other games.. but halo 1 - 3 has nothing noticebly different about them mp wise.

The change from cod1-2' mp > cod 4 mp is far more noticeable than halos same old halo 3 > reach.

Umm...if you wanna be taken seriously, you MAY want to remove the sig

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

I agree, man!

I used to really like Halo, but IW really showed how to make a FPS with CoD4 and MW2...

Why else didn't Reach sell 30 million, like Black Ops?

madmidnight

Come on, we both know the Halo 3 ads were unbeatable...

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

Bungie has and will always be better than IW ever since the days of Marathon. IW hasn't done anything original, and has always made mediocre SP campaigns after CoD2(CoD4 was ok). MP has also always been underwhelming, with the obvious exception of CoD.

If anything IW has brought bad things to gaming. Perks and Killstreaks are two of the dumbest ideas ever to be put in a game, and killcam is only essential to CoD only because of all the campers. Not to mention that they're slaves to Activision.

Bungie on the other hand has always delivered solid SP and MP on almost all of their games(not just Halo), and they have always had noticeable differences, which is more than what can be said about IW.

Oh and the Milking argument? IW has released way more games in the past 5 years.

campzor

cod 4 - 2007

mw2 - 2009

halo 3 - 2007

halo odst - 2009

halo reach - 2010

in other words.. cod and #2 were great and cod 4 was ok but mw2 was crap. 2.5/4 is not "always" crap campaigns...

im just going to talk about halo as im not aware of bungies other games.. but halo 1 - 3 has nothing noticebly different about them mp wise.

The change from cod1-2' mp > cod 4 mp is far more noticeable than halos same old halo 3 > reach.

i used to be a huge halo fan with 1, 2 and 3 but to say they rehashed and then claim IW didn't is laughable

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

Bungie has and will always be better than IW ever since the days of Marathon. IW hasn't done anything original, and has always made mediocre SP campaigns after CoD2(CoD4 was ok). MP has also always been underwhelming, with the obvious exception of CoD.

If anything IW has brought bad things to gaming. Perks and Killstreaks are two of the dumbest ideas ever to be put in a game, and killcam is only essential to CoD only because of all the campers. Not to mention that they're slaves to Activision.

Bungie on the other hand has always delivered solid SP and MP on almost all of their games(not just Halo), and they have always had noticeable differences, which is more than what can be said about IW.

Oh and the Milking argument? IW has released way more games in the past 5 years.

campzor

cod 4 - 2007

mw2 - 2009

halo 3 - 2007

halo odst - 2009

halo reach - 2010

in other words.. cod and #2 were great and cod 4 was ok but mw2 was crap. 2.5/4 is not "always" crap campaigns...

im just going to talk about halo as im not aware of bungies other games.. but halo 1 - 3 has nothing noticebly different about them mp wise.

The change from cod1-2' mp > cod 4 mp is far more noticeable than halos same old halo 3 > reach.

*facepalm* you have your oion and whatnot, but your post is factually incorrect in a few ways

Infinity Ward: games released in the past 5 years(including this year):

CoD 4

CoD MW2

CoD ****c

CoD MW3

Bungies games in the last 5 years(including this year)

Halo 3

Halo 3 ODST

Halo Reach

you know, now that i think of it, COD 4s campaign was pretty bad too. infinite enemies, incredibly linear level design and monotonous gameplay don't make a good campaign in my eyes. or maybe i just have higher standards than you. I don't know.

ok for a start you contradict yourself by putting COD 1 and 2 together when mentioning their MP. You're pretty much admitting they're virtually identical. But anyhow, do you really want me to list all of the changes throughout all of the halo games? i'll just post link: and that barely even talks about the gameplay changes. I can do that:

i can count the changes throughout CoDs MP with my fingers. On one hand.

Nobody can deny the fact that CoD is damn entertaining, which in my opinion is the point of video games.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]I always wonder what xbox fans would do once they were confront with a higher selling higher score FPS vs Halo,since they always bring scores and sales against games like Killzone since the PS2 days.tormentos

Well, considering CoD isn't a higher scoring franchise than Halo, I guess we'll find out some day.

Nobody can deny the fact that CoD is damn entertaining, which in my opinion is the point of video games.

DangerousLiquid

i used to be a huge halo fan with 1, 2 and 3 but to say they rehashed and then claim IW didn't is laughable

steviebhoy6sic6

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Nobody can deny the fact that CoD is damn entertaining, which in my opinion is the point of video games.

Microsoft1234

Still very fun. I wish I could say the same about other games in the genre, like Battlefield, Killzone, The Conduit, Resistance etc... But I can't...

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

The_RedLion

i won't even play a game that uses that system.

the best online shooter for me this gen was battlefield 43.

everyone picks a class and carries the same loadout.

if you are good in that game it's because you are good at outsmarting your opponent lining them up in the sights and hitting them.

not because you played the longest and have the best loadout.

It appears they have learned to release a game every year for a quick cash in. :o :PHeil68

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

[QUOTE="Heil68"]It appears they have learned to release a game every year for a quick cash in. :o :PABCarmine

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

Uncharted isn't being milked, but Killzone is.

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]It appears they have learned to release a game every year for a quick cash in. :o :PDangerousLiquid

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

Uncharted isn't being milked, but Killzone is.

Uncharted 1 2007. Uncharted 2 2009 Uncharted 3 2011.

Killzone 2 2008 Killzone 3 2011

Hack, I do't even care if a game has yearly releases.

Halo and assassins Creed both do it, and they both release great games!

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

ABCarmine

Uncharted isn't being milked, but Killzone is.

Uncharted 1 2007. Uncharted 2 2009 Uncharted 3 2011.

Killzone 2 2008 Killzone 3 2011

Hack, I do't even care if a game has yearly releases.

Halo and assassins Creed both do it, and they both release great games!

Killzone 3 was a crappy CoD clone, that's the start of the Killzone milkage, if you ask me.

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Uncharted isn't being milked, but Killzone is.

DangerousLiquid

Uncharted 1 2007. Uncharted 2 2009 Uncharted 3 2011.

Killzone 2 2008 Killzone 3 2011

Hack, I do't even care if a game has yearly releases.

Halo and assassins Creed both do it, and they both release great games!

Killzone 3 was a crappy CoD clone, that's the start of the Killzone milkage, if you ask me.

Are you serious? Have you even played Killzone 3 before? I don't think you have, for obvious reasons....

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

Uncharted 1 2007. Uncharted 2 2009 Uncharted 3 2011.

Killzone 2 2008 Killzone 3 2011

Hack, I do't even care if a game has yearly releases.

Halo and assassins Creed both do it, and they both release great games!

el3m2tigre

Killzone 3 was a crappy CoD clone, that's the start of the Killzone milkage, if you ask me.

Are you serious? Have you even played Killzone 3 before? I don't think you have, for obvious reasons....

it was certainly more CODlized than KZ2....

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Killzone 3 was a crappy CoD clone, that's the start of the Killzone milkage, if you ask me.

gamedude234

Are you serious? Have you even played Killzone 3 before? I don't think you have, for obvious reasons....

it was certainly more CODlized than KZ2....

Are you kidding me? The differences between these 2 games are astronomical.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

There was a time that Halo was the kind of FPS, not it's not even the face of the 360 anymore. That has affected the image of the 360, and has given Sony the best FPS this gen, contrary to past gens where it was Xbox exclusive.

Why? BUNGIE FAILED. While they were too busy rehashing Halo, IW actually improved their games and gave us COD4 and MW2.

Halo Reach felt so outdated (and sold less than Black Ops) because it lacked thiongs that are now standards like perks, killstreaks, customizable weapons, melee-kills, etc.

If Bungie's next gamed oesn't improve, they're gonna be defeated by IW once more.

Lucianu

I'll tell you something that's factually outdated -> Black Ops is outdated as all hell, the visuals & animations are insultingly bad. The engine is 4 years old, for God's sake. And you're telling me that Halo Reach feels outdated?

I thought IW died out after most of the original team left. Halo Reach does not feel outdated at all; Things like perks, killstreaks or whatever does not equate the definition of being up to date, they are features which are not a neccesity, and instead of trash devs copy pasting CoD, i am glad some devs at least don't follow the cash cow.

And critics? Journalism means NOTHING regarding CoD. Scores definitely don't show its nonexistent quality.

I already posted that link and the TC denied that Activsion could have used that review event for past COD games.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]It appears they have learned to release a game every year for a quick cash in. :o :PABCarmine

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Are you serious? Have you even played Killzone 3 before? I don't think you have, for obvious reasons....

el3m2tigre

it was certainly more CODlized than KZ2....

Are you kidding me? The differences between these 2 games are astronomical.

compared to KZ2, the differences between KZ3 and COD seem tiny. unbalanced weapons and "perks" were an annoying characteristic of KZ3s MP. but this is off topic

While i agree with you in some things in other i don't. Halo 2 the best multoplaying ever.? The game was a cheat fest you could not play a single match were a cheater wasn't present,it was horrible... tormentos

Stopped reading right there, yes there was a bit of cheating in Halo 2 (mainly standby and modding) but both problems got quickly banhammered by Bungie and the ammount of time they went on for was insignificant considering how long the game was actively played.

[QUOTE="6matt6"] No in COD spawn trapping literally breaks the game. As in whoever does the spawn trap first wins the game. You see this is poor design not only does it encourage people to use 1 strategy all the time it also makes it unfair in matchmaking when a team of random people play a party. Its almost pointless to go into matchmaking on your own because of this. You will be spawn trapped constantly. You see spawn camping in other games is rare because its hard to do and it can be countered if it happens. COD literally every game is a who can set up the spawn trap first and after it is set up that team always wins. Unless they are stupid enough to break the trap. The game is neither challenging or rewarding. It is buggy messy and poorly designed piece of crap. I had quite a hilarious incident in MW2 where I was lying prone aiming down the sights and shooting someone in the toes and I got a headshot. Seriously wtf is with those hitboxes?tormentos

This is without mentioning the horrible glitches, hit detection and horrible map design. I honestly don't care if people find it fun because it is arguably one of the worst designed shooters out on the market. People think Michael Bay makes great movies and his movies always make millions. That doesn't make them great or well written

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]It appears they have learned to release a game every year for a quick cash in. :o :PHeil68

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

It sold less than Black Ops because it's not multiplatform and so is less popular. Good joke with the rehash thing. You weren't serious right? Cod is one big rehash. They have been using an upgraded, outdated engine since COD 2. Now, I like COD but Halo: Reach was a big improvement since Halo 3.

It sold less than Black Ops because it's not multiplatform and so is less popular. Good joke with the rehash thing. You weren't serious right? Cod is one big rehash. They have been using an upgraded, outdated engine since COD 2. Now, I like COD but Halo: Reach was a big improvement since Halo 3.

LustForSoul

I don't want to hate, but how can Reach be a big improvement over Halo 3, when Halo 3 was the better game?

:lol: are you seriously insinuating that the Halo franchise has more rehashes than modern warfare?

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

A.Bungie is giving the fans what they want. Halo fans wanted to be an ODST, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted to play on Reach, Bungie gave them that. Halo fans wanted a Halo 4, 343i is doing that.

B."Quick cash in" Seeing as each game are balanced fresh and always bring in something new, there's nothing quick about it.

C. Sony is milking Uncharted series by that logic. :roll:

soulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Halo fans wanted ODST? ODST was a big let down to me and my least favorit Halo game. The story sucked and outside of the flashbacks part of the game I couldn't wait to finish it. walkingdream

took the words right out of my mouth