can the wii stop GTA 4, Mass effect, Bioshock, Blue dragon, and Halo3

[QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]GTA4 will CREAM the Wii, FACT!yoshi_64

the wii will sell more - simply due to casual appeal

but in terms of quality, the 360 will be getting FAR better games this year

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl(repetitive and simplistic), Super Mario Galaxy (I haven't played a platformer since I was 12. *yawn*), Metroid Prime 3 (Hopefully for Ninty it's AAA), Big Brain Academy (Not a game. It's work in disguise.), and Dragon Quest Swords (The one game on your list I actually want.)may find a way.

rhaigun

You=/=World

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl(repetitive and simplistic), Super Mario Galaxy (I haven't played a platformer since I was 12. *yawn*), Metroid Prime 3 (Hopefully for Ninty it's AAA), Big Brain Academy (Not a game. It's work in disguise.), and Dragon Quest Swords (The one game on your list I actually want.)may find a way.

rhaigun

The fact that you called Super Smash Bros. simplistic is reason enough for me to ignore your post as I know it's misinformed.

For your sake, you'd better hope a true Smash player doesn't read this, or he/she'll flame you to hell.

Most Cube owners on this board spent the whole gen masteringMelee. Wavedashing, fast falling, l-cancelling, etc.

It's quite the opposite of how you described it to the majority of Cube owners.

And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.rhaigun

Small Arm's cast lacks any depth, history, and are uninspired above all else. Also the gameplay is trying to mimic the style of SSB, but it's nowhere near that.The gunplay is boring, as ammo becomes depleted within seconds of a match, and the game becomes nothing more but a hunt for a new weapon or ammo. Also, not to mention it has some finicky controls, really uninspiring character designs, and just overall cannot mimic what SSB does for many obvious reasons.

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl(repetitive and simplistic), Super Mario Galaxy (I haven't played a platformer since I was 12. *yawn*), Metroid Prime 3 (Hopefully for Ninty it's AAA), Big Brain Academy (Not a game. It's work in disguise.), and Dragon Quest Swords (The one game on your list I actually want.)may find a way.

mikl1018

You=/=World

yoshi_64 if i said can the wii stop uncharted, Heavenly sword, Killzone 2,R&C, Folkore, andNGS

all the sleeps would laugh

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]GTA4 will CREAM the Wii, FACT!rhaigun

Embarassing how? What's wrong with buying a great game? It's got about an 85% at GR. Care to explain?

The matter of how the games are was not of topic though, it was merely the sales generated from the game, which are already high and will be no doubt the most top selling games of this year. Please take the fanboyism elsewhere.

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.yoshi_64

yoshi_64 if i said can the wii stop uncharted, Heavenly sword, Killzone 2,R&C, Folkore, andNGS

all the sleeps would laugh

Tnasty11

R&C were great games, but alas weren't system sellers like Halo or GTA are. Killzone bombed last I remebered. HS is a new IP, but unlike Uncharted which has a good dev on their backs and they've had games sell before. Crash and Jak come to mind.

As for what the sheep say, what relevance does that have to do with this? Nothing.

[QUOTE="mikl1018"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl(repetitive and simplistic), Super Mario Galaxy (I haven't played a platformer since I was 12. *yawn*), Metroid Prime 3 (Hopefully for Ninty it's AAA), Big Brain Academy (Not a game. It's work in disguise.), and Dragon Quest Swords (The one game on your list I actually want.)may find a way.

rhaigun

You=/=World

It's very unlikely

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.rhaigun

But there's more to it then that if you want there to be. If you played someone who was serious about the game, button mashing would not get you the victory. It's a great mix of nostalgia and depth, IMO.

You should really see some tournament vids on youtube if you think it's just "not that great"

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]GTA4 will CREAM the Wii, FACT!yoshi_64

Embarassing how? What's wrong with buying a great game? It's got about an 85% at GR. Care to explain?

The matter of how the games are was not of topic though, it was merely the sales generated from the game, which are already high and will be no doubt the most top selling games of this year. Please take the fanboyism elsewhere.

It probably can't stop those games, but those games can't stop the Wii either.

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.Ganon_919

But there's more to it then that if you want there to be. If you played someone who was serious about the game, button mashing would not get you the victory. It's a great mix of nostalgia and depth, IMO.

You should really see some tournament vids on youtube if you think it's just "not that great"

yoshi_64 you did exactly what everyone else would have done and face the wii can't complete with GTA 4, Mass effect, Bioshock, Blue dragon, and Halo3 Tnasty11

The only game in that list that the Wii probably won't have a game sell more than is GTA 4, and that's multiplat.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.rhaigun

1. Who needs a story to fight? Fighting games were not made for well made storylines, just some "incentive" to fight, but frankly it doesn't matter.
2. The level desigs are very diverse in SSB games, I have nothing to say except levels are varied by terrain, hazards, fixation (moving levels or steady levels) and so on.
3. I have nothing to say about the characters, anyone who doesn't know Mario, Pikachu, Link, Bowser, Peach, etc, etc would be someone who's never heard of Nintendo or games in their life. Only minor new characters like Marth or Roy would be shockers, because they've never been in games over seas.
4. Perception

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.rhaigun

But there's more to it then that if you want there to be. If you played someone who was serious about the game, button mashing would not get you the victory. It's a great mix of nostalgia and depth, IMO.

You should really see some tournament vids on youtube if you think it's just "not that great"

Just proving it isn't simplistic or repetitive is all, or did you decide to change your arguement :roll:

yoshi_64 you did exactly what everyone else would have done and faceit wii can't complete with GTA 4, Mass effect, Bioshock, Blue dragon, and Halo3 Tnasty11

If it's about sales wise, I already pointed out everything in the other posts, I'm not gonna repeat, but you're beginning to play like a broken record again.

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.yoshi_64

1. Who needs a story to fight? Fighting games were not made for well made storylines, just some "incentive" to fight, but frankly it doesn't matter.
2. The level desigs are very diverse in SSB games, I have nothing to say except levels are varied by terrain, hazards, fixation (moving levels or steady levels) and so on.
3. I have nothing to say about the characters, anyone who doesn't know Mario, Pikachu, Link, Bowser, Peach, etc, etc would be someone who's never heard of Nintendo or games in their life. Only minor new characters like Marth or Roy would be shockers, because they've never been in games over seas.
4. Perception

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.Ganon_919

But there's more to it then that if you want there to be. If you played someone who was serious about the game, button mashing would not get you the victory. It's a great mix of nostalgia and depth, IMO.

You should really see some tournament vids on youtube if you think it's just "not that great"

Just proving it isn't simplistic or repetitive is all, or did you decide to change your arguement :roll:

The only guys in this thread defending this game are Yoshi and Gannon. Gee, I wonder where their alligience lies?rhaigun

I defend it because you made a lame attempt at dismissing the games I listed as competition for GTA 4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Halo 3.

Well, IMO, it sucks.rhaigun

Thanks for sharing

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]The only guys in this thread defending this game are Yoshi and Gannon. Gee, I wonder where their alligience lies?Ganon_919

I defend it because you made a lame attempt at dismissing the games I listed as competition for GTA 4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Halo 3.

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]Why cant lemmings accept that Blue Dragon is going to flop? It got good reviews in Japan but its sales bombed harder then any game in recent history, especially in a region that loves JRPG's and is the genres home country. It will get good reviews here probably but it still wont sell as well as Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean or pretty much any other JRPG series does in North America.rhaigun

Because those games were made by proven JRPG developers, not to mention they are well made games with fantastic art direct (aside from Dragon Quest 8 which looks cartoony, just like BD), if JRPG's dont sell well in Japan, it doesnt mean the games are necessarily bad, it just means that they arent good enough for the audience that the games are supposed to target. BD could be fun, but the game looks bland in terms of art, basically a more improved version of Dragon Quest 8 just not as bright and vibrant colour wise.

The Wii is stomping the 360. I would guess nothing can stop the Wii, as it will soon take the lead by all estimates. It appeals more to everyday people, whereas the 360/PS3 simply don't. mismajor99

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]The only guys in this thread defending this game are Yoshi and Gannon. Gee, I wonder where their alligience lies?rhaigun

I defend it because you made a lame attempt at dismissing the games I listed as competition for GTA 4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Halo 3.

Brawl will outsell Halo 3 and GTA IV (on ONE console).

Quote me on it if you must...

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]Why cant lemmings accept that Blue Dragon is going to flop? It got good reviews in Japan but its sales bombed harder then any game in recent history, especially in a region that loves JRPG's and is the genres home country. It will get good reviews here probably but it still wont sell as well as Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean or pretty much any other JRPG series does in North America.DSgamer64

Because those games were made by proven JRPG developers, not to mention they are well made games with fantastic art direct (aside from Dragon Quest 8 which looks cartoony, just like BD), if JRPG's dont sell well in Japan, it doesnt mean the games are necessarily bad, it just means that they arent good enough for the audience that the games are supposed to target. BD could be fun, but the game looks bland in terms of art, basically a more improved version of Dragon Quest 8 just not as bright and vibrant colour wise.

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]The only guys in this thread defending this game are Yoshi and Gannon. Gee, I wonder where their alligience lies?Ganon_919

I defend it because you made a lame attempt at dismissing the games I listed as competition for GTA 4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Halo 3.

Brawl will outsell Halo 3 and GTA IV (on ONE console).

Quote me on it if you must...

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]The Wii is stomping the 360. I would guess nothing can stop the Wii, as it will soon take the lead by all estimates. It appeals more to everyday people, whereas the 360/PS3 simply don't. rhaigun

Regardless, the Wii is killing in retail. While those games will sell very well, it won't impact future or present Wii sales, this is just reality.

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]The only guys in this thread defending this game are Yoshi and Gannon. Gee, I wonder where their alligience lies?rhaigun

I defend it because you made a lame attempt at dismissing the games I listed as competition for GTA 4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Halo 3.

Brawl will outsell Halo 3 and GTA IV (on ONE console).

Quote me on it if you must...

It DID outsell Halo, but not the rest of them.

It's online now
It has Japan behind it (unlike Melee)
360 doesn't have Japan behind it (much like Xbox)
Wii looks like it'll have the largest userbase this gen.

It's a safe bet, IMO

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.rhaigun

1. Who needs a story to fight? Fighting games were not made for well made storylines, just some "incentive" to fight, but frankly it doesn't matter.
2. The level desigs are very diverse in SSB games, I have nothing to say except levels are varied by terrain, hazards, fixation (moving levels or steady levels) and so on.
3. I have nothing to say about the characters, anyone who doesn't know Mario, Pikachu, Link, Bowser, Peach, etc, etc would be someone who's never heard of Nintendo or games in their life. Only minor new characters like Marth or Roy would be shockers, because they've never been in games over seas.
4. Perception

As for "allegiance" issues, what does that have to do with anything? "I know that I sound opinionated, maybe biased or quite poss'ly jaded" but I am not saying you can't have your own opinion either. I'm just stating mine, you state yours, voila!

Strong Contenders, IMO?

Halo 3

GTA IV

SSBB (especially with the online play, which Melee obviously lacked)

Super Mario Galaxy

1) I'm not sure about Prime 3's fate with Halo coming around.

2) Not sure if Blue Dragon will be big.

3) Brawl and Galaxy will probably outsell Bioshock.

4) Actually, while this may surprise you, Guitar Hero III could sell well. It's coming with online play, the last two games were pretty big, it's got bigger artists, etc. It probably won't be the top-seller, but it should sell.

Halo and GTA fans are not the same demographic of people who are buying Wii's hand over fist. These two games will help 360 sales spike for a bit, but really do nothing more... particualrly take anything away from the Wii which has blockbuster titles of its own and appeals to a much more diverse group of consumers.

Wishful thinking on the Lemmings part that this will stop the Wii. Not even close.

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Big Brain Academy, and Dragon Quest Swords may find a way.

Ganon_919

ROOOOFfFLLLLMFAOOOOOOOO!!!!

LOL if you think all of those games will sell well or anything.
and yes, Wii can battle this list, easily.nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]LOL if you think all of those games will sell well or anything.
and yes, Wii can battle this list, easily.yoshi_64

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

I already know who will quote me and what they will say :roll: but what the hell:

For $250, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Big Brain Academy, and Dragon Quest Swords may find a way.

JPOBS

ROOOOFfFLLLLMFAOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm going to call out that BBA does not get AAA. Also, I doubt Dragon Quest will be that great (could be wrong). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I remember seeing that you hold A to move forward? Does that mean that you can only follow one path? Just wondering... :|

[QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]And...I care why? The fact is, SSB is fun for a few weeks and then it just gets old. I even got suckered into buying Small Arms on 360 thinking it would be SSB but better. Because it has guns. Nope. The gameplay is just as simplistic and repetitive.yoshi_64

1. Who needs a story to fight? Fighting games were not made for well made storylines, just some "incentive" to fight, but frankly it doesn't matter.
2. The level desigs are very diverse in SSB games, I have nothing to say except levels are varied by terrain, hazards, fixation (moving levels or steady levels) and so on.
3. I have nothing to say about the characters, anyone who doesn't know Mario, Pikachu, Link, Bowser, Peach, etc, etc would be someone who's never heard of Nintendo or games in their life. Only minor new characters like Marth or Roy would be shockers, because they've never been in games over seas.
4. Perception

As for "allegiance" issues, what does that have to do with anything? "I know that I sound opinionated, maybe biased or quite poss'ly jaded" but I am not saying you can't have your own opinion either. I'm just stating mine, you state yours, voila!