Can we all finally admit that the PSP is a failure.......

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="SMR-Venom"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="RogueGoose"]

Kingdom Hearts:Birth By Sleep, Final Fantasy Dissidia... There both 3rd party and there bound to be amazing...

Rahnyc4

You want a list, here you go.

Secret Agent Clank

Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep

Gran Turismo 4 Prologue

EchoChrome

Pilot Academy

Final Fantasy Dissidia

Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2

Devil May Cry Series (does this still exsist? havent heard from it since 2006)

Valhalla Knights 2

Fired Up

Ape Escape Academy 2

You want more? Go here

http://psp.ign.com/index/release.html

Now if you say that those games will be bad, that is pure preferance and since these haven't come out, you cant really judge them.

That should last very well. Its not like I will buy all of those anyway I have games on other systems to buy and I dont have that much money to spend on all those PSP games anyway. Would you honestly buy that many games for one system in 6 months (nearly 2 games per month)? If you can, then lucky you, but not everyone can throw cash out of their wallet :|

You just dont want to pick a PSP up because you just like to bash it, plain and simple :| There are MANY more games that have been released on the PSP that should be justification enough of buying one. How you give the PSP absolutely no cradit is astonishing, but anything that comes from a fanboy is astonishing, dont you agree?

[QUOTE="dragonpuppy"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]If the PSP was competing against GBA version 2 (instead of an innovative handheld with touch screen), then the PSP would dominate for sure.Tragic_Kingdom7

I highly doubt that.

Nintendo understands what makes handhelds tick. I believe they would beat Sony in any context.

DS w/o touch screen = Wii w/o Wiimote = Gamecube vs. PSP = PS2 lite

Really, when I put it like that, which do you think would sell more? I got a hint. Look at last gen consoles. DS would be nowhere without the innovation that came with the touch screen. It's a good thing that Nintendo step up and created something new instead of rehashing the same boring concepts over again. I hope Sony learns something from Nintendo and does something innovative for the PSP2 or we're gonna see DS-style dominance x10 next handheld gen.

Sony won't do anything innovative. They'll just load it with new multi-media features.

I really don't understand how the DS would have been a failure without the touchscreen. Have they ever made a handheld that wasn't successful? I'm not saying its impossible, but unlikely.

The reason they have been so successful is that they never had any real competition. Look at last console generation. The PS2 didn't really have any competition either. The Xbox was new on the block and the gamecube had no third party support. The PS2 basically ran amuck all of last gen. Come this gen, we got an Xbox that has proven itself to be good value and a revolution in gaming called the Wii. Where's the PS3? The competition caught up to them and they weren't ready for the change. The same can happen to the handhelds. If Nintendo doesn't prove that they deserve to be at the head of the pack, then they will fall to the back.

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]yeah, well i see nothing thats worth picking the handheld up for. most people pick it up for its hacking abilities anyway, which is why the psp is where its at now.
thrones

So just because out of all the great PSP games you don't want to buy means no one buys it for the games? Sony is still making money off the handheld so I can hardly see this as a failure, personal opinions are fail.

Major sucess:We are the DS and swiming in vats of cash

Sucess: We made money allright

Failure: We are loosing money

Major Failure: We are bankrupt.

...So...ya I say Sony PSP is a succes it's sure as hell no DS but it did what I came to do. and please Sony hyped the PSP to be the best handheld....well duh. Seriously would the PSP have sold well if they came out saying "Ya we are not going to beat the DS but we will try hard to keep going!"

Secret Agent Clank

I played R&C size matters...the controls were horrible.

No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.shadowcat2576

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Rahnyc4

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.humber_matus

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Rahnyc4

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

nope the xbox didnt have better games on gamespot ... just liek the Ds doesnt have better games on gamespot too.

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.humber_matus

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

nope the xbox didnt have better games on gamespot ... just liek the Ds doesnt have better games on gamespot too.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Rahnyc4

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

nope the xbox didnt have better games on gamespot ... just liek the Ds doesnt have better games on gamespot too.

do some reasearch.

... and if you say that psp has no upcomming games ... woudltn that make the wii a failiure too?

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.humber_matus

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

nope the xbox didnt have better games on gamespot ... just liek the Ds doesnt have better games on gamespot too.

do some reasearch.

... and if you say that psp has no upcomming games ... woudltn that make the wii a failiure too?

How would that make the Wii a failure? It has a future.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Fick1122

better games than the DS is a failiure indeed ...

nope the xbox didnt have better games on gamespot ... just liek the Ds doesnt have better games on gamespot too.

do some reasearch.

... and if you say that psp has no upcomming games ... woudltn that make the wii a failiure too?

How would that make the Wii a failure? It has a future.

if the wii has future ... than so does psp.

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Rahnyc4

do some reasearch.

... and if you say that psp has no upcomming games ... woudltn that make the wii a failiure too?

You can argue quality over quantity all you like, but quantity leads to variety leading to more potential game purchases. I firmly believe that one of the reasons he Nintendo has firmly held onto the handheld marketis that they always have the most games.

[shadowcat2576

do some reasearch.

... and if you say that psp has no upcomming games ... woudltn that make the wii a failiure too?

You can argue quality over quantity all you like, but quantity leads to variety leading to more potential game purchases. I firmly believe that one of the reasons he Nintendo has firmly held onto the handheld marketis that they always have the most games.

I'm not calling the wii a failiure ... i just dont understand the thinking behind this thread ...

Umm, alot of revisionist history being done in this thread. A whole lot.

2005, from the reveal of the PSP and DS leading up to the launches of both, Sony was speaking about dominanting this new arena, and taking the handheld from the ghetto to the penthouse.

Sony talked down the DS and Nintendos years of handheld dominance as a thing of the past. Equated the DS to a pokemon player. People on this, and many other forums were calling it the end of the Nintendo era of handhelds, since the great and powerful Sony was trying their hand.

Blogs galore sprung up, comparing the systems, and many championed the PSP as the foregone winner.

Nintendo themselves were sprouting damage control, ala third pillar, and the gameboy won't be forgotten etc.

3 years, and a slew of titles that had massive sales later, DS has fed the PSP pavement, in hardware and software sales, and now people are spinning it as a success?

DS dominates the psp in hardware sales, and in software sales the PSP is on life support. See the announcements of games, in comparison to the plethora of DS exclusives.

PSP failed bigtime, in the sense of what Sony, and the internet at large predicted as the outcome, and no amount of moving the goalpost will change that fact.

Sony moved into the handheld arena supposing that their console dominance would be replicated portably, and that didn't happen.

By that measure, which was the entire point of them entering, they've failed. You don't meet the main objective, you fail.

And for the record, the gamecube did fail. It failed bigtime against what N64 did, and it failed against what Yamauchi(sp?) predicted. Hence, gamecube was a failure.

They profited from day one on this failure, but since it didn't do what it was supposed to do, it failed. Just because it failed, doesn't mean it didn't have some of the best games last generation, and just because the psp failed, doesn't mean it doesn't, and won't have great games either.

Both still failed, however.

And for those saying the Wii and DS have heaps of shovelware alongside a few great games, look at how many PS1 and PS2 games were actually released, and think of the 20-30 games people remember fondly.

PS2 had around 2000 games released for it, yet the best games were far and few between.

Any hardware platform that is winning, sees the most releases, which means tons of shovelware. PS1 had it, PS2 had it, SNES had it and NES had it.

Wii and DS are no different, so stop trying to paint them as such.

PSP failed, Gamecube failed, Xbox didn't fail, PS2 succeeded, PS1 succeeded, N64 failed, DS succeeded, Wii Succeeded, and it remains to be seen if 360 fails or not. PS3 as of now, has failed.

allrite then ... i'll provide a list ... if your provide a list of 'list of exclusive wii games thats coming out in the future.'humber_matus

I love the logic in this thread... "I don't like something thus it is a failure." Great, you guys don't like the PSP, I am sure the 20 some-odd million people who own one might disagree with you.

Oh yes and any game list for the PSP that is missing The Dracula X Chronicles is incomplete.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I love the logic in this thread... "I don't like something thus it is a failure." Great, you guys don't like the PSP, I am sure the 20 some-odd million people who own one might disagree with you.

Oh yes and any game list for the PSP that is missing The Dracula X Chronicles is incomplete.Rahnyc4

I'm sure some games will come along I guess..*shrug*

For now I'm still enjoying it more than the DS what with Crisis Core, GTA and Chains of Olympus. And don't say 'I can play them on consoles'

I can't play consoles on a bus, can I? :|

If the PSP was pulled off of the shelves right now it wouldn't even be a failure. They gave Nintendo a swift kick in the ass, and the DS wouldn't have done as well without it. Sony just proved that the handheld market is penetrable. It doesn't compare to the success of the DS, but it really gave it a run for its money the first year or two. I can't wait to see what both companies have in store, Sony's learned a lot from the PSP I'm sure.-Wheels-

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I love the logic in this thread... "I don't like something thus it is a failure." Great, you guys don't like the PSP, I am sure the 20 some-odd million people who own one might disagree with you.

Oh yes and any game list for the PSP that is missing The Dracula X Chronicles is incomplete.thrones

I'm sure some games will come along I guess..*shrug*

For now I'm still enjoying it more than the DS what with Crisis Core, GTA and Chains of Olympus. And don't say 'I can play them on consoles'

I can't play consoles on a bus, can I? :|

I don't get the logic in this thread.

Just because a system fails, doesn't mean plenty of enjoyment can't be had from it.

Saturn failed, and so did the Dreamcast, but i know plenty of people who cherish those old boxes. Doesn't make either of them any less of a failure tho.

PSP didn't meet the objective that Sony made for it, so it fails, period. It profits them, sure, but it failed in the scope of what it was made to do.

There is nothing to discuss on the matter.

PSP is a failure.

[QUOTE="anonymoussum1"][QUOTE="shaggygrosser"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It only has bad software sales because so many people pirate games on it. I bet if all those people who pirate games actually bought them instead then the sales would at least double if not treble.SER69

Sales need more BASS, not treble :roll:

Actually, they need more distortion.

... lets not forget a little reverb and flanger too....

And some phaser and tremmelo.

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"]No one has really address the main issue. The PSP's game relaeses are the lowest of all the current systems, and much more in line with the PS2 which is on the decline of its lifecycle. You can throw around AAA-AA titles all you like, but the simple fact is the more games a system has, the more likely you will find a game that appeals to you.Rahnyc4

A list was provided already, which you dismissed as not "robust" enough for your exacting standards, despite the inclusion of two Square Enix exclusives, EchoChrome, a R&C spin off, and Gran Turismo 4 prologue. Those titles are after you excluded games that weren't "exclusive", despite the fact it's been explain numerous times (and in very small words so you MIGHT be able to understand) that for a great MANY people (owing to schedule or preference), the fact that the titles are portable is a great advantage. Which would make exclusivity moot for those buyers.

We get it. You don't like the PSP for... some reason. I'm curious what it did to you that it seems to have effected you on such a personal level. But the fact remains, you were given your list as requested, and dismissed it out of hand based on your own personal preference more than anything.

"yeah, well i see nothing thats worth picking the handheld up for." was what you said as I recall. That's your opinion. You can't really dress that up as fact, no matter how much you try to change the subject to piracy or battery life or whatever else. You have the list you requested, and find nothing on there that you like.

Fair enough. You're entitled to an opinion, just like the rest of us.

where talking about future titles for the psp here, young man. Rahnyc4

Its too easy to pirate games for it plain and simple.Ket87

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]where talking about future titles for the psp here, young man. foxhound_fox

um, im not saying it, the freaking media is saying it. when gaming sites like 1up.com podcasts and other gaming sites are saying the ds has better and more diverse games on it, im simply gonna agree with them, since theres proof of it. theres too many good games from the ds past, to say it has better games than the psp. you then have the future titles to also top it off.

again. comparing the psp sofware to the ds, is like comparing the n64 (psp being n64) list of software to the PSX (thats ps1 to the kiddies) the n64 still had a loyal following who believed it was better than the psx. i'll say its the same situation with the psp to the ds.

my point still though is that..... the PSP has no future. wheres all the games, wheres the announcement of new games? why arent western deleopers announcing new games for it, like they did back in 2005-2006? clear example of where the psp is heading in the future. the psp is becoming the portable gamecube, in that its basically recieving multi-platform games, rather than a lot of exclusive games. Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="Ket87"]Its too easy to pirate games for it plain and simple.foxhound_fox

Never heard of DS pirating ever being a problem. Plus PSP pirating doesn't require buying anything, if someone decided right now to start pirating PSP games they'd be up in running 10 minutes from now with an entire collection of games at their finger tips instantly. Way too easy.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Ket87"]Its too easy to pirate games for it plain and simple.Ket87

Never heard of DS pirating ever being a problem. Plus PSP pirating doesn't require buying anything, if someone decided right now to start pirating PSP games they'd be up in running 10 minutes from now with an entire collection of games at their finger tips instantly. Way too easy.

doesn't that mean that sony really doesn't care what happens to psp on the market?

Never heard of DS pirating ever being a problem. Plus PSP pirating doesn't require buying anything, if someone decided right now to start pirating PSP games they'd be up in running 10 minutes from now with an entire collection of games at their finger tips instantly. Way too easy. Ket87

[QUOTE="Ket87"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Ket87"]Its too easy to pirate games for it plain and simple._HAV0C_

Never heard of DS pirating ever being a problem. Plus PSP pirating doesn't require buying anything, if someone decided right now to start pirating PSP games they'd be up in running 10 minutes from now with an entire collection of games at their finger tips instantly. Way too easy.

doesn't that mean that sony really doesn't care what happens to psp on the market?

Yeah! Just like the recording industry doesn't care about music piracy! ... are you serious?

[QUOTE="-Wheels-"]If the PSP was pulled off of the shelves right now it wouldn't even be a failure. They gave Nintendo a swift kick in the ass, and the DS wouldn't have done as well without it. Sony just proved that the handheld market is penetrable. It doesn't compare to the success of the DS, but it really gave it a run for its money the first year or two. I can't wait to see what both companies have in store, Sony's learned a lot from the PSP I'm sure.Rahnyc4

If I don't recall, the first year the DS was being outsold by the PSP by a small margin. The games other than Mario 64 were extremely lackluster, close to what we are seeing with the Wii right now. Don't know why you have to start such an argument over this. I really don't think Nintendo would have tried as hard if the PSP wasn't hot on its heels, we might have not even seen the DS lite until later. It's called an opinion.

It is a flop, but that doesn't mean its bad.

It was just hyped the DS killer, but failed, so that is why it is a flop.

It is a flop, but that doesn't mean its bad.

It was just hyped the DS killer, but failed, so that is why it is a flop.

lettuceman44

you sure it failed??

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

It is a flop, but that doesn't mean its bad.

It was just hyped the DS killer, but failed, so that is why it is a flop.

_HAV0C_

you sure it failed??

Did it do what Sony said it would do, and take control of the handheld arena away from Nintendo?

Since it didn't, then yes it failed.

[QUOTE="_HAV0C_"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

It is a flop, but that doesn't mean its bad.

It was just hyped the DS killer, but failed, so that is why it is a flop.

Seraphimon

you sure it failed??

Did it do what Sony said it would do, and take control of the handheld arena away from Nintendo?

Since it didn't, then yes it failed.

yup, i mean it's really quite simple

mission failed for the PSP

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"]If the PSP was pulled off of the shelves right now it wouldn't even be a failure. They gave Nintendo a swift kick in the ass, and the DS wouldn't have done as well without it. Sony just proved that the handheld market is penetrable. It doesn't compare to the success of the DS, but it really gave it a run for its money the first year or two. I can't wait to see what both companies have in store, Sony's learned a lot from the PSP I'm sure.-Wheels-

If I don't recall, the first year the DS was being outsold by the PSP by a small margin. The games other than Mario 64 were extremely lackluster, close to what we are seeing with the Wii right now. Don't know why you have to start such an argument over this. I really don't think Nintendo would have tried as hard if the PSP wasn't hot on its heels, we might have not even seen the DS lite until later. It's called an opinion.

Its my portable media player that plays decent games. I was never interested in the ds. I like the psp, and i bought one, so in my opinion psp isn't a failure at all.8)newyorkgiant