'But no one cares for weeaboo games'

How could he refer to the pace of sales if MS hasn't released sales numbers?

or maybe i put 5:1 because it sounds and looks huuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

Then he is an idiot. The pace of sales for the PS4 would have to more than double the current pace to match that illogical assertion.

Of course they aren't doing well on Xbox because 90% of its user base is in the west. Take away the Japanese sales for Japanese-centric games on the PS and what would they look like? I haven't given a look yet but they would probably be almost as abysmal as on the Xbox but not as bad considering the Playstation brand has had many Japanese games for years and has managed to cultivate a following of gamers who are very much into Japanese games in the west. I mean look at Persona 4 for example, nearly half of its sales are in Japan. If you took those sales away then you'd say the game has bombed. Xbox sells in the triple digits per month in Japan which is laughably bad. Whenever you release a game on Xbox you can almost ignore sales in Japan. Release a niche JRPG not only you can already not factor sales in Japan but it won't sell that much in the west either.

A niche JRPG might sell 350K in Japan and 200K in NA. That's good for over 500K which honestly isn't bad. That's for the Playstation.

That same game will sell 100K in NA on Xbox and like 10K in Japan because the Xbox is non-existent in Japan.

According to VGChartz Blue Dragon sold over 900K on Xbox which is honestly quite good. It only sold slightly over 200K in Japan but if Xbox had the footprint PS has there it could have easily sold 300K+(low estimate) and the game would have had a shot at 1M units sold which would have been a rousing success. Look at Eternal Sonata, apparently according to VGchartz it sold as well on the Xbox as it did on the PS3.

PC is easier to deal with than Xbox and has simply a far larger userbase. Traditional Japanese games tend to place very little focus on pushing visuals and technical achievements and as a result a lot of PC gamers can run them with no problem. If Atlus USA were to release Persona 5 on PC, a huge chunk of the PC market could run that PS3-level game. Same couldn't be said for the Xbox One/360. They don't have 150M+ users. Not to mention Japanese publishers don't have to deal with Microsoft when releasing their games on PC. Last but not least the ports they do are typically very minimal and cost a penny. I also wouldn't say they are seeing "A lot of success". I'd say they are far more successful than anticipated simply because nobody expected them to have any kind of success to begin with.

Xbox users don't particular shun weeaboo games. Weeaboo games have more success on PC(hard to prove) but PC's userbase is 3x as large and it's way easier to release games on Steam. Everything is digital. No storage or import cost and most importantly no need to deal with Microsoft.

Weeaboo games aren't particularly successful on PS4 in NA either BUT they are successful in Japan and the PS4 is too so why not just release them in the west too?

As I said before. The reason for the PS4 getting so many more weeaboo games has far more to do with Japan and its popularity there than Xbox gamers hating Japanese-centric games.

I rest my case.

@charizard1605: Do you have sales numbers for these games. To actually show that these games get sold a lot, and people do care? Because this doesn't show that people care. This shows that some reviewers care about it... You're using review scores as a figure to decide what the general population thinks about something, and that is COMPLETELY wrong. Look at the most sold albums of the year, and their reviews, and the other way around, the best reviews, and the number of records sold. It's not the same. Silly thread.

Xbox's best JRPG was lost odyssey, sold less than a million. They don't sell on Xbox, MS and every other fucking company does market research. Not at all surprised scalebound got cancelled.

Well Sony needs to keep focused on Japanese games for sure. Coming off of 2016, one of their worst years in gaming, I think they can bring it back in 2017 even with many of their games going multiplatform.

How can you come to that conclusive when he perfectly states

"No wonder its outselling Xbone 5:1."

If you can show specific examples. It doesn't seem to be much of a factor in Gen 7.

In Gen 8, the PS4 was already outselling the XB1 before Bloodborne released.

Weeaboo is a childish term formed by a certain stupid fanboy faction to make up for the fact that their system lacks games and 3rd party support from Japan. These games were not considered weeaboo last gen when they appeared in their system. It's another example of fanboy stupidity and hypocrisy that exists on SW. Who really gives a shit about what country a game is from as long as its good? It would be really shitty to game in a world where all the games were Western. Variety is the spice of life.

LOL, Cuphead isn't a Japanese game. It's a run and gun indie from Canada designed after American cartoons from the 30's.

When I say weeaboo I don't mean any game from Japan. The Metal Gear Solid series is clearly not a weeaboo franchise.

In the grande scheme of things weeaboo games like Persona 5 just don't sell consoles in mass and are kinda irrelevant to all but the most hardcore gamer. It could get a 100 on Metacritic and that still wouldn't change the fact that its a niche game for a specific type of gamer.

I agree with you. What happened???

Right, but as I said, I am not just referencing Japanese sales, I am also referring to western sales here. In the west as well, Japanese 'weeaboo' games tend to sell more on PS4 than they do on Xbox One- the most recent example of this is Final Fantasy 15, which ran circles around the Xbox version's performance, but that is a trend that held true as far back as on the Xbox 360- remember when FF13 jumping ship to the Xbox was a big deal? And FF13 still sold 2:1 more on PS3 than Xbox 360, and this is when the PS3 userbase was highly limited.

You are also wrong in asserting that the bulk of sales for 'weeaboo games' comes from Japan- four examples off the top of my head are DanganRonpa, Zero Escape, Fire Emblem, and yes, Persona. All four of these sell more in the west than in Japan. Even if proportionally, less people in the west are interested in these games, in absolute terms, the western market is so big that they manage more sales here regardless.

PC ports in general have done well for a lot of Japanese games- DanganRonpa, to my knowledge, performed really well, and Tales of Zestiria broke 300,000 on Steam, which is more than the PS4+PS3 versions combined sold in the west.

You are however right about Japanese developers not having to deal with Microsoft on PC, which might be making the PC a more attractive platform to them- but this loops back to the original issue you raised, which is Xbox executives for some reason, actively or passively by way of policy, hindering the fostering of an ecosystem on the Xbox that supports Japanese games. The end result remains the same- the platform is toxic for Japanese and 'weeaboo' games.

Dayum! this thread escalated so quickly.

@quadknight: That response is rich coming from someone like you. Have you read the shit you typically post?

Isnt Weaboo means your typical colorful , close to childish game or something like that ? Then my mistake.

I know about cuphead but i misunderstood what Weeaboo means big time i guess. Sorry

To be fair the Tales games use to do pretty damn well.... just not in recent memory.

People caring about playing list wars on SW =/= people actually caring about the game.

If SW awards had an award for a complete lack of self awareness this post would have romped home :P

I'm an Xbox fan, I have never once used the term weeaboo. I love games like Bayonetta, RE, FF, LO, etc. Even though I don't think of the term weeaboo when I see those games, most people don't. I noticed cows like to use blanket terms to insult Xbox gamers. Why is that? Shouldn't we all Be mature enough not to do that shit. Wtf?

@charizard1605: just like the people you say stereotype Weeaboo games, you are doing the same thing lumping Xbox fans into the same mindset which isn't necessarily true either.

Now, personally being one of the people that doesn't care about Japanese games for the most part, my opinion on them still stands. I can't speak for all Xbox fans, but I don't care about Weeaboo games. There's a few exceptions for me, but in general they are still niche games.

I have nothing against people that like japanaese games, but the problem in my opinion is Japanese game fans pushing their agenda on everyone else not the other way around. You like them that's all that matters. I dont and generally don't even talk about them, except when Sony fans use them in Lists of games trying to point out why the are superior. Then I speak my mind on not liking them to demonstrate those lists don't mean something to everyone.

It doesn't matter if Gravity Rush 2 gets a 9. With the huge PS4 base these games mostly don't sell big that's why they are called niche.

So enjoy your games, but don't be upset others don't like what you do.

'Weeaboo games' being bad -- a statement that takes many forms is the cry of the anti-gamer. Really, you can't claim to like video games and write off an entire slew of video games. You especially can't do this and claim to be a gamer when these games have undoubtedly influenced games you play.

Most critical games are Japanese, and many remain that way. Audiences for these games are the same audiences for all well designed games. Nintendo, most of Sega's, Konami, Capcom etc. are all Japanese companies which have played the main role in influencing video game design and development.

This is why when someone places a heavy demarcation between 'western' and 'Japanese' games using the 'weeaboo' slander, they really just don't understand the history of video game development. It has little to nothing to do with people seeking out Japanese games (although there is an element with anime design); more of the appeal is the ensured continuation of the trend of designing great games. Most of them still come from Japan.

Basically, if you seek out well designed games, they will be Japanese, or what anti-gamers like to call 'weeaboo.' I think this is part of the point Chaz makes. Even if one claims to not like Japanese games, more often than not, they actually appreciate Japanese game design choices. Not a 'weeaboo' thing either.

It's Canaboo that's even worst.

@charizard1605: As others have said weeboo (on this board) has never been equated with main stream Japanese games, only the niche, usually odd, JRPG's and similar games.

I usually don't agree with @Juub1990, but he has you on that one. You can't say that there are more Xbox fans who brush off those games because all you have to prove that are personal anecdotes and generalizations.

Is it right that people dismiss certain games because of personal biases or false narratives about those games? Absolutely not. Is it right for you to claim that one fanbase is more likely to do have these biases than another fanbase? Absolutely not.

It's probably the other way around honestly. There are probably a larger percentage of "dudebro" gamers on PS4 right now than there are people who appreciate games of all types, at least in NA.

Well PS4 has twice as many units sold as Xbox One so I kinda expected it to sell a lot more copies of FF XV on the Xbox One.

Gonna reference VGChartz again. According to their site FF XIII sold 1.74M units in NA on PS3 and 1.26 units in NA on Xbox 360. The difference honestly isn't that massive. The difference gets massive in Japan where apparently the game sold 1.87M on the PS4 and a meager 10K units on Xbox 360. There is also a large difference in Europe but again, last I checked PS3 sold a heck of a lot more in Europe than Xbox 360. I agree weeaboo games are more popular on the PS platform simply because it has amassed a larger following over more years but the narrative that Xbox users shun it is false.

Not saying the bulk of all Japanese game sales come from Japan, I'm saying they sell a lot in Japan sometimes over 50% but they often make up 30-40% of total sales. On Xbox you can pretty much forget about Japanese sales.

PC ports have done a lot better than people thought. I honestly believed they would barely break 100K even for the more popular ones. You also gotta factor the fact that last gen the bulk of game sales still came from brick and mortar. We're gradually shifting to digital but physical copies are still very important on consoles and importing them and storing them cost money to publishers. It's much more appealing to sell Tales of Zestria at 20$ as a digital download than it is to sell it for 39$ in a box at a local Wal-Mart.

The platform might be toxic but you pointed out the fans as if they're the ones who don't want Japanese games and that's false. They don't buy Japanese games as much as PS gamers but they don't shun them either.

1. PS is more successful in Japan and thus Japanese games are too. As a result Japanese games get released on it and releasing them to western audiences is not risky.

2. As a result of point number 1. PS has cultivated a larger following of gamers who like Japanese games than Xbox.

3. Assuming a Japanese game bombs in the west on PS, it can still be successful in Japan. If it bombs in the west on Xbox it sure as hell won't be any more successful in Japan.

Xbox gamers don't specifically dislike Japanese games. Western gamers tend to play and buy them less. The vast majority of Xbox gamers are westerners. Compare sales of Japanese games only in NA where the PS and Xbox have at least comparable sales and you'll see Japanese games don't sell that much more on the PS than on the Xbox.

You can just look a games sells for so called weabo games across both platfrom for the last few generation including this one to prove that char is correct in his assumption that more Xbox fans brush off weabos. It's not that hard to find.

I think this holiday season is the first time this generation that the PS4 sold more so-called dudebros shooters that is strictly based on PS4 installer base.

If you take a look at this board though, every Japanese game gets fired at from Xbox fans. It isn't much different outside of these boards.

And 'odd?' Come on. A game isn't odd because it's not a testosterone-filled quake wannbe gory shooter.

For the older Western users developing in the 80/90's, action heroes at their prime such as Arnold Scharzenegger. Sylvester Stallone and to the lesser extent Jean Claude Van Damme were a major influence.

Far from being some man, these were akin to Greek Gods, something to aspire towards, however unrealistic. The alpha male persona they emitted, completely contradicts the effeminate metrosexual appeal of the East, appealing to the youth now. Aside from obscure movies shown at 3am most people would have no concept of what anime was.

This is why a great deal of older (remarkably mature) users look down on anime. To us, as exampled below, this is the ideal male -

With older actors turning to schlock, this ideal is returning somwhat thanks to Liam Neeson in Taken, Keanu Reeves in John Wick and Denzel Washington in The Equalizer.

This makes me very happy inside, it's both petrifying and disturbing that the youth of today aspire towards this.

Just one factor as to the of a lack of appeal, albeit a major one. Anime girls sinks considerably lower and directly makes you question where humanity went wrong.

Well the fact about weeaboo games that weeaboos like to avoid is that Sony it self don't even support or invest money in any weeaboo trash. All most all of their heavy hitters, hell I would say all of their First Party is western. The reason it even has such games is because Japan only buy their products and obviously Japanese devs have no choice but to develop for a platform Japan plays on.

Roided out dudes with fucking insanely large biceps: normal.

Comic book style girl who can manipulate gravity: weaboo! what is happening to our children? Where's the imagination?

LEMS: HE MOD NO SPEAK

@sHaDyCuBe321: exactly. I think the TC's real issue is with the term 'weeaboo' itself, and not people not liking the games. it's seen as derogatory, like being called a nerd or a geek.

But don't lump all the madness on Xbox fans. I know just as many PlayStation owners that hate Weeaboo games as Xbox owners.

Everyone doesn't share the love of all things Japan.

"Blargh all xbox fans suck, western games are roided out men"

"OMG why do xbox fans stereotype Japanese games and gamers?!?! SO ANGRY"

Yea, because its all one sided :P

"Weeaboo" isn't a term that was created by Xbox fans and so by extension, neither was "weeaboo games/gamers". It's used on this forum by Xbox fans (not even exclusively by them either) as a way of getting under your skin. Stereotypes like that work well on anyone. Think about it like this: Nintendo is "kiddie", Sony is "weeaboo", Xbox is "dudebro", and PC is "supremacist". None of these sweeping generalizations are true of the entire fanbase, but are used to capitalize on how well it works in angering people that are in those groups.

Honestly, to all of the morons bashing games because they don't have guns and killing people (usually Russians) or are developed in Japan, your loss. Go ahead and push your nationalistic xenophobic nonsense -- you are only giving everyone else an example of how they should not behave. If a diverse library of games is something you guys shouting "weaboo" are so repulsed by, you are only hurting yourselves by keeping yourself from enjoying new games. Not my problem.

Japanese video game developers have played the primary historical role in popularizing video games and pioneering many aspects of game design today. Chances are, you have already played something Japanese developed or inspired by early developers like Miyamoto.

Jubb, Tito and several others all mad as hell. This thread is great.

They have no counter argument so they retreated to smear campaign. Sad.

I'm the same way, I don't like using the SW terms other then besides Manticore, that term fits well for me or anyone who likes all systems.

It's actually more like this: Japanese developed game gets high rating and people enjoy it. Also not on Xbox.

Xbox fanboys: It's weaboo trash anyway!

Gamers: Have you played it? It's fun.

Xbox fanboys: Weaboo! [insert justification here, usually something about the character design]


Take a look at the people bashing "weaboo" games in this thread. When these games release on Xbox, where is the torrent of vitriol? I'm willing to bet that the people who buy games only for their favorite box might actually have picked them up and enjoyed them!

The only term I've used since being here was fanboy. Just started using troll cause a lot of guys in here clearly does that but all those other terms are just kiddy and childish to me.

Damn, what happened here.

I think most people can guess my stance on this. Good thread @charizard1605, you're on a roll :p

@darkspineslayer: Read the thread before saying my name and spewing idiocy.

You know, we all do it to ourselves though by choosing to come to SYSTEM WARS. We know that every day when we launch this site, go to this forum to this particular section it will be filled with vitriol, hate, trolling, fanboyism, racism, stereotyping, goal post moving, name calling and almost NOTHING about actual game play.

It's like morbid curiosity that keeps me coming back. It is a time sink at work.

To those who knock JRPG, Ni No Kuni was a great game and is your lost not to try it!

I always found the weeaboo games to be the very shitty niche games that only finalstar2007 likes. Neptunia, for example.

Of course they ran like cowardly dogs, they all think it's this Xbox Smear conspiracy here in SW. This is just another Charizard1605 discussion about JRPG games on an Xbox brand, that's it.

Spot on. Every fan of Japanese games also plays some Western ones as well, but the people who openly avoid all things Japanese and use that derogatory term only play limited genres. Therefor you are right, they aren't real gamers, but casual ones.

I guess using such language is a defense mechanism to cover up their gaming short comings.

For the most part... I have seen the odd person here call FFXV or MGSV weeb games. For some it has just become synonymous with Japanese games

To me, MGS just seems like a Japanese developed Western game that has, of course, Japanese influence. I played the MGS HD collection on Xbox, MGS 4 on PS3, and then the MGS 5 game on PS4. Not the full MGS 5, but the free one that they gave away during PSN+ month, that leads up to MGS 5 full release. I enjoy stealth games so I found them to be enjoyable. I have never thought of them as this "weeb" game.