Can Killzone Take The Best Exclusive FPS Franchise Crown From Halo?

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#1 jakarai
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Ok Killzone is getting some good press. Some would even say the best press any game has gotten this generation. Now if Killzone 2 does get AAA scores across the board will it be the genre defining FPS for this generation we have all been waiting for? Will Killzone 2 be the FPS that all developers and their children try to mimic for years to come. Killzone has the graphics that no game this generation even comes close to duplicating.(on consoles) Killzones multiplayer is just unrivaled it has some crazy clan support set up that no other developer this generation has even come close to implementing. Killzone also has the best animations of any game to date it's just crazy how you shoot someone and their limbs move in that certain areas. So can Killzone 2 dethrone the al mighty Halo?
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#2 11Marcel
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Short answer: no.

Long answer: no, no no no no no no no no no no no and again, no.

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#3 Animal-Mother
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Halo's a solid franchise, it's a shame it's so overrated though. But I hope KZ2 shows the haters, it deserves to ride the high horse now.
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#4 deathtoallgods
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here we go again.
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#5 Puckhog04
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Crysis already did that. ;)
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#6 NinjaMunkey01
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Crysis already did that. ;)Puckhog04
So did COD4, and gears, and gears 2...
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#7 Floppy_Jim
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Does it have to? It has a chance of matching Halo but not dethroning, it unless it gets AAAAE everywhere and sells 15 million.

Edit- Do you make threads like this just for the fun of it? First all of your "Year of the PS3" threads and now this "Halo-killer" thing. You must know how people are going to respond, they've heard it all before.

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#8 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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I'm sure if KZ2 is successful, and consensus is that it will be, I can see it becoming a successful series. But for it to have a Halo-like track record, the first one will have had to be wiped from everybody's memory.
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#9 Blackbond
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You're taking the hype level of this game beyond AAAA levels man.
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#10 Puckhog04
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Crysis already did that. ;)NinjaMunkey01
So did COD4, and gears, and gears 2...

Gears isn't exclusive and is a TPS, not a FPS. Gears 2 is a TPS, not a FPS. CoD4 is multiplat. He said "exclusive" FPS franchise. I know what you mean though, those are all better. Unfortunately not exclusive though. Crysis is a PC exclusive and is by far better on every level.

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#11 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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I've heard this before somewhere ...
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#12 Toriko42
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Co game can kill Halo in terms of console FPS
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#13 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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You're taking the hype level of this game beyond AAAA levels man.Blackbond
IF this gets AA you'll still get people saying it was never hyped more than AA :roll:
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#14 DarkGamer007
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I say no for a few reasons, one of which being Killzone 2 doesn't feature all the features that Halo 3 has (Splitscreen, Co-Op, online Co-Op, Pictures, Theater Mode, Online Stats.) and the fact that most of the games that get dubbed "Halo Killers" end up falling flat on their face and flopping.
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#15 KingTuttle
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]You're taking the hype level of this game beyond AAAA levels man.blue_hazy_basic
IF this gets AA you'll still get people saying it was never hyped more than AA :roll:

Regardless Renegade is hyping this AAAAAAE
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#16 Zero5000X
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Crysis already did that. ;)Puckhog04
lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]You're taking the hype level of this game beyond AAAA levels man.blue_hazy_basic
IF this gets AA you'll still get people saying it was never hyped more than AA :roll:

At this point, there's way too many links we can bring up to prove that it was.

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#18 Nocturnal_Speed
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Never...too much hype on the Halo series and not enough peeps on the PlayStation 3 to justify trumph unlike the Xbox 360 fan base.

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#19 inertk
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BF2 is still King. Let's not get it twisted. Killzone 2 being better than Halo 3? I can imagine that.
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#20 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]You're taking the hype level of this game beyond AAAA levels man.blue_hazy_basic
IF this gets AA you'll still get people saying it was never hyped more than AA :roll:

At the level people are hyping if this game doesn't score 9.0 this game is going to be a huge disappointment.

My expectations aren't as high. I expect at least an 8.0.

Regardless of which I'm going to play this game though.

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#21 Gamersince81
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Yes easily with me. Halo 3 was poo. I sold it, played multiplayer twice, beat the game and thats it. Im sick on green armoured faceless men fighting rainbow colored alians.. its corny and im through with Halo seriously. KZ2 is more Gears of War with Cod4 mixed in with SUPERPOWAHED graphics. You tell me that dont beat Halo?????
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#22 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Crysis already did that. ;)Zero5000X
lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

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When pigs er I mean Cows fly. :P
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#24 KingTuttle
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BF2 is still King. Let's not get it twisted. Killzone 2 being better than Halo 3? I can imagine that.inertk
Good point...for MP only though. I pray they don't just keep making Bad Company sequels and abandon a true BF2 sequel.
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#25 Blackbond
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Yes easily with me. Halo 3 was poo. I sold it, played multiplayer twice, beat the game and thats it. Im sick on green armoured faceless men fighting rainbow colored alians.. its corny and im through with Halo seriously. KZ2 is more Gears of War with Cod4 mixed in with SUPERPOWAHED graphics. You tell me that dont beat Halo?????Gamersince81

We won't know until it comes out. Do you like Gears of War?

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#26 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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No :lol:
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#27 Zero5000X
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Crysis already did that. ;)Blackbond

lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

It's certainly not better than Halo 3. Much more people prefer Halo 3 to Crysis.
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if gameplays solid yes
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#29 damedash122
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MY GOD another thread!!!!!! NO it will NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO ! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! it looks amazing and i will buy it but Halo is Halo! this thread fails!

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#30 Gamersince81
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Crysis already did that. ;)Blackbond

lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

Crysis is a good game imo. I havent beaten it but what i played its good and challenging (first time i ever played with keyboard and mouse after 25 years). With that said. Playing on all high settings i think KZ2 honestly is more pleasing on eyes graphically. For a sandbox game graphically nothing touches Crysis imo.

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Yes easily with me. Halo 3 was poo. I sold it, played multiplayer twice, beat the game and thats it. Im sick on green armoured faceless men fighting rainbow colored alians.. its corny and im through with Halo seriously. KZ2 is more Gears of War with Cod4 mixed in with SUPERPOWAHED graphics. You tell me that dont beat Halo?????Gamersince81
no it doesn't. they are completely different games
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#32 Zero5000X
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"] lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.Gamersince81

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

Crysis is a good game imo. I havent beaten it but what i played its good and challenging (first time i ever played with keyboard and mouse after 25 years). With that said. Playing on all high settings i think KZ2 honestly is more pleasing on eyes graphically. For a sandbox game graphically nothing touches Crysis imo.

I just would like to see what kind of scores Crysis would have got if it had average visuals. It's graphics are it's gimmick.
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#33 Puckhog04
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Crysis already did that. ;)Zero5000X
lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.

Just shows you haven't played the game. Your loss.

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#34 Gamersince81
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[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]Yes easily with me. Halo 3 was poo. I sold it, played multiplayer twice, beat the game and thats it. Im sick on green armoured faceless men fighting rainbow colored alians.. its corny and im through with Halo seriously. KZ2 is more Gears of War with Cod4 mixed in with SUPERPOWAHED graphics. You tell me that dont beat Halo?????Blackbond

We won't know until it comes out. Do you like Gears of War?

Love Gears.. Its sooo "bromanish" lol.

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#35 DarkGamer007
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[QUOTE="inertk"]BF2 is still King. Let's not get it twisted. Killzone 2 being better than Halo 3? I can imagine that.KingTuttle
Good point...for MP only though. I pray they don't just keep making Bad Company sequels and abandon a true BF2 sequel.

Not to get off topic but Bad Company was great and by time DICE rolls around Battlefield 3 on the PC, the Frostbite Engine will be by far better than it was in Bad Company and BF3 will be absolutely amazing because they experimented with Bad Company, used what they learned and applied it to BF3.
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#36 Puckhog04
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"] lol visually yea. other than good graphics Crysis is crap.Zero5000X

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

It's certainly not better than Halo 3. Much more people prefer Halo 3 to Crysis.

According to sales, much more people prefer the Wii over PS3/360, does that make it better? Crysis Warhead is better than Halo 3 in every single way. That's my opinion anyway. Considering Crysis has sold around 3 million copies I'd say that's very good considering it's somewhat "steep" requirements. Most people who have played both i think would agree with me on the quality of the two. And I don't think you have played Crysis.

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Halo, while a good game, was overrated. Thats obvious. But, it was just a cultural phenomenon for a period of time. It took on a life of its own with all of the hype and good advertising. Its not something that people can predict or make happen just because of a excellent product-even if it is superior to Halo.

So I doubt it. Who knows, maybe the timing is just right for a new FPS phenomenon.

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#38 jakarai
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I say no for a few reasons, one of which being Killzone 2 doesn't feature all the features that Halo 3 has (Splitscreen, Co-Op, online Co-Op, Pictures, Theater Mode, Online Stats.) and the fact that most of the games that get dubbed "Halo Killers" end up falling flat on their face and flopping.DarkGamer007
Killzone 2 has new features that Halo doesn't though. Here is a little preview. Taken from a guy over at n4g. [QUOTE="ZmokeR"] Clan support. //(yes, tho killzone go deeper and makes the clan bet ageins eatchother with "points" Clan match camera.// I dont know if any other game have it,(correct me if wrong) tho in kz2 you can watch your clans match. (Loose source) Clan ladder:// same here, dont realy know if any other game have it ( correct me if wrong) tho in kz2 there is a ladder system, that worked very well already in the beta. Clan Leages // Here i know that no other game have it, kz2 will have a Leage for upp to 18 teames ( i think ) that take place.

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[QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

Zero5000X

Crysis is a good game imo. I havent beaten it but what i played its good and challenging (first time i ever played with keyboard and mouse after 25 years). With that said. Playing on all high settings i think KZ2 honestly is more pleasing on eyes graphically. For a sandbox game graphically nothing touches Crysis imo.

I just would like to see what kind of scores Crysis would have got if it had average visuals. It's graphics are it's gimmick.

Once again you're just showing you haven't played the game. The graphics are an integral part of the game. The Physics especially are a huge part of the game. I guess Killzone 2's graphics are a gimmick as well? How about MGS4's graphics? Gears 2? Just because a game has good graphics doesn't mean it's a gimmick. The gameplay in Crysis is incredible. The way the Nanosuit powers and such are used in game as well as the sheer amount of things to be done in the sandbox style world. You are only showing that you haven't played Crysis.

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#40 Rob_101
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Can Killzone Take The Best Exclusive FPS Franchise Crown From Half-Life?

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Answer: NO

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#41 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes a AAA series is crap right becausee you say so right? Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean its crap.

Zero5000X

Crysis is a good game imo. I havent beaten it but what i played its good and challenging (first time i ever played with keyboard and mouse after 25 years). With that said. Playing on all high settings i think KZ2 honestly is more pleasing on eyes graphically. For a sandbox game graphically nothing touches Crysis imo.

I just would like to see what kind of scores Crysis would have got if it had average visuals. It's graphics are it's gimmick.

Yes and graphics aren't part of every games gimmick? Unfortunately for you Crysis's graphics, draw distance, open world, physics, ect go to the gameplay not just a pretty design.

Saying a game scored well based on graphics is incorrect. Games are based on gameplay first my man. We play games not watch them.

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#42 KingTuttle
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"][QUOTE="Gamersince81"]

Crysis is a good game imo. I havent beaten it but what i played its good and challenging (first time i ever played with keyboard and mouse after 25 years). With that said. Playing on all high settings i think KZ2 honestly is more pleasing on eyes graphically. For a sandbox game graphically nothing touches Crysis imo.

Blackbond

I just would like to see what kind of scores Crysis would have got if it had average visuals. It's graphics are it's gimmick.

Yes and graphics aren't part of every games gimmick? Unfortunately for you Crysis's graphics, draw distance, open world, physics, ect go to the gameplay not just a pretty design.

Saying a game scored well based on graphics is incorrect. Games are based on gameplay first my man. We play games not watch them.

What about MGS4 fans? badum bump. ;)
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#43 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"] I just would like to see what kind of scores Crysis would have got if it had average visuals. It's graphics are it's gimmick.KingTuttle

Yes and graphics aren't part of every games gimmick? Unfortunately for you Crysis's graphics, draw distance, open world, physics, ect go to the gameplay not just a pretty design.

Saying a game scored well based on graphics is incorrect. Games are based on gameplay first my man. We play games not watch them.

What about MGS4 fans? badum bump. ;)

What about MGS4 fans?

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What's up with the marketing for this game? Where's the hype? Haven't they learned anything from MS on how to handle a title like this?The only way you are going to out Halo is to market the hell out of this game like there is no tomorrow. Where's the viral teasers? The movie trailers? The awesome TV spots?
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#45 KingTuttle
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="KingTuttle"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes and graphics aren't part of every games gimmick? Unfortunately for you Crysis's graphics, draw distance, open world, physics, ect go to the gameplay not just a pretty design.

Saying a game scored well based on graphics is incorrect. Games are based on gameplay first my man. We play games not watch them.

What about MGS4 fans? badum bump. ;)

What about MGS4 fans?

I was kidding around with the "We play games not watch them"
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What's up with the marketing for this game? Where's the hype? Haven't they learned anything from MS on how to handle a title like this?The only way you are going to out Halo is to market the hell out of this game like there is no tomorrow. Where's the viral teasers? The movie trailers? The awesome TV spots?heretrix
Does Sony even have the money for all of that :|
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]I say no for a few reasons, one of which being Killzone 2 doesn't feature all the features that Halo 3 has (Splitscreen, Co-Op, online Co-Op, Pictures, Theater Mode, Online Stats.) and the fact that most of the games that get dubbed "Halo Killers" end up falling flat on their face and flopping.jakarai
Killzone 2 has new features that Halo doesn't though. Here is a little preview. Taken from a guy over at n4g. [QUOTE="ZmokeR"] Clan support. //(yes, tho killzone go deeper and makes the clan bet ageins eatchother with "points" Clan match camera.// I dont know if any other game have it,(correct me if wrong) tho in kz2 you can watch your clans match. (Loose source) Clan ladder:// same here, dont realy know if any other game have it ( correct me if wrong) tho in kz2 there is a ladder system, that worked very well already in the beta. Clan Leages // Here i know that no other game have it, kz2 will have a Leage for upp to 18 teames ( i think ) that take place.

Thats it ? Clans ? :lol:
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#48 Cedmln
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The Halo franchise is a game riddled with popularity pride from North Americans. Thats how it started. Then everyone else go in on it.
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#49 standarddamage
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Halo, while a good game, was overrated. Thats obvious. But, it was just a cultural phenomenon for a period of time. It took on a life of its own with all of the hype and good advertising. Its not something that people can predict or make happen just because of a excellent product-even if it is superior to Halo.

So I doubt it. Who knows, maybe the timing is just right for a new FPS phenomenon.

Mr_Ditters

I pretty much agree with this.

Can you make a technically better FPS, including online? Yes you can. It's already been done with CoD, amoung others. But if you're asking if it can be an absolute cultural phenomenon like Halo is? That's a pretty high benchmark for any game to accomplish. Halo is like crack for a lot of gamers. If you still have hundreds of thousands of gamers still playing it over a year after its release, then we'll know there's some competiton.

I'm pretty excited for Killzone 2, but my guess is that it'll have a lot of difficulty stealing Halo's thunder.

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#50 Innovazero2000
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Halo is the face of console FPS, it won't be dethroned.

3 AAA titles

20-30 million sold in the series?

Consistantly the top online game played on consoles

High profile marketing machine, and the proof is in the marketing deals in the past. Like it or not, Master Chief is a gaming icon for both the turn of the century and microsoft itself.

Killzone has nothing on Halo, to be fair there is promise for KZ2, but it has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGG way to go.