Can We All Agree That FPS's Aren't Going Anywhere?

It's just one shooter after another. Same gamplay elements. Mirror's Edge and Borderlands were the last shooters that I thought actually impacted the genre in terms of gameplay. This thread will most likely be filled with Halo and Call of Duty addicts shooting me down, but at least I've gotten my opinion out.

Mirror's Edge wasn't a shooter.

But yeah, most games in the genre do little to innovate, but it's not like games have to do something completely new in order to be good.

Slashkice

That's not what I'm trying to say. Most FPS's I play feel really derivative nowadays.

Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. millerlight89

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Mirror's Edge wasn't a shooter.

But yeah, most games in the genre do little to innovate, but it's not like games have to do something completely new in order to be good.

ichc1000x

That's not what I'm trying to say. Most FPS's I play feel really derivative nowadays.

Well to be fair most of them are sequels.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Just because it has guns does not make it an FPS.

It's just one shooter after another. Same gamplay elements. Mirror's Edge and Borderlands were the last shooters that I thought actually impacted the genre in terms of gameplay. This thread will most likely be filled with Halo and Call of Duty addicts shooting me down, but at least I've gotten my opinion out.

ichc1000x

Yeah, FPSs are nothing. The graphics in some look nice, but thats all it has going for that genre.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Mirror's Edge wasn't a shooter.

But yeah, most games in the genre do little to innovate, but it's not like games have to do something completely new in order to be good.

That's not what I'm trying to say. Most FPS's I play feel really derivative nowadays.

Well to be fair most of them are sequels.

I thought this was established back when Doom became popular...

Brink has elements similar to Mirrors Edge, but focuses more on violence. So first person freerunning is improving there.

DICE hasn't improved on Battlefield since Battlefield 2142, but there's not much news on BF3 yet.
GSC hasn't announced anything for STALKER 2 yet
Project Offset is in limbo.

So there's at least potential there, given the beginnings of what the first two did, and how ****ing awesome Offset looked.

So as of now, there's not really much going on in the improving on the FPS genre as a whole. I agree for now. :P

Is the new Dues Ex doing many news things?

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. millerlight89

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Let's look at this in-depth. First person camera view? Check. Guns that you shoot to kill people? Check. Hell, it could be a Platforming FPS for all I care. What I'm trying to say is that it can be classified as an FPS!

Couldn't disagree more. Games like Prey, Bioshock and The Darkness prove the genre is definitely going somewhere.

Brink has elements similar to Mirrors Edge, but focuses more on violence. So first person freerunning is improving there.

DICE hasn't improved on Battlefield since Battlefield 2142, but there's not much news on BF3 yet.
GSC hasn't announced anything for STALKER 2 yet
Project Offset is in limbo.

So there's at least potential there, given the beginnings of what the first two did, and how ****ing awesome Offset looked.

So as of now, there's not really much going on in the improving on the FPS genre as a whole. I agree for now. :P

Is the new Dues Ex doing many news things?

IcyToasters

I have hope for the future, don't get me wrong, but I'm extremely disappointed with the present. >:(

Mirror's Edge wasn't a shooter.

But yeah, most games in the genre do little to innovate, but it's not like games have to do something completely new in order to be good.

Slashkice

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Couldn't disagree more. Games like Prey, Bioshock and The Darkness prove the genre is definitely going somewhere.

DarkLink77

Those were made 3 years ago.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Let's look at this in-depth. First person camera view? Check. Guns that you shoot to kill people? Check. Hell, it could be a Platforming FPS for all I care. What I'm trying to say is that it can be classified as an FPS!

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

ichc1000x

Let's look at this in-depth. First person camera view? Check. Guns that you shoot to kill people? Check. Hell, it could be a Platforming FPS for all I care. What I'm trying to say is that it can be classified as an FPS!

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

ichc1000x

Let's look at this in-depth. First person camera view? Check. Guns that you shoot to kill people? Check. Hell, it could be a Platforming FPS for all I care. What I'm trying to say is that it can be classified as an FPS!

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Couldn't disagree more. Games like Prey, Bioshock and The Darkness prove the genre is definitely going somewhere.

marcogamer07

Those were made 3 years ago.

That's partially true, although in all honesty like someone else said not like they need to completely change the genre to be good. Additionally, most other genres stay pretty much the same too. RTS's have been strikingly similar for a long time, RPGs often follow the same core elements time and time again and as for platformers its often the same type of gameplay over and over...so Idk what genre is really constantly innovating and expanding. Every now and again you'll find a new game that really mixes things up for said genre, but then all the other games go back to the normal tried and true formula for that type of game.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

no it's a first person action-adventure video game.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Couldn't disagree more. Games like Prey, Bioshock and The Darkness prove the genre is definitely going somewhere.

DarkLink77

Those were made 3 years ago.

It's not 2007 anymore. If similar games were made in 2010 today, they would get **** from everybody calling them rip-offs.

True, very few shooters do much to innovate. There are some innovative shooters out there though, like the Darkness and Bioshock. But these are very rare.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

and again i tell you, like many people have stated, Mirror's Edge is not an FPS

edit: you've clearly never played m.e

if you compare shooters to other genre's like rpgs or action games you can see how much shooters have actually changed compared to them. Look at something like dragon age the game got 9.5/10 on gamespot yet if you look at some of bioware's earlier games like kotor they did nothing to enhance the genre. Or bayonetta/heavenly sword. their the exact same concept people have had for years. I'm not saying these genre's are worse I'm just saying a shooter constantly has to improve everything and add tons of features. dkdk999

I totally agree with this. Its not like all the other genres besides the FPS are constantly changing and evolving introducing new idea after new idea with all sorts of fresh concepts. Most games for all genres stick to the same tried and true formula.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Pont is, the guns play a very minor role in Mirrors Edge, you don't even have to use them. So it's not an FPS. In Halo however, they are very crutial.

Can't say I agree at all

Well Crysis and Deus Ex look really good for innovation but yeah you are right.

There will be more unique ones, but the genre will be flooded with many generic ones.

Can't speak for any other franchise, despite things like perks, there's a long shot you're going to innovate the first-person-shooting part of FPS, but to the guy who said Red Orchestra 2, you're winner.

RO 1 doesn't have perks or unlockables. It gives you all the weapons and more, and even if you get the "best" weapon in the game, it doesn't mean you're going to be very effective with it. It's up to you to practice with it. By this I don't mean get a better reaction speed, but there's a lot of thinking going on in RO. Say you jump in a Tiger tank (Panther is better, but the point stands) and you think, HEY I'M A BADASS! That's not going to mean anything if you don't know where to shoot. It's not like Battlefield where all you have to do is put enough firepower into a vehicle and hope it blows up. In RO you need to know where each individual tank's ammo storage is, coordinate with your driver, then dial in the range on your sights and hope the shell penetrates on contact instead of deflecting.

Red Orchestra is definitely moving the genre >_>.

Can't speak for any other franchise, despite things like perks, there's a long shot you're going to innovate the first-person-shooting part of FPS, but to the guy who said Red Orchestra 2, you're winner.

RO 1 doesn't have perks or unlockables. It gives you all the weapons and more, and even if you get the "best" weapon in the game, it doesn't mean you're going to be very effective with it. It's up to you to practice with it. By this I don't mean get a better reaction speed, but there's a lot of thinking going on in RO. Say you jump in a Tiger tank (Panther is better, but the point stands) and you think, HEY I'M A BADASS! That's not going to mean anything if you don't know where to shoot. It's not like Battlefield where all you have to do is put enough firepower into a vehicle and hope it blows up. In RO you need to know where each individual tank's ammo storage is, coordinate with your driver, then dial in the range on your sights and hope the shell penetrates on contact instead of deflecting.

Red Orchestra is definitely moving the genre >_>.

Sharpie125

Red Orchestra makes me happy.

I can't wait for the 2nd one to come out.

DMC4 has guns.

DMC4 is in third person.

therefore DMC4 is a third person shooter like GoW 1 & 2.

You can also shoot arrows in first person view in Zelda... so Zelda is also an FPS beacuse you shoot in first person.

If a new Zelda is coming out, then I don`t see what you mean by FPS games not going anywhere.

DMC4 has guns.

DMC4 is in third person.

therefore DMC4 is a third person shooter like GoW 1 & 2.

alfredooo

Well there Bulletstorm, Bioshock Infinite,and Brink.

its a fps you really can't do anything different,hopefully brink will change that

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

DMC4 has guns.

DMC4 is in third person.

therefore DMC4 is a third person shooter like GoW 1 & 2.

mitu123

thank you, kind sir

Can't agree with that at all.

i think there's some innovation going on, it's just that there's an equal amount of games that fall back on basics -games like bioshock, crysis +raven's last 2 offer more dynamic gameplay, customization --there's also more nonlinear design with the implementation of open + semi-open worlds (far cry 2, s.t.a.l.k.e.r., wolfenstein, frontlines). metro 2033 also fits in there cos of its deep gameworld. upcoming: rage is fps+racing+rpg, brink has crossplayer campaign and SMART. bulletstorm- dynamic combat.

They are too going somewhere! They're skipping and singing all the way to the bank for a quick cash-in.