Can a 2005 PC compete with current gen consoles?

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

Why would you expect a 2005 rig to play 2011/2012 PC games maxed out/modded? You realize current games are optimized for the latest hardware, right?

princeofshapeir

I believe TC was comparing what a 2005 console could do compared to a 2005 pc of comparable price.

A lot of good feedback.. but it seems the general consensus is that a 2005 PC would be comparable/slightly better than current consoles, however it wouldn't be able to run most of today's titles. These same titles that run on the 360/PS3...

A lot of good feedback.. but it seems the general consensus is that a 2005 PC would be comparable/slightly better than current consoles, however it wouldn't be able to run most of today's titles. These same titles that run on the 360/PS3...

OhSnapitz

Multiplats are generally a different story to exclusives. One will run multiplats fairly similarly to the consoles with similar hardware,b ut the PC does get some sloppy ports.

Regardless, they are different beasts. As an example, Windows has a much higher footprint than that of the console firmwares.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] 1) you don't need microsoft office at all for a dedicated gaming machine 2) you don't need to upgrade your GPU every year if you buy a good one nowShielder7

PC doesn't have start and end life cycle... it's not a console.

No aspirin needed more then console...

I thought Xbox360 came out in 2007. Was it 2005? Anyway doesn't matter much. Running a game on a PC is not the same as running one on a console.

A lot of good feedback.. but it seems the general consensus is that a 2005 PC would be comparable/slightly better than current consoles, however it wouldn't be able to run most of today's titles. These same titles that run on the 360/PS3...

OhSnapitz

Can it run those games? Yeah, can it max them out? Nope, the hardware is too old. I remember when I had the 7900GT (2GBs ram, AMD 3500) I could run Crysis at medium-high at 1680x1050 (if I recall correctly), so I am sure that the 7900GT/7800GTX could run Witcher 2 and etc at similar levels to the console version. That being said, who the hell keeps a PC for more than 3 years? I make sure I change mine (at least some parts) every 3 years (at least). The average person would have gone through 2 PC's within that time span, especially with the release of new OS's, new processors (dual core, quad core, etc) since the release of the Xbox360. In fact this thread is stupid, given that a PC does more than a console, people use a PC in order to be productive and do work, on top of watching movies and paying games (I stream HD movies from my PC to my X360, to do this they have to be trans coded, which requires a good multi core processor). Since essentially everyone buys PC's anyway, your comparison is moot. Plus, come on man, spending...for example 2000-2500 in a generation for a PC and its upgrades is chump change (unless if one has no job or only has an HS education). Another thing, since the PS3 and Wii did not come out till 2006, a more apt comparison would have been PCs from 2006, especially given that there were essentially no wortwhile games on the X360 in 2005 and 1st half of 06. A 8800GTX could play Crysis on max, and other games at better settings than consoles. It would certainly be able to max out all the multiplats.

An another note pretty sure the OP is a fanboy who doesnt know anything

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

A lot of good feedback.. but it seems the general consensus is that a 2005 PC would be comparable/slightly better than current consoles, however it wouldn't be able to run most of today's titles. These same titles that run on the 360/PS3...

lundy86_4

Multiplats are generally a different story to exclusives. One will run multiplats fairly similarly to the consoles with similar hardware,b ut the PC does get some sloppy ports.

Regardless, they are different beasts. As an example, Windows has a much higher footprint than that of the console firmwares.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

A lot of good feedback.. but it seems the general consensus is that a 2005 PC would be comparable/slightly better than current consoles, however it wouldn't be able to run most of today's titles. These same titles that run on the 360/PS3...

04dcarraher

Multiplats are generally a different story to exclusives. One will run multiplats fairly similarly to the consoles with similar hardware,b ut the PC does get some sloppy ports.

Regardless, they are different beasts. As an example, Windows has a much higher footprint than that of the console firmwares.

Exactly. Hence why it isn't directly comparable.

Just a curious question.. as a few gamers tend to think that PC gaming is inexpensive. I'm not saying you can't get a great rig for say $600.. But would that $600 rig purchased/built in 2005, be able to run The Witcher 2, Skyrim ect.. in all their modded glory? I'm not flamming.. it's a simple question to the tech heads out their.

OhSnapitz

Those games were developed in 2011, using knowledge, skills etc developed for 2011. A 2005 PC could run the console version of those games if they were coded for the PC. It won't be able to run the PC version of those games because it is coded differently with different restrictions in mind. A console game is developed under very tight restrictions, a PC game isn't because the hardware has advanced so much.

So the question is, would a 2005 PC run current console games if the PC version was coded with the restrictions the console versions are coded with. - The answer to this is yes they would.

Would a 2005 PC be able to run the PC versions. Absolutely not. Two completely different things.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Just a curious question.. as a few gamers tend to think that PC gaming is inexpensive. I'm not saying you can't get a great rig for say $600.. But would that $600 rig purchased/built in 2005, be able to run The Witcher 2, Skyrim ect.. in all their modded glory? I'm not flamming.. it's a simple question to the tech heads out their.

iamrob7

Those games were developed in 2011, using knowledge, skills etc developed for 2011. A 2005 PC could run the console version of those games if they were coded for the PC. It won't be able to run the PC version of those games because it is coded differently with different restrictions in mind. A console game is developed under very tight restrictions, a PC game isn't because the hardware has advanced so much.

So the question is, would a 2005 PC run current console games if the PC version was coded with the restrictions the console versions are coded with. - The answer to this is yes they would.

Would a 2005 PC be able to run the PC versions. Absolutely not. Two completely different things.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Just a curious question.. as a few gamers tend to think that PC gaming is inexpensive. I'm not saying you can't get a great rig for say $600.. But would that $600 rig purchased/built in 2005, be able to run The Witcher 2, Skyrim ect.. in all their modded glory? I'm not flamming.. it's a simple question to the tech heads out their.

iamrob7

Those games were developed in 2011, using knowledge, skills etc developed for 2011. A 2005 PC could run the console version of those games if they were coded for the PC. It won't be able to run the PC version of those games because it is coded differently with different restrictions in mind. A console game is developed under very tight restrictions, a PC game isn't because the hardware has advanced so much.

So the question is, would a 2005 PC run current console games if the PC version was coded with the restrictions the console versions are coded with. - The answer to this is yes they would.

Would a 2005 PC be able to run the PC versions. Absolutely not. Two completely different things.

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Just a curious question.. as a few gamers tend to think that PC gaming is inexpensive. I'm not saying you can't get a great rig for say $600.. But would that $600 rig purchased/built in 2005, be able to run The Witcher 2, Skyrim ect.. in all their modded glory? I'm not flamming.. it's a simple question to the tech heads out their.

OhSnapitz

Those games were developed in 2011, using knowledge, skills etc developed for 2011. A 2005 PC could run the console version of those games if they were coded for the PC. It won't be able to run the PC version of those games because it is coded differently with different restrictions in mind. A console game is developed under very tight restrictions, a PC game isn't because the hardware has advanced so much.

So the question is, would a 2005 PC run current console games if the PC version was coded with the restrictions the console versions are coded with. - The answer to this is yes they would.

Would a 2005 PC be able to run the PC versions. Absolutely not. Two completely different things.

2005 based hardware is for the most part on on equal footing compared to current consoles but 2006 onward its a totally different game.

This topic has me curious. So, I decided to go on aparallel path and see how far games will install and play fine on a 2001 1.47ghz Athlon XP 1700+ and a GF4-Ti4200 which would be PS2-era tech.

FEAR ran okay. I know Doom 3 did. This is the same PC I first installed it on when Doom 3 was brand new. :lol:

Tomb Raider: Legend from 2006 also installed and played fine at 640x480. I just got done installing and playing Tomb Raider: Anniversary (2007). I'm currently installing Oblivion with Crysis standing by. He He.

PC is different so...

the 360 would make a 2005 pc cry. Ah, the beauty of console optimization. Meanwhile the 2005 pc would runs current games like **** (or not even at all). You are forced to pony up $1k to compete with 360 because the 2005 pc is so outdated, while 360 runs these games fine. Hermits deny the truth though, as always

the 360 would make a 2005 pc cry. Ah, the beauty of console optimization. Meanwhile the 2005 pc would runs current games like **** (or not even at all). You are forced to pony up $1k to compete with 360 because the 2005 pc is so outdated, while 360 runs these games fine. Hermits deny the truth though, as always

reach3

$1k would put the PC in a different league. They wouldn't be competing.

the 360 would make a 2005 pc cry. Ah, the beauty of console optimization. Meanwhile the 2005 pc would runs current games like **** (or not even at all). You are forced to pony up $1k to compete with 360 because the 2005 pc is so outdated, while 360 runs these games fine. Hermits deny the truth though, as always

reach3

2xx1900xtx in crossfire pared with a fast amd x2? maybeJigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="reach3"]

the 360 would make a 2005 pc cry. Ah, the beauty of console optimization. Meanwhile the 2005 pc would runs current games like **** (or not even at all). You are forced to pony up $1k to compete with 360 because the 2005 pc is so outdated, while 360 runs these games fine. Hermits deny the truth though, as always

lundy86_4

$1k would put the PC in a different league. They wouldn't be competing.

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[QUOTE="reach3"]

the 360 would make a 2005 pc cry. Ah, the beauty of console optimization. Meanwhile the 2005 pc would runs current games like **** (or not even at all). You are forced to pony up $1k to compete with 360 because the 2005 pc is so outdated, while 360 runs these games fine. Hermits deny the truth though, as always

jonathant5

$1k would put the PC in a different league. They wouldn't be competing.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

$1k would put the PC in a different league. They wouldn't be competing.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]2xx1900xtx in crossfire pared with a fast amd x2? maybe04dcarraher

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[QUOTE="jonathant5"] Exactly, if you buy a PC for $1000 now (or bought one in 2008), that PC will still put the X360 to shame, and will run the multiplat games at a higher resolution, at a higher FPS with better graphics (textures, AA, AF, etc). They would not even be in the same damn league. A top of the line PC from 2005 can still match the X360 on all multiplat games. Remember this, the X360 runs most games at 720p or below, while for PC gamers the standard is 1080p (used to be 1680x1050 2-3 years ago). Anyway a 2005 PC can still play X360 multiplats at an equal or better than the X360 (unless if it was a bad port, like Splinter Cell DA, which was crap). And reach3, $1000 is nothing. Realize that a PC is a productivity machine. I can do everything on it. I am more than willing to pay $1000 for it. It helps me get my job done, it helps me make money (investing in financial assets can make one lots of money) and is an entertainment center. Anyway, those who have a decent income and those who do not live with their parents would realize that. jonathant5

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]2xx1900xtx in crossfire pared with a fast amd x2? maybesuperclocked

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] I built a beast of a Pc in 2007 for $700 and in 2008 I added another gpu for SLI for another $125 and it nearly doubled my graphics performance and that system lasted me nearly 3 years without touching it creaming consoles and all games before it until direct x 11 :) . Then I upgraded my cpu/mobo/memory while keeping those gpu's which I used for nearly another year before getting a GTX 560ti. That Pc is still going strong in the heads of one of my buddies an avid 360 user and even he can see the major differences in ability between the two.

superclocked

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 4.5GHz will beat PowerPC 970 X3 1.6Ghz.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] I built a beast of a Pc in 2007 for $700 and in 2008 I added another gpu for SLI for another $125 and it nearly doubled my graphics performance and that system lasted me nearly 3 years without touching it creaming consoles and all games before it until direct x 11 :) . Then I upgraded my cpu/mobo/memory while keeping those gpu's which I used for nearly another year before getting a GTX 560ti. That Pc is still going strong in the heads of one of my buddies an avid 360 user and even he can see the major differences in ability between the two.

superclocked

Nice. What I usually do is by the mid-end parts (meaning like the 7900GT, or 8800GTS or the GTX560) given that the mid end ones are the best bang for the buck. The parts like GTX580 are, imo, far too over priced. Anyway I replace the GPU every 2 years and always have a PC that can run the top stuff. Granted right now, my processor is a bit old, but the Q6600 (OC'd to 3Ghz) still gets the job done surprisingly well.

Why would you expect a 2005 rig to play 2011/2012 PC games maxed out/modded? You realize current games are optimized for the latest hardware, right?

princeofshapeir

A 2006 PS3 runs 2012 PS3 games just fine.

I don't know if you could build a computer in general from 05 that can run current games unless you had a dual CPU board. How many new games can run on an Athlon X2?

Here's a dude running Skyrim @ 1366*768 and medium detail on a AMD Turion X2 2.2ghz and a mobility 4650.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pntjpHogcg

According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html the mobility HD4650 is on par with 2005 period cards like the 7800GT and X1950GT. So this laptop probably has similar specs as a pc from 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi788F7vhHY

Here's a dude running the witcher 2 on a AMD X2 and a 9500gt, the 9500gt is also a card on par with the 7800GT and X1950GT.

So yeah, modern PC games are runnable on an old dual core with a 2005/2006 era GPU.

Here's a dude running Skyrim @ 1366*768 and medium detail on a AMD Turion X2 2.2ghz and a mobility 4650.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pntjpHogcg

According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html the mobility HD4650 is on par with 2005 period cards like the 7800GT and X1950GT. So this laptop probably has similar specs as a pc from 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi788F7vhHY

Here's a dude running the witcher 2 on a AMD X2 and a 9500gt, the 9500gt is also a card on par with the 7800GT and X1950GT.

So yeah, modern PC games are runnable on an old dual core with a 2005/2006 era GPU.

Heyhuub

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

Here's a dude running Skyrim @ 1366*768 and medium detail on a AMD Turion X2 2.2ghz and a mobility 4650.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pntjpHogcg

According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html the mobility HD4650 is on par with 2005 period cards like the 7800GT and X1950GT. So this laptop probably has similar specs as a pc from 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi788F7vhHY

Here's a dude running the witcher 2 on a AMD X2 and a 9500gt, the 9500gt is also a card on par with the 7800GT and X1950GT.

So yeah, modern PC games are runnable on an old dual core with a 2005/2006 era GPU.

loosingENDS

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

lol, but you have no right to talk about PC. You are to poor :D You should get a job and help your family instead. bro tip.

Just a curious question.. as a few gamers tend to think that PC gaming is inexpensive. I'm not saying you can't get a great rig for say $600.. But would that $600 rig purchased/built in 2005, be able to run The Witcher 2, Skyrim ect.. in all their modded glory? I'm not flamming.. it's a simple question to the tech heads out their.

OhSnapitz

PC IS more expensive than consoles. Just not as much as people think (especially hypocrites who have both a console AND a less than 6 years old PC at home... If they had put a bit more money in the PC, it would murder their console in performance). And a PC plays games much better, has more variety, and besides that can do a million things consoles can't.

However, you have to understand that even a mediocre PC (maybe not a 2005 one, but close enough) can play games like TW2 or Skyrim at console settings. 720p or less and medium/low graphics isn't a system hog. Then again, what PC gamer would want to limit himself to that garbage? Every 4 years or so there's a sweet spot in GC performance that allows you to enjoy great graphics for a long time (8800 -> 560Ti or HD6950). I've never felt the need to upgrade all the time.

I don't know if you could build a computer in general from 05 that can run current games unless you had a dual CPU board. How many new games can run on an Athlon X2?

magnax1

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

Here's a dude running Skyrim @ 1366*768 and medium detail on a AMD Turion X2 2.2ghz and a mobility 4650.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pntjpHogcg

According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html the mobility HD4650 is on par with 2005 period cards like the 7800GT and X1950GT. So this laptop probably has similar specs as a pc from 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi788F7vhHY

Here's a dude running the witcher 2 on a AMD X2 and a 9500gt, the 9500gt is also a card on par with the 7800GT and X1950GT.

So yeah, modern PC games are runnable on an old dual core with a 2005/2006 era GPU.

loosingENDS

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

Here's a dude running Skyrim @ 1366*768 and medium detail on a AMD Turion X2 2.2ghz and a mobility 4650.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pntjpHogcg

According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html the mobility HD4650 is on par with 2005 period cards like the 7800GT and X1950GT. So this laptop probably has similar specs as a pc from 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi788F7vhHY

Here's a dude running the witcher 2 on a AMD X2 and a 9500gt, the 9500gt is also a card on par with the 7800GT and X1950GT.

So yeah, modern PC games are runnable on an old dual core with a 2005/2006 era GPU.

BlowMonkeys

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

lol, but you have no right to talk about PC. You are to poor :D You should get a job and help your family instead. bro tip.

I am poor, yet i have two laptops and a 3Ghz dual core, 4GB ram, 64bit OS desktop, all consoles and huge game library

Not really, i just dont game on PC, i work on PC and that is the reason why i am the exact opposite of poor, i dont waste my time and money on PC

i dont waste my time and money on PC

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="BlowMonkeys"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

loosingENDS

lol, but you have no right to talk about PC. You are to poor :D You should get a job and help your family instead. bro tip.

I am poor, yet i have two laptops and a 3Ghz dual core, 4GB ram, 64bit OS desktop, all consoles and huge game library

Not really, i just dont game on PC, i work on PC and that is the reason why i am the exact opposite of poor, i dont waste my time and money on PC

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

i dont waste my time and money on PC

skrat_01

Actually i work as i post in forums, always

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

i dont waste my time and money on PC

loosingENDS

Actually i work as i post in forums, always

Microsoft spy confirmed

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="edidili"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] because they're not the same price a good gaming PC cost quite a bit more than say one prebuilt at walmart. especially once you factor in all the software that comes with them.Shielder7

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

ronvalencia

I dont see what SKyrim graphics have to do with Witcher 2, GEars 3, Crysis 2 ones

Also from your link

"I was playing on low-medium settings (1280x1024). I got 15-18 fps idling, and about 8 when things are going down, like fighting and buildings breaking etc"

So, xbox 360 that runs it at 30fps, is about 4 times stronger than 7800GTX or more

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Sorry, does not work that way

The cards are not same and did not even exist in 2005, so how could one buy them ?

Just accept that 2005 PC hardware is useless now, while 360 still sthrives and is getting better and better with Witcher 2, Gears 3, Crysis 2 and soon Ryse etc

loosingENDS

I dont see what SKyrim graphics have to do with Witcher 2, GEars 3, Crysis 2 ones

Also from your link

"I was playing on low-medium settings (1280x1024). I got 15-18 fps idling, and about 8 when things are going down, like fighting and buildings breaking etc"

So, xbox 360 that runs it at 30fps, is about 4 times stronger than 7800GTX or more