Can Consoles do a single thing better than PC's?

Some hermits wont admit to anything . Consoles boot faster and last longer and are easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming .

dontshackzmii

My SSD i7 PC would beg to differ. It's about the same as an xbox 360 in boot time. Except that my PC is always on and goes to sleep when not in use. That means it BEATS out any console in boot time (2 seconds) 99% off the time. I can come home from work and be playing Team Fortress 2 in exactly 5 seconds flat.

I'd rather spend my time playing than looking for my DVD/waiting for a console to boot/waiting for a long loading time/waiting for updates to download (on my PC updates are done automatically in the background - I haven't had to update a game in 5 years!).

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

On what planet? Efficiency is a measure of work per watt. Are you telling me that 5 yeard old hardware beats out modern CPU's GPU's in that measurement? No way in hell. It might consume less power overall than a top of the line gaming rig, but that gaming rig is doing A LOT MORE work per watt.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

more equal footing in multiplayer (everyone is playing the game on the same hardware, so they're getting the same performance, and using the same input method). That's about all I can think of.

topgunmv

Agreed. everyone on consoles IS getting the exact same crappy perforamnce and utilizing the exact same inferior controls :)

All consoles are the size of gaming laptops, and on the planet where my 150watt console consumes less power than my 850 watt pc.

You may want to look online for a definition of power efficiency. I do not think you know what that word means.

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]Because you posted a bunch of games to counter my point?N30F3N1X

All I've seen from your post is a justification about gaming on consoles originated from insecurity. What point do you want me to "counter", precisely?

I think the pick-up-and-playability is the biggest factor for a console. If you buy a console, and buy a game, you can just put it in and play. you don't have to worry about hardware configuration, OS setup, compatability, or drivers or updates. More or less, the game is going to work as it's expected to.

Well, here's the deal. The user I was talking to said "PC has the best games". An opinion, can we agree? So, wanting to avoid the whole "But what about THIS game?" "That game sucks" "No it doesn't" "Yes it does" runaround, I simply pointed out that for having "the best games", PC sure doesn't get a lot of recognition, because all of the "best games" according to awards are on consoles. I don't see how that magically transforms into me feeling insecure about myself. But who am I kidding? If PCs had all the awards, you'd be bringing that up, too.Mrmccormo

I would bring that up too. Emphasis on the "too" word ;)

You don't see how that transforms you into feeling insecure?

How would you feel if your platform didn't get any award whatsoever? Considering it's the only "point" you brought up I'd say you'd be pretty depressed.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

Some hermits wont admit to anything . Consoles boot faster and last longer and are easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming .

Kinthalis

My SSD i7 PC would beg to differ. It's about the same as an xbox 360 in boot time. Except that my PC is always on and goes to sleep when not in use. That means it BEATS out any console in boot time (2 seconds) 99% off the time. I can come home from work and be playing Team Fortress 2 in exactly 5 seconds flat.

I'd rather spend my time playing than looking for my DVD/waiting for a console to boot/waiting for a long loading time/waiting for updates to download (on my PC updates are done automatically in the background - I haven't had to update a game in 5 years!).

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

Some hermits wont admit to anything . Consoles boot faster and last longer and are easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming .

Guppy507

My SSD i7 PC would beg to differ. It's about the same as an xbox 360 in boot time. Except that my PC is always on and goes to sleep when not in use. That means it BEATS out any console in boot time (2 seconds) 99% off the time. I can come home from work and be playing Team Fortress 2 in exactly 5 seconds flat.

I'd rather spend my time playing than looking for my DVD/waiting for a console to boot/waiting for a long loading time/waiting for updates to download (on my PC updates are done automatically in the background - I haven't had to update a game in 5 years!).

You're right, ssd are too much costly. The point still stands though. I never turn my computer off so the booting time is way faster than that of a console.

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]Well, here's the deal. The user I was talking to said "PC has the best games". An opinion, can we agree? So, wanting to avoid the whole "But what about THIS game?" "That game sucks" "No it doesn't" "Yes it does" runaround, I simply pointed out that for having "the best games", PC sure doesn't get a lot of recognition, because all of the "best games" according to awards are on consoles. I don't see how that magically transforms into me feeling insecure about myself. But who am I kidding? If PCs had all the awards, you'd be bringing that up, too.N30F3N1X

I would bring that up too. Emphasis on the "too" word ;)

You don't see how that transforms you into feeling insecure?

How would you feel if your platform didn't get any award whatsoever? Considering it's the only "point" you brought up I'd say you'd be pretty depressed.

Some hermits wont admit to anything . Consoles boot faster and last longer and are easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming .

dontshackzmii

There actually PC's out there that boot faster. Mine, when in sleep, literally takes 2-3 seconds to wake up. They also don't "last longer", but they are designed for a longer lifespan and that is the double-edged sword that is upgradeability. You give up longer lifespans for upgradeability, which devs will continuously use.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

My SSD i7 PC would beg to differ. It's about the same as an xbox 360 in boot time. Except that my PC is always on and goes to sleep when not in use. That means it BEATS out any console in boot time (2 seconds) 99% off the time. I can come home from work and be playing Team Fortress 2 in exactly 5 seconds flat.

I'd rather spend my time playing than looking for my DVD/waiting for a console to boot/waiting for a long loading time/waiting for updates to download (on my PC updates are done automatically in the background - I haven't had to update a game in 5 years!).

edidili

You're right, ssd are too much costly. The point still stands though. I never turn my computer off so the booting time is way faster than that of a console.

Yeah, the point still stands, I was just pointing out that you have to pay to get that luxury. :P

I wish I could put my computer to sleep. :( The motherboard has dumb audio (thanks for that Asus...), and the left channel cuts out completely when it wakes back up.

Right the SSD helps mostly with a cold boot, not a boot up from sleep mode, so the point still stands.

And this also brings up another point I'd like to make.

Why do console gamers see the upgradability of gmaing PC's as a negative factor? It boggle the mind.

Having the OPTION of upgrading a CPU, a GPU, a hard drive is a GOOD THING. And no, upgrades like this are not required every month, or every 6 months, or even every couple of years.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

My SSD i7 PC would beg to differ. It's about the same as an xbox 360 in boot time. Except that my PC is always on and goes to sleep when not in use. That means it BEATS out any console in boot time (2 seconds) 99% off the time. I can come home from work and be playing Team Fortress 2 in exactly 5 seconds flat.

I'd rather spend my time playing than looking for my DVD/waiting for a console to boot/waiting for a long loading time/waiting for updates to download (on my PC updates are done automatically in the background - I haven't had to update a game in 5 years!).

edidili

You're right, ssd are too much costly. The point still stands though. I never turn my computer off so the booting time is way faster than that of a console.

thats a massive waste of cash in electricity over the space of a year :S thats just savage imo what happened to the day of turning off everything.I still do it saves cash and the fact Uk still relies on a lot of non renewable energy dont help aswell.

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[QUOTE="Guppy507"] The problem with that is that you can get a 360 for the price of just an SSD of a decent size (I don't consider under 100 GB decent size btw).razgriz_101

You're right, ssd are too much costly. The point still stands though. I never turn my computer off so the booting time is way faster than that of a console.

thats a massive waste of cash in electricity over the space of a year :S thats just savage imo what happened to the day of turning off everything.I still do it saves cash and the fact Uk still relies on a lot of non renewable energy dont help aswell.

No. It isn't. My Pc is on when it needs to be used, in which case modern hardware throttles performance according to what I need, or it goes to sleep.

Modern PC's use as much power as the user needs them to use. Sleep mode costs me maybe a few extra bucks at the end of the year. And the CPU and GPU throttle down in power consumption A LOT when I'm just web surfing. The only time my system draws a lot of power is when I need it to.

Can all my friends come over and play PC with me??? I think not.

Can all my friends come over and play PC with me??? I think not.

gamespot4life

Actually, you can set up a LAN. It's a bit of work, but in regards to your question, it's a yes.

Do people want that hassle? Probably not, but that's not for us to decide.

Can all my friends come over and play PC with me??? I think not.

gamespot4life

Easier to use + platformers + exclusives.

[QUOTE="iano-87"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

PC - everything a console can do

console - a limited PC

How is this a debate again?

haberman13

Haha, you just said "console = a limited pc" By your logic, a pc is a glorified console.

A console is a console, a pc is a pc.

Your lack of faith is disturbing.

Yes, a PC is absolutely a "glorified" console (read: newer hardware).

What do you think a console is? Its a CPU/RAM/HD/Video Card, from 2004, running a stripped down version of Windows kernel code.

console = gimped PC

PC = amped up console

I beg of anyone to challenge me on that!

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[QUOTE="edidili"]

You're right, ssd are too much costly. The point still stands though. I never turn my computer off so the booting time is way faster than that of a console.

Kinthalis

thats a massive waste of cash in electricity over the space of a year :S thats just savage imo what happened to the day of turning off everything.I still do it saves cash and the fact Uk still relies on a lot of non renewable energy dont help aswell.

No. It isn't. My Pc is on when it needs to be used, in which case modern hardware throttles performance according to what I need, or it goes to sleep.

Modern PC's use as much power as the user needs them to use. Sleep mode costs me maybe a few extra bucks at the end of the year. And the CPU and GPU throttle down in power consumption A LOT when I'm just web surfing. The only time my system draws a lot of power is when I need it to.

To me that is a complete waste of power :S regardless of how much its not using.Im parnicity bout things like that, heck my PS3 is never on standby even when its not in use its completely off.

Split-screen... and.... um. Yeah, split-screen.

[QUOTE="gamespot4life"]

Can all my friends come over and play PC with me??? I think not.

lundy86_4

Actually, you can set up a LAN. It's a bit of work, but in regards to your question, it's a yes.

Do people want that hassle? Probably not, but that's not for us to decide.

yea Of course and I already knew that, but are people going to go through all that trouble??? I highly doubt it. consoles destroy pc in that area

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Agreed. everyone on consoles IS getting the exact same crappy perforamnce and utilizing the exact same inferior controls :)

Kinthalis

All consoles are the size of gaming laptops, and on the planet where my 150watt console consumes less power than my 850 watt pc.

You may want to look online for a definition of power efficiency. I do not think you know what that word means.

Sometimes a person may ask "Can I go to the restroom" instead of "May I go to the restroom." For the majority, it's still obvious what the meaning of the first sentence is.

yea Of course and I already knew that, but are people going to go through all that trouble??? I highly doubt it. consoles destroy pc in that area

gamespot4life

I don't know if people will go through that hassle. That's why I said "Do people want that hassle? Probably not, but that's not for us to decide."

No doubt it is much easier for consoles (depending on the games you'll be playing and whether they offer all features for split-screen), but it is a viable option for people who PC game. If the games don't offer things like online multiplayer and splitscreen, then a system link is the other option, which is very similar in terms of it's execution.

Can all my friends come over and play PC with me??? I think not.

gamespot4life

LOL! you only have 1 friend in the whole world?

Sad for you.

You know very well that if you're going to do any sort of serious locla multi-player where you know, you're not squinting at a 5x5 pixel square wondering if that dark pixel over by the corner is an enemy you're going to have to bring other consoles with you.

Same thing with PC. Your friends bring over their laptops, or their slimline LAN ready PC's. It's the same exact situation with consoles. And at least with PC's there is the OPTION of a gaming laptop, where you don't need to have a separate display. AND then there's the ease of networking PC's together. Modern PC's are a snap to setup on a network. Consoles? not so much.

Setting up 4 360 and Lanning up Halo is so much more enjoyable and easy then doing it on a PC.Sp4rtan_3

If people are using gaming laptops, then it's probably just as easy.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Setting up 4 360 and Lanning up Halo is so much more enjoyable and easy then doing it on a PC.lundy86_4

If people are using gaming laptops, then it's probably just as easy.

EASIER! I don't know where the heck Sp4rtan_3 is getting his info from, but setting up a LAN with PC's is 10 times easier than with consoles. PC's are MADE for networking.

Plus laptops do not require outside monitors/TV's, where as consoles do.

thats a silly question, the pc is an amazing platform but it is not the end all be all of gaming experiences, consoles are more accessible, easier to use and some other stuff, that i cant think of off the top of my head, the pc does of course have its advantages though

EASIER! I don't know where the heck Sp4rtan_3 is getting his info from, but setting up a LAN with PC's is 10 times easier than with consoles. PC's are MADE for networking.

Plus laptops do not require outside monitors/TV's, where as consoles do.

Kinthalis

To be fair, i've never done it myself :P Though you make a point about not needing TV's which both consoles and gaming desktop's would need.

I don't think PC's are the end all be all of gaming. That's silly. I also own a Wii because the experience it offers is somehting I'm occasionally interested in.

But dismissing PC gaming out of hand like some consoleites are doing in thread is equally as silly. The Pc as a gaming platform has a LOT to offer over consoles.

Personally I think that as gamers, not as Pc gamers or console gamers, or handheld gamers or as hardcore gamers, ro as casual gamers, BUT as GAMERS. we do ourselves a disservice when we focus on a single platform.

I really think that anyone who considers himself a gamer should own at least 2 possibly three depending on their budget. A PC, either a PS3/Xbox 360/Wii or even a PS2, and a handheld like a DS or even an iPad.

It's then that you are truly getting the whole of what gaming has to offer.

- PC gamer who owns a Wii, an ipad and a DS, and has owned a PS2, All the nintendo consoles, a PS3 and Xbox 360 at some point or another.

My PS3 and 360 are pretty damn good at playing PS3 and 360 games. Haven't tried sticking them into my PC yet, but I'd imagine it won't go so well.

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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Setting up 4 360 and Lanning up Halo is so much more enjoyable and easy then doing it on a PC.Kinthalis

If people are using gaming laptops, then it's probably just as easy.

EASIER! I don't know where the heck Sp4rtan_3 is getting his info from, but setting up a LAN with PC's is 10 times easier than with consoles. PC's are MADE for networking.

Plus laptops do not require outside monitors/TV's, where as consoles do.

Well, its plays my exlusives.

I can expect friends to have a similar pc to me, so having 4 controllers is cheaper, more convinient, and fun.

PC is a power hog, a real power hog.

I dont like fiddling with pc, there is a reason why i almost never upgrade, because its boring and a hassle.

There can be alot of problems, bought bf2 on steam, had to google around for an hour to find the problem and solve it.

Its cheaper with consoles where i live.

Halo, halo, halo.

I travel alot, usually by bike, and having a giant pc with a screen on it is not safe, let alone convinient, my 360 fits in my backpack.

COME AT ME BRO

Split-screen... and.... um. Yeah, split-screen.

psn8214

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

If people are using gaming laptops, then it's probably just as easy.

Sp4rtan_3

EASIER! I don't know where the heck Sp4rtan_3 is getting his info from, but setting up a LAN with PC's is 10 times easier than with consoles. PC's are MADE for networking.

Plus laptops do not require outside monitors/TV's, where as consoles do.

LOL! Yeah sure! you do know I've owned all curreng gen consoles. It's not like you cna make stuff up and I'll buy it.

Networking 16 laptops together takes 2 clicks (for N wireless gaming) or hooking up a CAt5e cable to them for wired gaming. Maybe typing in a password if the network needs to be secured for some reason (wireless only).

Setting up a network connection on the consoles requires navigation of numerous menus with a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. And good luck tryign to trouble shoot anything.

Why was my message deleted lol? I only said games age much better than on consoles. Mass Effect for example. On the 360 it really is a horrible game compared to the PC version. Super bad framerate, huge loading times, screentearing. On PC it is an amazing experience and I can tell it looks same as ME2 when maxed out, solely for this reason alone I decided to sell my 360 because it wasn't offering anything above the PC.

When you start up a multiplat title on PC magic starts to happen, and even if it looks and plays **** you can force it by sheer brute power to make it good looking. Black Ops, Oblivion, Fallout are all prime examples of this, they look georgous and on top of that you can puts some mods wich make it even better and extend replay value.

in 10 years nobody will remember the Original Mass effect anymore, but on PC you'll see it for sale on Steam Classics for maybe a bucks and will have a chance to play it again on the same machine wich than runs current gen games. That's just epic.

PC can truly do anything and keeps games alive for decades by giving new age gamers a chance to look back.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

EASIER! I don't know where the heck Sp4rtan_3 is getting his info from, but setting up a LAN with PC's is 10 times easier than with consoles. PC's are MADE for networking.

Plus laptops do not require outside monitors/TV's, where as consoles do.

Kinthalis

LOL! Yeah sure! you do know I've owned all curreng gen consoles. It's not like you cna make stuff up and I'll buy it.

Networking 16 laptops together takes 2 clicks (for N wireless gaming) or hooking up a CAt5e cable to them for wired gaming. Maybe typing in a password if the network needs to be secured for some reason (wireless only).

Setting up a network connection on the consoles requires navigation of numerous menus with a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. And good luck tryign to trouble shoot anything.

My PS3 and 360 are pretty damn good at playing PS3 and 360 games. Haven't tried sticking them into my PC yet, but I'd imagine it won't go so well.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Actually no its easier setting up 4 tv's and 16 controllers then it is setting up 16 laptops or PC's. But hey if you find it easier then thats you.Sp4rtan_3

LOL! Yeah sure! you do know I've owned all curreng gen consoles. It's not like you cna make stuff up and I'll buy it.

Networking 16 laptops together takes 2 clicks (for N wireless gaming) or hooking up a CAt5e cable to them for wired gaming. Maybe typing in a password if the network needs to be secured for some reason (wireless only).

Setting up a network connection on the consoles requires navigation of numerous menus with a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. And good luck tryign to trouble shoot anything.

Why would you hook up 4 xboxes together and call that a lan? Most lans i know and have been to have over 100 participants, all connected on one single network. Try to do that and come back again because you have no idea what a real LAN is lol. But hey, kids gotta learn somewhere so have fun with your 4 tv's and xboxes :D

And what game u want to lan with 4 people? Halo? lol. Must be boring as hell, even when ur drunk.

in 10 years nobody will remember the Original Mass effect anymore, but on PC you'll see it for sale on Steam Classics for maybe a bucks and will have a chance to play it again on the same machine wich than runs current gen games. That's just epic.

Fusiondonut

That is the strongest part of pc. Forget about graphics and all that. If you go on steam the most played game for today is counter strike, a 1999 game. Pc have an enormous library of games.

Die faster?

Would that count?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Actually no its easier setting up 4 tv's and 16 controllers then it is setting up 16 laptops or PC's. But hey if you find it easier then thats you.Sp4rtan_3

LOL! Yeah sure! you do know I've owned all curreng gen consoles. It's not like you cna make stuff up and I'll buy it.

Networking 16 laptops together takes 2 clicks (for N wireless gaming) or hooking up a CAt5e cable to them for wired gaming. Maybe typing in a password if the network needs to be secured for some reason (wireless only).

Setting up a network connection on the consoles requires navigation of numerous menus with a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. And good luck tryign to trouble shoot anything.

I'm not the one making baseless assertions like: Console LAN setup is easier!

I'm just pointing out the numerous errors in your stements, is all.

Also, you appear to be completely ignorant on the Pc gmaing scene aren't you? There are a LOT more PC gmaing LANS than there are console ones. Have fun with your 4 xboxes. LAst LAN I was at, there were about a hundred PC's and a lot of fun!

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"]

in 10 years nobody will remember the Original Mass effect anymore, but on PC you'll see it for sale on Steam Classics for maybe a bucks and will have a chance to play it again on the same machine wich than runs current gen games. That's just epic.

edidili

That is the strongest part of pc. Forget about graphics and all that. If you go on steam the most played game for today is counter strike, a 1999 game. Pc have an enormous library of games.

They even released a Sega Megadrive pack with a **** ton of games. You can literally timetravel with a PC.

Some hermits wont admit to anything . Consoles boot faster and last longer and are easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming .

dontshackzmii

"last longer"? You obviously haven't heard of Xbox 360's red ring of death. My old PC that used to have on the other hand lasted for 8 years and still runs till this day.

"easyer to use that is and always will be the advatage of console gaming" How hard is to click "download" and hit the "play" button on Steam?

Besides Exclusive games, which is the only good reason to own a console of course, people buy the software and not the hardware (Bill Gates found this out first)

is there anything they can do better? at all?

HaloinventedFPS

MGS4

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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="iano-87"]

Haha, you just said "console = a limited pc" By your logic, a pc is a glorified console.

A console is a console, a pc is a pc.

lowe0

Your lack of faith is disturbing.

Yes, a PC is absolutely a "glorified" console (read: newer hardware).

What do you think a console is? Its a CPU/RAM/HD/Video Card, from 2004, running a stripped down version of Windows kernel code.

console = gimped PC

PC = amped up console

I beg of anyone to challenge me on that!

My iphone is basically running linux, I SSH into it all the time and do normal linux-y stuff. YES, a smartphone is a gimped PC, just like a console.

Now, you make a good point about a purpose built machine, but that line has been blurred dramatically over the last decade to the point I would say that what we are dealing with now is a sliding scale of PC-esque capabilities. For example a 360 has an internet browser.

Consoles are gimped PCs, they have the same basic components, run an OS; and fail compared to a PC at gaming (not designed to play games specifically either)