Bungie: Our VGA Reach unveil will be all in game. It's not CG

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#51 RankCrusher
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Well this will be a massive step up for the Halo series considering every other Halo game ever made has been CG only. My interest has peaked!

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#52 Revolution316
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I've always wanted a game that runs seemlessly between cinematic and gameplay with no graphics change, for a long time.

Thank you, Bungie. Except I won't get it cause I don't have a 360. But maybe other devs will try it out.

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mgs4 does that

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#53 ToScA-
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Didn't they say the same thing about Halo 3?White_Wolf21

Yes. And it was true.

In-game? You mean like this? I'll wait for the beta.II-FBIsniper-II
That's an in-engine demonstration of the game. Wasn't all too surprising how the final product turned out seeing as how practically nothing was going on in the in-engine demonstration.

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#54 SpiritOfFire117
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Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned later today, I can't wait! :D.Rockman999
How so exactly?
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#55 mythrol
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

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According to their twitter....We'll see. I personally thought Halo ODST was kinda ugly at times

navyguy21

ODST ran on the Halo 3 engine.........which is a modified Halo 2 engine.........which is why it looks rough. Halo Reach runs on a new, custom engine, built specifically for the 360.

I always found it weird that people thought ODST was ugly. H3 and ODST are still the only games to run true HDR lighting on any console ever (not talking about pc). Some of the ODST models might not have been jaw dropping but the lighting in that game was amazing.

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#56 bubbleboyii
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Well, that's what Sony said with Killzone 2's first trailer. They delivered, so there's nothing to say that Bungie won't.

Still, let's wait until the trailer's actually out, shall we? lol.

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#57 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Well, hopefully the video would have a H.U.D., then I'll believe them.

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Cinematics have a HUD?
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#58 mythrol
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I will remain apprehensive. I still remember the 2006 trailer enough to know that any developers can lie... a recent example is Turn 10.

Leejjohno
Bungie always admitted that Halo 3's trailer was a blend of in game, cgi, AND Life Action footage. Only fanboys tried to pass it off as all gameplay. Bungie never lied about it.
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#59 Megaman5364
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I've always wanted a game that runs seemlessly between cinematic and gameplay with no graphics change, for a long time.

Thank you, Bungie. Except I won't get it cause I don't have a 360. But maybe other devs will try it out.

AndyAlfredo
go play uncharted 2 or killzone 2 if u want 2 see that seamless cutscene change thing
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#60 ToScA-
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Well, that's what Sony said with Killzone 2's first trailer. bubbleboyii

A blatant lie since it was all CG. The final product did impress though.

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#61 Racer850
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I will remain apprehensive. I still remember the 2006 trailer enough to know that any developers can lie... a recent example is Turn 10.

Leejjohno
Turn 10 showed gameplay, so no they did not lie, and anyway reach could look like halo 3 and still be an incredible FPS.
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#62 gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

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According to their twitter....We'll see. I personally thought Halo ODST was kinda ugly at times

mythrol

ODST ran on the Halo 3 engine.........which is a modified Halo 2 engine.........which is why it looks rough. Halo Reach runs on a new, custom engine, built specifically for the 360.

I always found it weird that people thought ODST was ugly. H3 and ODST are still the only games to run true HDR lighting on any console ever (not talking about pc). Some of the ODST models might not have been jaw dropping but the lighting in that game was amazing.

Not to mention that the water looked awesome, some of the textures looked amazing, the effects looked good, and some of the levels looked really beautiful & organic (The level Cortana comes to mind). So yeah, I thought Halo 3 & Halo ODST looked great.

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#63 Rockman999
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Why is the game being shown today??ComBaTsOuL

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned later today, I can't wait! :D.SpiritOfFire117
How so exactly?

My mistake, I thought the VGAs were tonight.Whatever, Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned next week :).

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#64 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="ComBaTsOuL"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned later today, I can't wait! :D.SpiritOfFire117
How so exactly?

My mistake, I thought the VGAs were tonight.Whatever, Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned next week :).

Again....how so?
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#65 topgunmv
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Well, hopefully the video would have a H.U.D., then I'll believe them.

mitu123

More than likely it'll be like that engine rendered halo3 announcement trailer, which will be ok by me, as long as it isn't another stupid cgi or live action trailer that isn't indicative of what it's going to look like.

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#66 bobbetybob
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One of two things will happen, and ignorance will occur from both sets of fanboys either way. Scenario one, the "gameplay" looks ridiculously good, like Crysis good, Lemmings ignore the fact that it's probably CGI and tout it as the new graphics king and set themselves up for a fall. Scenario 2, it actually is gameplay and it looks really good, but Cows instantly bash it and say it looks terrible "teh textures am suck!" Of course there's always secret scenario 3 where the graphics look mediocre and then a giant battle ensues killing Gamespot.
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#67 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

My mistake, I thought the VGAs were tonight.Whatever, Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned next week :).

SpiritOfFire117

Again....how so?

Damn dude do I really need to spell it out for you?

Cows will get owned if Reach looks close to or better than Uncharted 2 and Lemmins will get owned if it doesn't.Either way, millions of fanboys will get owned.

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#68 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]


My mistake, I thought the VGAs were tonight.Whatever, Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned next week :).


Rockman999

Again....how so?

Damn dude do I really need to spell it out for you?


Cows will get owned if Reach looks close to or better than Uncharted 2 and Lemmins will get owned if it doesn't.Either way, millions of fanboys will get owned.


Ok. You just weren't being specific that's all. :P

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#69 After_Math
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[QUOTE="mythrol"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] ODST ran on the Halo 3 engine.........which is a modified Halo 2 engine.........which is why it looks rough. Halo Reach runs on a new, custom engine, built specifically for the 360.gmc2u_64

I always found it weird that people thought ODST was ugly. H3 and ODST are still the only games to run true HDR lighting on any console ever (not talking about pc). Some of the ODST models might not have been jaw dropping but the lighting in that game was amazing.

Not to mention that the water looked awesome, some of the textures looked amazing, the effects looked good, and some of the levels looked really beautiful & organic (The level Cortana comes to mind). So yeah, I thought Halo 3 & Halo ODST looked great.

The game's also offered FOUR PLAYER Split-screen. Very few games can do that/pull it off. The only thing that annoyed me in Halo 3/ODST were the jaggies, and to a lesser extent the human models.
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#70 93soccer
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="ComBaTsOuL"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned later today, I can't wait! :D.SpiritOfFire117
How so exactly?

My mistake, I thought the VGAs were tonight.Whatever, Millions of fanboys are going to get massively owned next week :).

Yep. Millions of cows are gonna get pwned next week.
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#71 SpinoRaptor24
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All those expecting a new graphics king are going to be disappointed.

I'm expecting a great artstyle and an extremely polished game.

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#72 II-FBIsniper-II
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That's an in-engine demonstration of the game. Wasn't all too surprising how the final product turned out seeing as how practically nothing was going on in the in-engine demonstration.ToScA-
I'm not trying to say it won't be in-game, I'm saying that Bungie's history indicates that they are going to disappoint. Also, if they could achieve those graphics with their engine, then why didn't the same cutscene in the final game even look half as good?
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#73 ActicEdge
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Cool. Always nice to hear. I hope the graphics expectations aren't too high.

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#74 angelkimne
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Let me guess - everyone when the trailer releases: OMG, GRAPHICS KING game releases: i r disappoint I hope people realize that by in-engine they mean cutscene graphics, not gameplay graphics. The trailer is just a slice from the opening cinematic.
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#75 -RocBoys9489-
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Everytime I see a Halo Reach thread I HAVE to post this :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87exl6vAivI (Leaked Halo Reach soundtrack song)

Hot damn' Marty, you've out done yourself on the music again. I hope this is the song they use in the trailer at the VGAs.

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#76 gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"]

I always found it weird that people thought ODST was ugly. H3 and ODST are still the only games to run true HDR lighting on any console ever (not talking about pc). Some of the ODST models might not have been jaw dropping but the lighting in that game was amazing.

After_Math

Not to mention that the water looked awesome, some of the textures looked amazing, the effects looked good, and some of the levels looked really beautiful & organic (The level Cortana comes to mind). So yeah, I thought Halo 3 & Halo ODST looked great.

The game's also offered FOUR PLAYER Split-screen. Very few games can do that/pull it off. The only thing that annoyed me in Halo 3/ODST were the jaggies, and to a lesser extent the human models.

Heck, the fact that it still looked great in CO-OP mode should tell you how good looking it is.

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#77 789shadow
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It would be hilarious if there was no HUD.:P

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#78 gmc2u_64
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It would be hilarious if there was no HUD.:P

789shadow

Well, King Kong and Dead Space didn't have a HUD, so...who knows?

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#79 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

It would be hilarious if there was no HUD.:P

gmc2u_64

Well, King Kong and Dead Space didn't have a HUD, so...who knows?

Eh, you missed the point. The devs are saying that all footage shown will be gameplay, but a lack of an HUD would call that into question.

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#80 readingfc_1
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I don't know what you guys are expecting over Reach. Bungie has always been about balance and polish over graphics.

I'm expecting Reach to look very similar to Halo Reach similar Halo 3 but with better textures and a larger scale.

Blue-Sky
It has? Halo 2 looked amazing and was one of the best looking games last generation imo.
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#81 12345678ew
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

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According to their twitter....We'll see. I personally thought Halo ODST was kinda ugly at times

navyguy21
ODST ran on the Halo 3 engine.........which is a modified Halo 2 engine.........which is why it looks rough. Halo Reach runs on a new, custom engine, built specifically for the 360.

you know, i hope reach does good. the blatant fanboys at my school have stopped even trying, need something to give them hope again.
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#82 After_Math
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[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

It would be hilarious if there was no HUD.:P

789shadow

Well, King Kong and Dead Space didn't have a HUD, so...who knows?

Eh, you missed the point. The devs are saying that all footage shown will be gameplay, but a lack of an HUD would call that into question.

Don't make stuff up. "...our cinematics run real time in our game engine" (Bungie) They never said they were showing gameplay, just cinematics running real-time. I assume you've played Kingdom Hearts 2 from your avatar. For the most part, except some scenes like the intro and ending (CG), it featured cutscenes with the game engine. Reach will also be like that probably.
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#83 W1NGMAN-
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Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice same on me ... that's all I'll say.

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#84 navyguy21
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Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice same on me ... that's all I'll say.

W1NGMAN-
Bungie never said that was gameplay, check the post above yours. Side note - how funny is it that there is a PS3 ad before the video starts :P
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#85 DerekLoffin
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[QUOTE="Magik85"]Well that Halo 2 trailer was on engine..if fact one scene from that is still in game ;)

Yeah, it was, but it also was significantly downgraded (even in cutscenes). You're right though that H3 did look better, but H2 did NOT match it's original trailer in any way.
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#86 nhh18
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I really don't care that bungie in game assets can make a pre-rendered, pre-baked cinematic trailers. I am amazed that uncharted 2 had beautiful cutscenes, or gears of war 2 had beautiful cutscenes. I want to see gameplay or nothing. These pre-rendered in game cinematics just brings out the stupidity in people. I can gurantee that there will be at least 100 topics about halo reach is the graphic king because of in game pre-rendered cinematic.

Don't worry. Seeing how people love to be lied to continually about pre-rendered cinematics it pleases me that they want to be lied to about halo reach at least xbox fanboys. And sony fanboys when the resistance 3 trailer hits.

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#87 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Everytime I see a Halo Reach thread I HAVE to post this :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87exl6vAivI (Leaked Halo Reach soundtrack song)

Hot damn' Marty, you've out done yourself on the music again. I hope this is the song they use in the trailer at the VGAs.

Wow, thanks for posting then. Marty always does great. :D
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#88 Avian005
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Everytime I see a Halo Reach thread I HAVE to post this :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87exl6vAivI (Leaked Halo Reach soundtrack song)

Hot damn' Marty, you've out done yourself on the music again. I hope this is the song they use in the trailer at the VGAs.

SpiritOfFire117

Wow, thanks for posting then. Marty always does great. :D

So pleasing on the ears.

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Now we have to get ready for all the OMFG HALO REACH LOOKS BETTER THEN ALL PS3 EXCLUSIVES threads ... yea this is gonna be a long repetitive road ...

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#90 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"] Well, King Kong and Dead Space didn't have a HUD, so...who knows?

After_Math

Eh, you missed the point. The devs are saying that all footage shown will be gameplay, but a lack of an HUD would call that into question.

Don't make stuff up. "...our cinematics run real time in our game engine" (Bungie) They never said they were showing gameplay, just cinematics running real-time. I assume you've played Kingdom Hearts 2 from your avatar. For the most part, except some scenes like the intro and ending (CG), it featured cutscenes with the game engine. Reach will also be like that probably.

.....I wasn't making things up. I just misread.

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#91 SpiritOfFire117
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Now we have to get ready for all the OMFG HALO REACH LOOKS BETTER THEN ALL PS3 EXCLUSIVES threads ... yea this is gonna be a long repetitive road ...

da_illest101
If not then we can expect alot of LOL FAILO TEH SUXXORZ 4 NOT LOOKING LIKE UNCHARTED 2 threads. Yeah I can agree. Long repetitive road. ;)
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#92 789shadow
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[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

Now we have to get ready for all the OMFG HALO REACH LOOKS BETTER THEN ALL PS3 EXCLUSIVES threads ... yea this is gonna be a long repetitive road ...

SpiritOfFire117

If not then we can expect alot of LOL FAILO TEH SUXXORZ 4 NOT LOOKING LIKE UNCHARTED 2 threads. Yeah I can agree. Long repetitive road. ;)

We can also look forward to "Graphics comparison #579201357349272590457290475026590347902-4790".:P

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I'm interested to see if Bungie will run 720p with 2xAA like FM3 or UC2. Halo has always had great style and incredible lighting, the jaggies and low poly characters made H3 look somewhat early/last gen. After seeing FM3 I have no doubt Reach will look amazing.

Hopefully they can step it up a level above H3 Theater Mode shots...

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#94 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"][QUOTE="da_illest101"]

Now we have to get ready for all the OMFG HALO REACH LOOKS BETTER THEN ALL PS3 EXCLUSIVES threads ... yea this is gonna be a long repetitive road ...

If not then we can expect alot of LOL FAILO TEH SUXXORZ 4 NOT LOOKING LIKE UNCHARTED 2 threads. Yeah I can agree. Long repetitive road. ;)

We can also look forward to "Graphics comparison #579201357349272590457290475026590347902-4790".:P

Because at the end of the day, isn't graphics what matters the most? :P
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#95 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

I'm interested to see if Bungie will run 720p with 2xAA like FM3 or UC2. Halo has always had great style and incredible lighting, the jaggies and low poly characters made H3 look somewhat early/last gen. After seeing FM3 I have no doubt Reach will look amazing.

Hopefully they can step it up a level above H3 Theater Mode shots...

Yeah even if Halo 3 wasn't the best looking game, there are few times where I think it looks very nice.
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#96 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"] If not then we can expect alot of LOL FAILO TEH SUXXORZ 4 NOT LOOKING LIKE UNCHARTED 2 threads. Yeah I can agree. Long repetitive road. ;)SpiritOfFire117

We can also look forward to "Graphics comparison #579201357349272590457290475026590347902-4790".:P

Because at the end of the day, isn't graphics what matters the most? :P

Yep.:P Also, the dash makes that look like the world's longest zip code.

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I'm interested to see if Bungie will run 720p with 2xAA like FM3 or UC2. Halo has always had great style and incredible lighting, the jaggies and low poly characters made H3 look somewhat early/last gen. After seeing FM3 I have no doubt Reach will look amazing.

Hopefully they can step it up a level above H3 Theater Mode shots...

gamecubepad

That actuelly looks great. :|

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#98 AAllxxjjnn
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In-game or In-engine?
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I fail how to see how dark, depressing, and unrealistic graphics equal anything close to good. Not to mention I personally think having bright flashy colors for a sci fi story is perfect. Nice and shiny.

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#100 Leejjohno
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I will remain apprehensive. I still remember the 2006 trailer enough to know that any developers can lie... a recent example is Turn 10.

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Turn 10 showed gameplay, so no they did not lie, and anyway reach could look like halo 3 and still be an incredible FPS.

Did you not see what Turn 10 showed at e3? It was a bunch of horse ****.

I just have doubts in my mind about this whole reach thing. ODST was the first Halo with focus on story telling and co-op as somebody who isn't super human. Even though this is the case it was weak and didn't stand on it's own without the MP disc. To me ODST was the best Halo game since the first and I still found it to be "not enough" to show me that Bungie is capable of making a single player experience worthy of the price tag.

ODST was the first game where they had the chance to really change the formula... really make things interesting. Instead we get Halo 1 health, you can still wield a gravity hammer, you can still rip turrets off the ground and walk around like a terminator and you can still jump 15 feet vertically.

Bungie will manage to underwhelm people in some way or another and I'm not just talking about the people who are on bandwagons either.