Can We All Agree That FPS's Aren't Going Anywhere?

It's just one shooter after another. Same gamplay elements. Mirror's Edge and Borderlands were the last shooters that I thought actually impacted the genre in terms of gameplay. This thread will most likely be filled with Halo and Call of Duty addicts shooting me down, but at least I've gotten my opinion out.

ichc1000x

And they didn't recieve anywhere near the critical acclaim that other FPS games like Halo and COD get. Pretty sad really.

[QUOTE="Lisandro_v22"]In fact they do. A persons that discovers a country that has already been discovered is called an idiot. It applies for music, movies and books I don't see how it can't apply for videogames.Slashkice

I don't see what this has to do with my post. If X developer touts a new feature already made by developer Y, then go ahead and laugh at them. It has nothing to do with quality though.

every other genre is just as stale.

every other genre is just as stale.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

every other genre is just as stale.

gamebreakerz__

Not all FPS's are rehashes...just most and this is true with all the other genres. RPG's use many of the same core elements over and over. Dragon Age, which is a great RPG is essentially representative of the WRPG genre as a whole. Many RTS's use the same core gameplay some just execute it better than others. Platformers are often extremely similar to one another...most genres are stale...every now and again there is a game released in a said genre though that is unique from the rest, but all the other games ignore it and keep on doing what is successful.

where is it suppose to go?

Left 4 Dead and Crysis did something unique. Alas the genre really has stagnated here and there.skrat_01

its really the same old song and dance, they are just adding new features.

its like every time gillette slaps a new blade on their razor.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

every other genre is just as stale.

gamebreakerz__

fighters, rpgs, racing games, puzzle games, platformers...all genres?

Face it most of the types of gameplay elements these games used are set in stone and often reused and rehashed, often times the stories are exactly the same way.

There hasn't been a legitimate upgrade or new type of gameplay in a long long time inside the main genres of rpg, racing, fps, fighters, puzzle games, platformers.

They all use the same basic elements, the same extended elements, and often the same story concepts when they have story.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Left 4 Dead and Crysis did something unique. Alas the genre really has stagnated here and there.markinthedark

its really the same old song and dance, they are just adding new features.

its like every time gillette slaps a new blade on their razor.

Most everything is derivative. It's been that way since videogames started. Defender clones. Maze collect-a-thons. Platformers. Fighters. Shooters. They've all had their heyday. Today is no different.

Only shooters that interest me at the moment are...

Brink, Battlefield 3, Natural Selection 2, and Red Orchestra: H.o.S.


Sadly, simplicity is what wins the shooter market. Something that requires thought will never sell as well as Halo or CoD.

Sadly, simplicity is what wins the shooter market. Something that requires thought will never sell as well as Halo or CoD.

Mystic-G

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what happens in a shooting game is that you have a gun and you shoot someone with it.

I would think the FPS category revolves mainly around shooting. If you want to think like a general play a turn based RPG or something?

Depends. In terms of CoD and military shooters in general...it hasn't been going anywhere for a long time.

No. If you know where to look, there's plenty of games to be found out there that are at least progressive. Stalker, ArmA II, Crysis, Bioshock (especially 2) are just some examples of this generation.

Oh, and Mirror's Edge wasn't a shooter.

For me, Red Orchestra 2 is the next thing im looking forward to from the FPS genreIantheone

Only if we can also agree that the sun will rise tomorrow and that we'll all eventually die. :roll:Hahadouken

I can't speak for the sun but I don't play on going anywhere. FPS will evolve!

Left 4 Dead, Crysis, STALKER, Borderlands, Cryostasis, Bulletstorm, Rage all stand out nicely, or aim for a more refreshing feel.

On top of that we had Portal and Mirror's Edge which took the first person perspective and did something different with it. On top of that we had games that stick out like Team Fortress 2, Metro2033, Bioshock(the original at least), The Darkness that stand out for their own reasons.

So it's a nice compliment to the more "standard" shooters that are still fun to play. Halo: Reach, Killzone 2(and I expect the sequel) were fun multiplayer games, and I had fun with Modern Warfare 1. It's a bit too heavy on instant gratification this gen than actual depth, but their are some change of pace games in the genre. It's a matter of looking. Oh and ArmA 2.

I agree its the genre that has gotten the most stale, but whatever.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Left 4 Dead and Crysis did something unique. Alas the genre really has stagnated here and there.skrat_01

its really the same old song and dance, they are just adding new features.

its like every time gillette slaps a new blade on their razor.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

its really the same old song and dance, they are just adding new features.

its like every time gillette slaps a new blade on their razor.

jg4xchamp

Shooters are killing the gaming industry. Atleast the non-nintendo gaming industry.

Left 4 Dead, Crysis, STALKER, Rage, Borderlands, Cryostatis, Bulletstorm, The Darkness and Arma 2 didnt exactly feel generic. But I can see where you are going. In addition I really like where the upcoming game EYE is going :).

But lets be honest here, genre's only really stagnate as long as we let them too. If we buy buy games like Halo and CoD we tell developers that we want games that play like that. However if we let in our say and don't buy the next generic *insert genre* we send a message to developers that we don't want the formulaic game anymore, in which the game developers are forced to adapt and find a new gameplay structure. Besides if you can come up with an awesome idea, why don't you make a mod, or develop the game as an indie dev.

Long Story Short

1. Don't buy generic/formulaic game (assuming other people dont as well)
2. Dev doesn't get much money
3. Assuming you dont buy any other formulaic games and neither do a lot of other people, devs will see that these formulas dont work anymore
4. Dev's will be forced to change or go bankrupt
5. ?????
6. Profit

Vote with your money people, it is by far the most powerful vote you have, and the one we have had for the longest.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

every other genre is just as stale.

gamebreakerz__

jrpg is spinning its wheels the same way as fps for the most part; both genres every now and then get an interesting game with a few new ideas but on the whole, its mostly just a lot of reskinning. you get a gem every now and then like knights in the nightmare or resonance of fate. but most of the games arent just derivitave, theyre also of poor quality.

in terms of interesting shooters, shattered horizon, prey and stalker have all done some fairly different things in recent memory. but most people didnt play them.

but it makes it seem like most genres are going nowhere if you discount the games that are doing anything different.

I think pure FPSs have little room to manouver but when other genre elements get implemented well enough (a la Borderlands and coming up Brink/RAGE) there's still fight left in the genre. I mean you can argue a case for a lot of genres not going anywhere, but they still sell by the bucketload and keep fans happy so who cares?

they will sadly always be here. Because thats all western gamers want to play . I am getting so sick of these games. lot of them even run on the same damn engine .

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

yes but it isnt about using guns. u can tell because u get achivment/trophy for not using a gun.

but it makes it seem like most genres are going nowhere if you discount the games that are doing anything different.

CaptainHarley

Yah, it seems in this thread the only games people can think of when it comes to FPS games is Halo, whatever EA puts out, or Halo.

There's been plenty of FPS games such as Crysis, or STALKER, or Red Orchestra that don't play like those games, but I'm willing to bet a very dominant majority of this forum has never played them.

I guess we gotta wait till Half Life 3 comes out for a change in the genre.

fighters, rpgs, racing games, puzzle games, platformers...all genres?

Face it most of the types of gameplay elements these games used are set in stone and often reused and rehashed, often times the stories are exactly the same way.

There hasn't been a legitimate upgrade or new type of gameplay in a long long time inside the main genres of rpg, racing, fps, fighters, puzzle games, platformers.

They all use the same basic elements, the same extended elements, and often the same story concepts when they have story.

WilliamRLBaker

platformers/puzzles - and yet it moves. moving the entire map in whichever direction you choose in order to overcome the obstacles, but at the same time, creating new obstacles/pitfalls etc.

rpg - in demon's souls you can literally take over the boss and fight other players online 1v1, 1v2, 1v3, or so on. trying to think hard but I can't really recall a game where you play as a legitimate boss in the game (to be exact the 3th dungeon 3rd boss - old monk). there's other games with PvP, but I'm not sure if there's one where you actually play as the boss integrated into the other player's game.

don't really play fighters or racing games so can't really comment on that.

and with the TC, I agree but to some extent every game copies another. It's just way more obvious in the FPS genre. The controls can't be as complex as PC fpses, and only very few control schemes work on a controller. I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to come up with some new ideas in the genre, but tbh, I was never really a huge fan of console FPSes. They feel pretty watered down in comparison to PC FPSes imo.

[QUOTE="CaptainHarley"]

but it makes it seem like most genres are going nowhere if you discount the games that are doing anything different.

Raymundo_Manuel

Yah, it seems in this thread the only games people can think of when it comes to FPS games is Halo, whatever EA puts out, or Halo.

There's been plenty of FPS games such as Crysis, or STALKER, or Red Orchestra that don't play like those games, but I'm willing to bet a very dominant majority of this forum has never played them.

seeing as you must have experience with those games, you should enlighten us on what new features they bring to the genre. maybe shed some light on the system wars forum here.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Nope I can not agree on that. By the way Mirror's Edge is not a FPS. ichc1000x

It's in first-person, and you kill people with guns....sounds like an FPS to me.

Shooting isn't the central element of the game. It's barely even relevant seeing as you can go through the game without firing a single gun. It's a platformer with a first person perspective, and anyone who has played it knows that.

seeing as you must have experience with those games, you should enlighten us on what new features they bring to the genre. maybe shed some light on the system wars forum here.Some-Mist

STALKER relies heavily on non-scripted events generated by the fantastic A Life engine, which makes for a unique gaming experience. It combinessemi-realistic ballistics, great AI (both in and outside of combat), unrivalled atmosphere and environments and a whole lot of other concepts. It's the direct opposite of scripted, cinematic shooters such as CoD, and anyone who says modern shooters are nothing more than CoD clones will be proven horribly wrong by STALKER, which is the mirror opposite of the CoD and Halo type of shooters in nearly every way. It also adds survival horror elements and RPG elements to what already is the greatest FPS this generation in itself.

Crysis is great because it is one of the only sandbox games to step away from the'explore world, go on mission' concept. Every level has a beginning and an end, but apart from a few mandatory objectives, the player has total freedom of action in how he handles each combat situation, aided by some powers such as invisibility, extra strength, armour, etc. It's even possible to go through an entire level (which is huge and can last up to 90 minutes) without being spotted even once. It's the best super soldier experience available and miles ahead of nearly everything out there.

That's it in a nutshell. If you want to get a better idea, read my user reviews for the respective games.

where is it suppose to go?

Dead-Memories

Seriously, everyone blabbers on about FPS needing to "evolve" or go somewhere. What do you guys think they should add? You all seem to want some massive new gameplay element thrown into the mix. So what is it?

Are u delusional? Black Ops is adding wager matches which is probably the most inventive thing. EVER. Bioshock was crud, it was half life underwater.Call of Duty has dedicated, non laggy, servers with a caring, honest fan base. You all need to take a break from reach, and realize call of duty ias a new, fun experience everyday. And Left 4Dead sucks because it has no iron sights, I mean come on, Valve is a mess. Sure it was a team game, but Bad company did that first. And Bad Company is a copy of Call of Duty with less shooting and more "tactics" because the weak servers can't handle crap.

Bioshock was crud, it was half life underwater.rickybigboy83

Really?

It's just one shooter after another. Same gamplay elements. Mirror's Edge and Borderlands were the last shooters that I thought actually impacted the genre in terms of gameplay. This thread will most likely be filled with Halo and Call of Duty addicts shooting me down, but at least I've gotten my opinion out.

ichc1000x

Are u delusional? Black Ops is adding wager matches which is probably the most inventive thing. EVER. Bioshock was crud, it was half life underwater.Call of Duty has dedicated, non laggy, servers with a caring, honest fan base. You all need to take a break from reach, and realize call of duty ias a new, fun experience everyday. And Left 4Dead sucks because it has no iron sights, I mean come on, Valve is a mess. Sure it was a team game, but Bad company did that first. And Bad Company is a copy of Call of Duty with less shooting and more "tactics" because the weak servers can't handle crap.

rickybigboy83

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]seeing as you must have experience with those games, you should enlighten us on what new features they bring to the genre. maybe shed some light on the system wars forum here.DraugenCP

STALKER relies heavily on non-scripted events generated by the fantastic A Life engine, which makes for a unique gaming experience. It combinessemi-realistic ballistics, great AI (both in and outside of combat), unrivalled atmosphere and environments and a whole lot of other concepts. It's the direct opposite of scripted, cinematic shooters such as CoD, and anyone who says modern shooters are nothing more than CoD clones will be proven horribly wrong by STALKER, which is the mirror opposite of the CoD and Halo type of shooters in nearly every way. It also adds survival horror elements and RPG elements to what already is the greatest FPS this generation in itself.

Crysis is great because it is one of the only sandbox games to step away from the'explore world, go on mission' concept. Every level has a beginning and an end, but apart from a few mandatory objectives, the player has total freedom of action in how he handles each combat situation, aided by some powers such as invisibility, extra strength, armour, etc. It's even possible to go through an entire level (which is huge and can last up to 90 minutes) without being spotted even once. It's the best super soldier experience available and miles ahead of nearly everything out there.

That's it in a nutshell. If you want to get a better idea, read my user reviews for the respective games.

fair enough. I've really been meaning to check out the stalker series. you can almost argue that crysis does the same thing as MGS in terms of having many options/paths/freedom in how you choose to complete the mission. yes, I know MGS isn't open world, but the concept is very similar if you ask me.

Mirrors Edge was a shooter? :?Funconsole

[QUOTE="rickybigboy83"]Bioshock was crud, it was half life underwater.Stevo_the_gamer

Really?

I wouldn't say it's an underwater hl2, but it's definitely crud. okay, if you look past the clunky gameplay and focus mainly on the environments it isn't THAT bad, but it definitely recieved the alan wake treatment in terms of how advanced the 'ai' was supposed to be and how the decision making was supposed to heavily affect the story. 3 endings, and to achieve those, it all has to do with the sisters..not really too complex if you ask me.

I remember how pumped I got after seeing how complex the ai/decision making concepts were when ken levine was boasting how they would be revolutionary in a hands-on video. my experience was nothing like that at all.

I honestly don't care if you thought Bioshock was bad Some-Mist -- you're more than welcomed too, but saying it's "Half-Life Underwater" ... what is this ... I don't even...Stevo_the_gamer

I think you should reread my post. and I don't care if you don't care about my opinion. It's still going to be stated.