Can anyone beat Goku?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="fr3ddiemercury"]

TOO MUCH TEXT Masenkoe

Holy sh!t.....no offense but you have WAY too much time on your hands bro.

I think you spend way more time spewing BS on System Wars, m8.

More like spewing the truth on SW, m8. :cool:

umm didn't dude die soo many times that even the dragon couldn't bring him back?

Goku is best.

/thread

Masenkoe

Superman carried more than 7 planets tied to a series of planet sized chains. Goku would be destroyed.

/he uses galaxies as shurikens :P

I hate how people take inconsistencies from both worlds and try to compare them.

Take the most impressive instances from both series. Superman sneezes away a galaxy but had problems fighting a human that bested him cause he had martial arts knowledge which Superman has none of(Dumb as f*** but whatever.)

Ultimate Buu was ready to rip apart the Universe and wipe everything in existence out before Vegito stopped him. SS4 Goku is apparently stronger than him by beating people stronger than Ultimate Buu like Baby but the most damage Baby ever done was destroy a city.

See how dumb this argument is?

/he uses galaxies as shurikens :P

Giancar

Who da...?

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Holy sh!t.....no offense but you have WAY too much time on your hands bro.

ShadowMoses900

I think you spend way more time spewing BS on System Wars, m8.

More like spewing the truth on SW, m8. :cool:

Didn't you say you were leaving because people were making fun of you?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

I think you spend way more time spewing BS on System Wars, m8.

slimjimbadboy

More like spewing the truth on SW, m8. :cool:

Didn't you say you were leaving because people were making fun of you?

I don't care anymore. The people that make fun of me are just sad and lonely, I don't care what faceless internet losers think about me. :cool:

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

/he uses galaxies as shurikens :P

GreekGameManiac

Who da...?

how do u not know who that is?

/he uses galaxies as shurikens :P

Giancar

I hate how people take inconsistencies from both worlds and try to compare them.

Take the most impressive instances from both series. Superman sneezes away a galaxy but had problems fighting a human that bested him cause he had martial arts knowledge which Superman has none of(Dumb as f*** but whatever.)

Ultimate Buu was ready to rip apart the Universe and wipe everything in existence out before Vegito stopped him. SS4 Goku is apparently stronger than him by beating people stronger than Ultimate Buu like Baby but the most damage Baby ever done was destroy a city.

See how dumb this argument is?

DanteSuikoden

That Superman example is Plot Induced Stupidity and you know it.

In any vs debate Plot induced stupidity is always ignored because it's simple common sense. Both sides are always taken at their best without something like Plot Induced Stupidity crippling them.

Ultimate Buu may have said that but that doesn't mean he could.

Cell also said he could wipe a Solar System with a single Kamehameha blast and as shown with his clash with Gohan he couldn't.

EDIT: Dragonball is famous for it's PIS moments.

Buu had Vegito turned into a piece of candy and could have easily chewed him and finished but no he has to now gloat in the classic DB way.

Vegeta is a walking PIS machine

Mystic Gohan not being able to catch an earring thrown by Goku

Krillin and the entire Z team never thinking to try a Destructo disc against Freiza again.

Cell forgetting Piccolo had regenarative powers even though he has Piccolo's cells inside of him

Frieza not Killing Nail even though Nail caused him a fair amount of trouble

Krillin running from Frieza after he was blinded by a Solar Flare and completely vulnerable

Super Perfect Cell not finishing Gohan when he had more than enough power to do it and Gohan in his classic Gohan way was doubting himself as usual.

One of the worst of all

Goku dying against Cell even though he had ample time to IT to King Kai's planet and then to safety with Kai, Bubbles and Gregory.

Trunks and Goten becoming Super Saiyans when the main requirement to ascend was a great need, what possible great need could 2 little children in peace times have. They had a more believable way of doing it when Buu killed Chichi and Bulma rather than offscreen magic.

Or how about a frog that just happened to jump into Goku's hand for him to throw as Ginyu was about to jump to Vegeta's body.

Marvel characters that easily solo the DBverse. Not just beating Goku but the entire Dragonball verse as well (Many if not all in one hit).

Professor X

Odin

Thor

Hulk

Beta Ray Bill

Black Bolt

Dr Strange

Gladiator

Heimdall

Hercules

Frakie Ray Nova

Regular Nova

Quasar

Sentry

Silver Surfer

Uatu the watcher

Adam Warlock

The Asgardian Destroyer

Beyonder (Both the Pre and Post Retcon versions, his Pre-Retcon version absolutely stomped all over his Post Retcon version with power that could wipe not just a universe but entire multiverses. He was nigh-omnipotent before the Retcon)

The Champion

Death

Drax

Eternity

The Inbetweener

Impossible Man

Grandmaster

Firelord

Ronan The Accuser

Phoenix

The One Above All (The outright most powerful being in fictional existence)

Living Tribunal

Kubik

Zeus

Stardust

The Shaper of Worlds

The Runner

Blackheart

Amatsu Mikaboshi

Abraxas

Ego the Living Planet

Dormammu

Juggernaut

High Evolutionary

Fury

Mephisto

Magneto

Mad Jim Jaspers

Loki

Shuma Gorath

Onslaught

Oblivion

Molecule Man

Thanos

Terrax The Tamer

Surtur

Walker

Vulcan

Tyrant

Just to name a few of them and 70%+ of those characters destroy universes easily.

Whut.:|

Goku has been killed before by a death ball.

Whut.:|

Goku has been killed before by a death ball.

super600

A Death Ball......

No,it never happened.

What are you talking about???

[QUOTE="super600"]

Whut.:|

Goku has been killed before by a death ball.

GreekGameManiac

A Death Ball......

No,it never happened.

What are you talking about???

I remember a bad guy goku was fighting launched some massive spirit ball or bomb at him and it killed him.

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Whut.:|

Goku has been killed before by a death ball.

super600

A Death Ball......

No,it never happened.

What are you talking about???

I remember a bad guy goku was fighting launched some massive spirit ball or bomb at him and it killed him.

Baby Vegeta and no it didn't kill him but it would have killed him but fortunately for him Kabitokai saved him but accidentally dropped him into a different dimension when using IT to get away.

I remember a bad guy goku was fighting launched some massive spirit ball or bomb at him and it killed him.

super600

Your memory is fooling you....

That never happened.

TC is too low level, topic is OT, and DragonBallZ is over rated (seriously an hour of people just screaming?).

/thread

In any vs debate Plot induced stupidity is always ignored because it's simple common sense.

ugoo18

No it's not as it was happening in the thread, that's why I mentioned it in the first place. I'd assume you're far on the side of superman cause of that tirade you went on about DBZ characters as if I didn't mention an inconsistency in that universe. Speaking of that, you mentioned a lot of dumb ones that are easily answered, save the piccollo/cell one and the goten/trunks ss transformation, as opposed to the many you could have mentioned.

And Ultimate Buu wasn't the one to say that he was capable of destroying the universe he was just about to do it until Vegito realized what he was about to do, announced it, and stopped him.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

In any vs debate Plot induced stupidity is always ignored because it's simple common sense.

DanteSuikoden

No it's not as it was happening in the thread, that's why I mentioned it in the first place. I'd assume you're far on the side of superman cause of that tirade you went on about DBZ characters as if I didn't mention an inconsistency in that universe. Speaking of that, you mentioned a lot of dumb ones that are easily answered, save the piccollo/cell one and the goten/trunks ss transformation, as opposed to the many you could have mentioned.

And Ultimate Buu wasn't the one to say that he was capable of destroying the universe he was just about to do it until Vegito realized what he was about to do, announced it, and stopped him.

Im not far on the side of anything.

The feats and abilities more than speak for themselves. Goku loses everytime, the only way someone would think otherwise is if DB is literally one of the few manga/anime or comics they have read or watched with planetary destruction or they watched/read DB as a child and therefore are nostalgic towards it or they simply don't know much about Superman or any of the plethora of comic and manga characters that easily break Goku over their knee without breaking a sweat.

A lot of dumb ones, alright explain them.

Buu had Vegito turned into a piece of candy and could have easily chewed him and finished but no he has to now gloat in the classic DB way (You know DB is famous for it's long winded speeches or gloatfests between fighters)

Vegeta is a walking PIS machine (He's the reason Cell even achieved his Perfect form, he very nearly granted Ginyu the win due to his arrogance)

Mystic Gohan not being able to catch an earring thrown by Goku (The most powerful unfused being in DBZ could not catch an earring thrown by Goku yet was speed blitzing Super Buu, that makes perfect sense -_-)

Krillin and the entire Z team never thinking to try a Destructo disc against Freiza again (If it worked once there is obviously no chance of it working again right)

Cell forgetting Piccolo had regenarative powers even though he has Piccolo's cells inside of him

Frieza not Killing Nail even though Nail caused him a fair amount of trouble

Krillin running from Frieza after he was blinded by a Solar Flare and completely vulnerable (Fear is possibly the only plausible reason for this and even then)

Super Perfect Cell not finishing Gohan when he had more than enough power to do it and Gohan in his classic Gohan way was doubting himself as usual (There is no explanation that possibly justifies this, he went the gloat path and lost in classic DB fashion)

Goku dying against Cell even though he had ample time to IT to King Kai's planet and then to safety with Kai, Bubbles and Gregory (The time he spent saying unneccesary goodbyes could have easily been used to get back to safety, Cell could not move at all due to puffing himself up that much)

Trunks and Goten becoming Super Saiyans when the main requirement to ascend was a great need, what possible great need could 2 little children in peace times have. They had a more believable way of doing it when Buu killed Chichi and Bulma rather than offscreen magic.

Frog that just happened to jump into Goku's hand for him to throw as Ginyu was about to jump to Vegeta's body. (This is absolutely one of the worst in the series, that magic frog that jumped into Goku's hand at that exact moment Ginyu was on the verge of victory).

Captain Picard would beat him without even getting out of his chair

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

In any vs debate Plot induced stupidity is always ignored because it's simple common sense.

ugoo18

No it's not as it was happening in the thread, that's why I mentioned it in the first place. I'd assume you're far on the side of superman cause of that tirade you went on about DBZ characters as if I didn't mention an inconsistency in that universe. Speaking of that, you mentioned a lot of dumb ones that are easily answered, save the piccollo/cell one and the goten/trunks ss transformation, as opposed to the many you could have mentioned.

And Ultimate Buu wasn't the one to say that he was capable of destroying the universe he was just about to do it until Vegito realized what he was about to do, announced it, and stopped him.

Im not far on the side of anything.

The feats and abilities more than speak for themselves. Goku loses everytime, the only way someone would think otherwise is if DB is literally one of the few manga/anime or comics they have read or watched with planetary destruction or they watched/read DB as a child and therefore are nostalgic towards it or they simply don't know much about Superman or any of the plethora of comic and manga characters that easily break Goku over their knee without breaking a sweat.

A lot of dumb ones, alright explain them.

Buu had Vegito turned into a piece of candy and could have easily chewed him and finished but no he has to now gloat in the classic DB way (You know DB is famous for it's long winded speeches or gloatfests between fighters) Vegito was strong enough to whoop him (the same guy about to destroy the universe) as a piece of candy.

Frieza not Killing Nail even though Nail caused him a fair amount of trouble Nail wasn't causing any trouble to Frieza. He was whooped by Frieza in his first form.

Super Perfect Cell not finishing Gohan when he had more than enough power to do it and Gohan in his classic Gohan way was doubting himself as usual (There is no explanation that possibly justifies this, he went the gloat path and lost in classic DB fashion) Gohan was strong enough to hold his own against super perfect cell with his power level cut in half for a few moments. You left out the part where the other Z warriors were helping. So no, he didn't have more than enough power.

Yea you are and I'm not going to answer all of them. I'll answer the ones that have something to do with power level cause those were the ones I originally mentioned. You went on a off-topic tirade on other things that were mostly irrelevant and don't prove your off-topic point aside from the ones I mentioned earlier.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

No it's not as it was happening in the thread, that's why I mentioned it in the first place. I'd assume you're far on the side of superman cause of that tirade you went on about DBZ characters as if I didn't mention an inconsistency in that universe. Speaking of that, you mentioned a lot of dumb ones that are easily answered, save the piccollo/cell one and the goten/trunks ss transformation, as opposed to the many you could have mentioned.

And Ultimate Buu wasn't the one to say that he was capable of destroying the universe he was just about to do it until Vegito realized what he was about to do, announced it, and stopped him.

DanteSuikoden

Im not far on the side of anything.

The feats and abilities more than speak for themselves. Goku loses everytime, the only way someone would think otherwise is if DB is literally one of the few manga/anime or comics they have read or watched with planetary destruction or they watched/read DB as a child and therefore are nostalgic towards it or they simply don't know much about Superman or any of the plethora of comic and manga characters that easily break Goku over their knee without breaking a sweat.

A lot of dumb ones, alright explain them.

Buu had Vegito turned into a piece of candy and could have easily chewed him and finished but no he has to now gloat in the classic DB way (You know DB is famous for it's long winded speeches or gloatfests between fighters) Vegito was strong enough to whoop him (the same guy about to destroy the universe) as a piece of candy.

Frieza not Killing Nail even though Nail caused him a fair amount of trouble Nail wasn't causing any trouble to Frieza. He was whooped by Frieza in his first form.

Super Perfect Cell not finishing Gohan when he had more than enough power to do it and Gohan in his classic Gohan way was doubting himself as usual (There is no explanation that possibly justifies this, he went the gloat path and lost in classic DB fashion) Gohan was strong enough to hold his own against super perfect cell with his power level cut in half for a few moments. You left out the part where the other Z warriors were helping. So no, he didn't have more than enough power.

Yea you are and I'm not going to answer all of them. I'll answer the ones that have something to do with power level cause those were the ones I originally mentioned. You went on a off-topic tirade on other things that were mostly irrelevant and don't prove your off-topic point aside from the ones I mentioned earlier.

Because it's in Frieza's nature to be merciful to someone who deceived him and made him waste time which allowed Dende to escape with what he had been searching for?

You have got to be kidding

Tien, Yamcha, Piccolo were absolutely inconsequential in that. Their attacks on Cell were annoyances that he even repulsed with disdain while still battling Gohan. Everytime Gohan was able to pump out a bit more power Cell cranked up his output, showing that had he not gone the classic DB villain route and had gone full throttle from the start he would have overwhelmed Gohan and killed him (Even with him playing around he was already overwhelming Gohan, had it not been for Vegeta's momentary distraction and Goku coaching him for all he was worth from the other world Gohan had lost that battle).

Speaking of Gohan, the entire time he had the upper hand against Cell once again in classic DB style he starts playing around. He was one shotting those Cell Jr's he could have quite easily ended that battle and avoided that entire hooplah that happened after Cell started his attempted self destruct.

The only reason Vegito did not die as a piece of candy was Buu wasting time and gloating, he literally took over half a minute to gloat. Which gave Vegito time to somehow come to grips with being turned into candy (Another plot hole, how does someone who has been transformed into candy retain any sort of sentient ability. Power level now allows Saiyans to retain their consciousness as an inanimate object even when their entire body including brain has been transformed into a form that in no way supports sentient thought. Especially when all the other times Buu was shown turning beings into candy they retained no sentient ability whatsoever)

Also Buuhan destroying the universe till proven remains hyperbole just like Cell destroying the Solar System with a single Kamehameha.

EDIT:

Elder Kai saying Majin Buu could destroy the universe and then saying that he would come to their planet as well. Meaning that Majin Buu could not outright destroy the universe in one attack instead he had to do it planet by planet which is not universal destruction. Also granted it's Elder Kai you do remember that Supreme Kai had no idea beings of the Z fighters power level even existed in that specific quadrant so there is a very good chance that a Kai who had been trapped in a sword for an extremely long amount of time had no idea what even existed in other parts of the universe therefore his statement about Buu destroying the universe is further invalidated by his lack of knowledge about all the beings in the universe.

Destroying 1 planet at a time does not equal destroying a universe. They are 2 very different things.

Why Everyone forgot her ?

Didn't Frieza actually beat Goku ?

Frieza killed him while they fought on Namek, Goku cheated and used the dragon balls to come back to life. Being a Saiyan he came back a gazillion times stronger and beat Frieza in the end.

If the dragon balls never got involved, Frieza would have won. Goku is a dirty cheater.

/thread

Didn't Frieza actually beat Goku ?

Frieza killed him while they fought on Namek, Goku cheated and used the dragon balls to come back to life. Being a Saiyan he came back a gazillion times stronger and beat Frieza in the end.

If the dragon balls never got involved, Frieza would have won. Goku is a dirty cheater.

/thread

Sagem28

Huh?

Frieza lost on Namek, the planet blew up after the longest 5 minute interval in recorded history.

Goku was saved by some race (I forgot what they were called) and stayed to train with them.

Frieza was saved by his father and patched up.

Frieza then headed with his father King Cold to earth to seek revenge on Goku, Goku was also heading to earth at this time but would be late.

Frieza arrived on earth and was promplty dismantled by Future Trunks who came back to prevent the creation of the androids and Cell as well as giving Goku an antidote to a disease which would kill him in the future.

There is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE here.. Animated Cartoons and Comics.

In terms of animated cartoons, Goku wins? Cos he becomes a God at end of DragonBall GT.

In terms of Comics, Any God like Entity would beat Goku right? But the average fan of heroes and cartoons would not know this right?

But Goku becoming a God entity (of unknown powers) can beat God like entities in Marvel Universe too???

Didn't Frieza actually beat Goku ?

Frieza killed him while they fought on Namek, Goku cheated and used the dragon balls to come back to life. Being a Saiyan he came back a gazillion times stronger and beat Frieza in the end.

If the dragon balls never got involved, Frieza would have won. Goku is a dirty cheater.

/thread

Sagem28

Ugoo18, stop fighting for second place when you know Demonbane would top both.

Hes Goku not even Superman can beat him.

Theoretically anyone that can travel at the speed of light.dantesergei

There is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE here.. Animated Cartoons and Comics.

In terms of animated cartoons, Goku wins? Cos he becomes a God at end of DragonBall GT.

In terms of Comics, Any God like Entity would beat Goku right? But the average fan of heroes and cartoons would not know this right?

But Goku becoming a God entity (of unknown powers) can beat God like entities in Marvel Universe too???

g0ddyX

The animated series of DB is based entirely on the manga, the manga is canon whilst the animated series is not because the manga was written by Toriyama himself while the animated series was not (GT was entirely made by Toei animation. He oversaw the production but did not create the series). The animated series of any manga usually deviates from the manga due to various reasons which is why the manga of an animated series is canon and any things or events that occur in the animated series that are not in the manga (Filler) are disregarded.

Being a God means literally nothing in the DC and Marvelverse. You can and will still be beaten down by more powerful beings.

Goku was not a god by the end of GT, the only beings who would qualify as gods would be the Kai's as the overseers of the universe. Having the dragonballs placed in his body does not qualify him to be a god, the dragonballs were created by Kami/Dende who are lower in rank than the Kai's. Merging his power with Shenron's does not make him a god especially when considering Shenron's powers are limited to those of his creator.

Kai's > Kami/Dende > Shenron

In terms of actual power

Goku > Kai's> Kami/Dende > Shenron

As you can see being a god means squat, if you don't have the power to back it up you will lose to more powerful beings.

You do not need to be a God to beat Goku, that short list of some of the people that could break Goku over their knee includes few beings that are actually named as gods.

Ugoo18, stop fighting for second place when you know Demonbane would top both.

Yangire

We are not talking about the Demonbane verse, this is strictly Goku vs Superman.

Although yes Goku and the DBverse get their heads beaten in by any number of individuals from the Demonbane verse (Quite a few of the Demonbane characters easily roll Superman as well).

...

We'll see whenever Deathbattle finally updates.

It would take to long time for Goku to reach mode 4, no1 would let him reach that.

Another casual feat

ugoo18

Thats just silly, even for Superman

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

There is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE here.. Animated Cartoons and Comics.

In terms of animated cartoons, Goku wins? Cos he becomes a God at end of DragonBall GT.

In terms of Comics, Any God like Entity would beat Goku right? But the average fan of heroes and cartoons would not know this right?

But Goku becoming a God entity (of unknown powers) can beat God like entities in Marvel Universe too???

ugoo18

The animated series of DB is based entirely on the manga, the manga is canon whilst the animated series is not because the manga was written by Toriyama himself while the animated series was not (GT was entirely made by Toei animation. He oversaw the production but did not create the series). The animated series of any manga usually deviates from the manga due to various reasons which is why the manga of an animated series is canon and any things or events that occur in the animated series that are not in the manga (Filler) are disregarded.

Being a God means literally nothing in the DC and Marvelverse. You can and will still be beaten down by more powerful beings.

Goku was not a god by the end of GT, the only beings who would qualify as gods would be the Kai's as the overseers of the universe. Having the dragonballs placed in his body does not qualify him to be a god, the dragonballs were created by Kami/Dende who are lower in rank than the Kai's. Merging his power with Shenron's does not make him a god especially when considering Shenron's powers are limited to those of his creator.

Kai's > Kami/Dende > Shenron

In terms of actual power

Goku > Kai's> Kami/Dende > Shenron

As you can see being a god means squat, if you don't have the power to back it up you will lose to more powerful beings.

You do not need to be a God to beat Goku, that short list of some of the people that could break Goku over their knee includes few beings that are actually named as gods.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

There is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE here.. Animated Cartoons and Comics.

In terms of animated cartoons, Goku wins? Cos he becomes a God at end of DragonBall GT.

In terms of Comics, Any God like Entity would beat Goku right? But the average fan of heroes and cartoons would not know this right?

But Goku becoming a God entity (of unknown powers) can beat God like entities in Marvel Universe too???

g0ddyX

The animated series of DB is based entirely on the manga, the manga is canon whilst the animated series is not because the manga was written by Toriyama himself while the animated series was not (GT was entirely made by Toei animation. He oversaw the production but did not create the series). The animated series of any manga usually deviates from the manga due to various reasons which is why the manga of an animated series is canon and any things or events that occur in the animated series that are not in the manga (Filler) are disregarded.

Being a God means literally nothing in the DC and Marvelverse. You can and will still be beaten down by more powerful beings.

Goku was not a god by the end of GT, the only beings who would qualify as gods would be the Kai's as the overseers of the universe. Having the dragonballs placed in his body does not qualify him to be a god, the dragonballs were created by Kami/Dende who are lower in rank than the Kai's. Merging his power with Shenron's does not make him a god especially when considering Shenron's powers are limited to those of his creator.

Kai's > Kami/Dende > Shenron

In terms of actual power

Goku > Kai's> Kami/Dende > Shenron

As you can see being a god means squat, if you don't have the power to back it up you will lose to more powerful beings.

You do not need to be a God to beat Goku, that short list of some of the people that could break Goku over their knee includes few beings that are actually named as gods.

Think of it as a hierarchy, in Marvel there is one being who is completely and utterly unassailable in it's power and that is the One Above All.

end

NoodleFighter

Ahhh Asura vs Goku that would be a fight for the ages.

Superman, maybe.

Probably Gurren Lagann. I'm sure there's some other things... Maybe Asura from Asura's Wrath would have a chance...

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Another casual feat

Zaibach

Thats just silly, even for Superman

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

The animated series of DB is based entirely on the manga, the manga is canon whilst the animated series is not because the manga was written by Toriyama himself while the animated series was not (GT was entirely made by Toei animation. He oversaw the production but did not create the series). The animated series of any manga usually deviates from the manga due to various reasons which is why the manga of an animated series is canon and any things or events that occur in the animated series that are not in the manga (Filler) are disregarded.

Being a God means literally nothing in the DC and Marvelverse. You can and will still be beaten down by more powerful beings.

Goku was not a god by the end of GT, the only beings who would qualify as gods would be the Kai's as the overseers of the universe. Having the dragonballs placed in his body does not qualify him to be a god, the dragonballs were created by Kami/Dende who are lower in rank than the Kai's. Merging his power with Shenron's does not make him a god especially when considering Shenron's powers are limited to those of his creator.

Kai's > Kami/Dende > Shenron

In terms of actual power

Goku > Kai's> Kami/Dende > Shenron

As you can see being a god means squat, if you don't have the power to back it up you will lose to more powerful beings.

You do not need to be a God to beat Goku, that short list of some of the people that could break Goku over their knee includes few beings that are actually named as gods.

ugoo18

Think of it as a hierarchy, in Marvel there is one being who is completely and utterly unassailable in it's power and that is the One Above All.